Talk:BTS/Archive 4

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 March 2022

Please change BTS' image to this

File:20200225—BTS Global Press Conference for Map of the Soul.jpg

52-whalien (talk) 03:00, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. Trampbirth (talk) 03:18, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

I filed a deletion request because The Korea Times who uploaded the photo under a CC license doesn't seem to be the legitimate copyright holder. Chiya^ko92 09:22, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Profile picture needs changing.

Can you please change their profile picture.It has been there for a long time now.Can you please put a recent picture with them? BTSgf (talk) 17:15, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

@BTSgf: We'd need to have a recent free picture of them to change it out for. —C.Fred (talk) 17:18, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Okay.I just thought that it needed changing just for updating.That's okay. though. BTSgf (talk) 17:25, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

@BTSgf thoughts 204.152.81.187 (talk) 18:57, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Bts is not known as beyond the scene

But known as behind the scene but if what is am saying is wrong then correct me 197.184.180.18 (talk) 15:29, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

What you're saying is wrong. Trillfendi (talk) 16:08, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 31 March 2022

"change [BTS (Korean: 방탄소년단; RR: Bangtan Sonyeondan), also known as the Bangtan Boys, is a South Korean boy band that was formed in 2010 and debuted in 2013 under Big Hit Entertainment.[5] The septet—consisting of members Jin, Suga, J-Hope, RM, Jimin, V, and Jungkook—co-writes and co-produces much of their own output] to [BTS (Korean: 방탄소년단; RR: Bangtan Sonyeondan), also known as the Bangtan Boys, regarded as "Princes of Global Pop", is a South Korean boy band that was formed in 2010 and debuted in 2013 under Big Hit Entertainment.[5] The septet—consisting of members Jin, Suga, J-Hope, RM, Jimin, V, and Jungkook—co-writes and co-produces much of their own output]

source: https://time.com/collection/time100-companies-2022/6159410/hybe-bang-si-hyuk-bts-interview/ Jjkgclef (talk) 12:01, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 12:11, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Associated Acts

Currently the article only lists one artist, Steve Aoki, who has done two songs with BTS (in 2017 and 2018) but otherwise has zero involvement with the group. I'm not sure why he's listed specifically, especially when none of the other musical acts BTS has worked with more recently are listed here? Honestly, Adora comes to mind before anyone else given her heavy involvement in their albums (production and vocals), but also other artists they've worked with who are either personally close with BTS (Halsey, Coldplay) or artists who they have worked with multiple times (Ed Sheeran). I'd like to suggest either removing Steve Aoki or adding in other artists to that section. Thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luxatron (talk • contribs) 01:08, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

I agree, Template:Infobox_musical_artist#associated_acts guidelines say professional relationships that are significant to their career - collaborations with multiple occasions for one. This doesn't seem to be significant here.Evaders99 (talk) 03:55, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Aoki remixed a song, which isn't so important, and was featured on one song. Not a huge connection.

Producers should not be listed as associated acts. I don't see why Sheeran should be listed. Who is Adora? Not Halsey or Coldplay, because friendship isn't what the instructions talk about. Coldplay just did one collab song; same with Halsey.

Basically, BTS has no very strong connection with another artist. No associated acts. Binksternet (talk) 04:27, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Adora is a solo artist who previously was one of their long-term producers at BigHit. She's credited as a writer/composer/producer on at least 14 BTS tracks that I know of, and was a background vocalist on many of their songs. I also agree about Halsey/Sheeran/Coldplay not being listed - I just meant to point out that even they are more affiliated than Aoki was, so for him to be listed and no one else is odd. Luxatron (talk) 17:49, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

If any producer were to be listed Pdogg would be the most ideal. He's worked closely with them since their debut. But as stated by another editor no producers should be listed. Btspurplegalaxy 🗩 🖉 18:33, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 April 2022

change Six American Music Awards to Nine American Music Awards 103.208.69.10 (talk) 11:18, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:25, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 April 2022

BTS name is 'Bulletproof Boy Scouts, as they have experianced bullying and racsim that can reign down on teenagers and young adults like bullets. Thier Music isn't meant to be sad, although many people think it is, it is actually meant to be inspirational, for example thier song 'Let go' is meant to say however much you want to hold onto something, you will have to let go at somepoint. SomeBooks (talk) 11:19, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 11:43, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 April 2022

Make a mention of this not being the same as the original band BTS (built to spill), and provide a link to their wikipedia page early on in this article. 2600:8801:BE09:6600:6009:4513:F9EB:14B5 (talk) 15:05, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Template:About is placed at the top of the page and any reader looking for something different is referred to other uses that can be found at BTS (disambiguation). Btspurplegalaxy 🗩 🖉 16:53, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 April 2022 (2)

Please add the recently ended Permission to Dance On Stage Tour in the BTS section ‘Concert Tours’. Thank you! Monbmon (talk) 22:56, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:02, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 May 2022

Favorite Song: Spring Day 50.47.141.108 (talk) 23:56, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: One's favorite song is not relevant to Wikipedia. agtx 23:58, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 May 2022

Very minor typo in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BTS#Name section, link text "防彈|少年|團" should not have vertical bars? Can't make this edit as I don't have extended-confirmed access. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ephemeris (talk • contribs) 17:37, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

 Done - Ïvana (talk) 20:27, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

tv shows that BTS/specific members took place in

They took place in few tv shows like BTS Bon voyage sos- 1,2,3,4 aired on vlive since 5th of July 2016- 7th of January 2020. Bon Voyage is a reality show about members of South Korean boy band BTS (Bangtan Sonyeondan) travelling. It shows them in everyday situations that every traveller encounters and offers. BTS run aired on vlive since 1st of august 2015- present. In Run BTS Members play games or participate in a variety of activities. Hwarang: The Poet Warrior Youth, in this series V aka Kim Tae-hyung played role of Han-Sung. Royalhappinessforever (talk) 11:14, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Their group filmography is here, while Hwarang is listed in V's page. Chiya^ko92 13:13, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Some comments

In addition to the editing I'm doing, I note the following

References to books should have page numbers is available. ISBNs should be properly hyphenated.

ISBNs formatted. ErnestKrause (talk) 19:18, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

What can be done about books?--Wehwalt (talk) 20:39, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Consistency is important in capitalization, but the article says "certified Gold" but also "certified double platinum".--Wehwalt (talk) 17:05, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Silver, gold and platinum 'certifies' should all be in lower case. Current article version all in lower case now. ErnestKrause (talk) 19:36, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Though this is an old conversation, I would like to point out that the certification mentions in the "Career" section should be capitalized. It was stated in an old discussion some time ago on one of the Music-project related pages that certifications should be capitalized. I consistently did this for the Awards section (and the parts of the Career section regarding certs that I wrote), so it would be good if the rest of the article matched that. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 18:25, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

"In the narrative sequence, the album coincided with the "轉" or "turn" of the series," I don't understand what is meant by "in the narrative sequence". (What I'm really saying when I flag this sort of thing is that I'm hoping you'll edit it to clear things up).--Wehwalt (talk) 20:47, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Changing 'narrative sequence' to 'themes explored in the album relating to the pains and sorrows of separation...". ErnestKrause (talk) 23:10, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

" touching on the tortuous enlightenment of loving without being loved and encouragement to those without dreams.[123]" I get loving without being loved (I might add a "in return" after "loved" if the source supports it), but what is meant by the last five words?--Wehwalt (talk) 20:49, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Reworded and added missing word. Grammar should be correct now. ErnestKrause (talk) 23:11, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

"For the final stop of the North American leg, the group performed at Citi Field in Queens, marking the first time a Korean act performed at a US stadium" You've previously stated the band's played "arenas and domes". What is the difference between a dome and a stadium?--Wehwalt (talk) 21:00, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

'Arenas and domes' is used here as a generic description of large space venues which could seat over 10,000 persons; the wording could be equivalently changed to 'Arenas and stadiums'. With reference to the specific venue of Citi Field in Queens, its generic architectural description is to call it a stadium and not an dome. ErnestKrause (talk) 23:19, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

I would suggest eliminating the domes then since the best-known domes (say, Superdome, Tokyo Dome, SkyDome) are stadium-size spaces.

Change to "arenas and stadiums". ErnestKrause (talk) 14:04, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

"With this, they became the first Asian and first non-English speaking artists ever to headline and sell out Wembley Stadium." They were the first Asian group to headline Wembley, the first to sell it out, the first non-English speaking to headline Wembley, the first to sell it out? Unless all four are true, some rephrasing might be in order.--Wehwalt (talk) 13:54, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Shorten and simplify sentence. ErnestKrause (talk) 14:04, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

" BTS released their tenth Japanese single "Lights" on July 3.[171] Pre-orders for the double A-side single surpassed 1 million copies, breaking a 24-year-old record for foreign artists previously held only by Celine Dion with her 1995 single "To Love You More", and marked the first time a Korean artist achieved a million shipment for a single in Japan.[172][173] "Lights" went on to sell over 1 million copies and received Million certification by the RIAJ on August 8, the first time a male act achieved this since Masafumi Akikawa's August 2007 single, "A Thousand Winds"." A number of issues. What was the record held by Dion? Did she sell a million pre-orders? If so, I would simply say it. Second what is a "million shipment" Million certification should probably be lower cased, as should "Quadruple Million" later in the article. And lastly, if it pre-sold a million copies, then it's hardly worth saying that it went on to sell over 1 million copies.--Wehwalt (talk) 14:00, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Rewrite sentences on Lights release by adapting Commercial release section on Wikipedia Lights article for BTS. ErnestKrause (talk) 14:33, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

"In November, BTS became the first K-pop group to win Favorite Duo or Group – Pop/Rock at the 2019 American Music Awards and Favorite Social Artist consecutively (2018 and 2019)." Is K-pop intended to modify the Social Artist information? Are we saying that they are the first K-pop group to win consecutive Favorite Social Artist awards? The sentence may need some rephrasing for clarity.--Wehwalt (talk) 14:06, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Reworded for clarity. ErnestKrause (talk) 14:42, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

"In December, they attended both the 2019 Melon Music Awards and 2019 Mnet Asian Music Awards. The group became the first artists in the history of K-pop to receive all grand prizes from both ceremonies; getting four from each awards show" Similar to my Wembley quibble, are they the first artists to receive all prizes from each, or from both? In other words, had any K-pop group won all four at either?--Wehwalt (talk) 14:10, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

They became the first ever act to sweep all four Daesangs in MAMA history. ErnestKrause (talk) 14:55, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

It was both at MAMA and the Melon Music Awards that they won four Daesangs, amounting to a total of 8 Daesangs. Btspurplegalaxy 🗩 🖉 15:49, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

But they were the first K-pop act to win all eight?--Wehwalt (talk) 16:18, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

"BTS held another free online streaming event on their YouTube channel on April 17, this time titled Bang Bang Con 21," You haven't previously mentioned a free streaming event. You've mentioned other streams, but none clearly defined as free.--Wehwalt (talk) 16:18, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Dropping add-on adjective. ErnestKrause (talk) 16:42, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

Yes, they were the first K-pop group to achieve it. Btspurplegalaxy 🗩 🖉 16:48, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

OK. I don't see any major issues. I'd be happy to join as a co-nominator of a renewed FAC and do my best to get it through.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:56, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Addressing the oppose

As I see it, there are three things we should be doing:

First, increase the percentage of the article that is cited to journal articles and books, including those cited by Buidhe. Second, insert page numbers for chapters. Third, use sfn formatting for books and journal articles, so that they may be cited in full in the bibliography and in short form in the references.--Wehwalt (talk) 19:44, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Please look over my contributions and see how to deal with chapters like in the Soft Power book.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:25, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

First glance is that the electronic format books are not providing the page numbers for the chapters. Apparently, changing the font size for reading completely repaginates the electronic books and therefor there are no page numbers for the individual chapters in electronic books which I viewed. Reagrding Buidhe's previous list on the old FAC, she has already been informed on her Talk page that some of her cited books were only adulatory fan books for teenagers, and therefor not appropriate for an encyclopedia article about BTS. Regarding switching to sfn format, there are only a small handful of books in the article and about BTS, and they can all be converted to sfn. ErnestKrause (talk) 00:56, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

I've added some other scholarly sources for "Diplomacy and BTS" in my Sandbox which might be considered to stand in the BTS Influence section if its usable next to their UN diplomacy and visit to the White House commentary. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:29, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

It looks OK. The Nye books need page numbers. If you can't get page numbers get chapter numbers and quote the text as part of the reference that you are relying upon.--Wehwalt (talk) 18:00, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Page numbers added. Delineate and add short new subsection. Expand scholarly sources. ErnestKrause (talk) 22:18, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

"Anita Elberse and Lizzy Woodham (2020). "Big Hit Entertainment and Blockbuster Band BTS: K-Pop Goes Global". Harvard Business Review. June 8, 2020." This should be in the bibliography in sfn format, not as a source. The entry in the bibliography should include the page numbers for the article. In the text should be a short-form sfn citation, that is, similar to sfn|Elberse & Woodburn|pp=44–45 , with double curly brackets around it. So should Nye's 1990 article. I don't have these so I can't do it.--Wehwalt (talk) 20:33, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Discrepancy in "Mainstream breakthrough and commercial success" subhead

In the last pgraph, the first 2 sentences read:

"In September 2016, BTS released their second Japanese studio album Youth.[76] Wings combined the themes of youth presented in their previous "youth trilogy" with temptation and adversity.[77]"

Something is missing here. The refs for Youth aren't right either, because they're for the Japanese releases of INU and Run (that were eventually included on Youth), and are dated months before Youth was announced. The prose just jumps straight from Youth to Wings without even introducing the latter. Idk if the trim for the GAR was the cause, but whatever's missing needs to be restored for it to make sense chronogically. The release date for Wings, or which # album it is, isn't even mentioned either. I'll replace the now-irrelevant sources shortly, but the subheads are so large my browser freezes while editing, hence it's taking me a while to make all the fixes. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 07:47, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Copy edited to new version: "...It was followed one month later in October by their next studio album Wings which combined the themes of youth presented in their previous "youth trilogy" with temptation and adversity." ErnestKrause (talk) 19:05, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Capitalization of certifications

Btspurplegalaxy certifications are supposed to be capitalized. The Awards section already had this consistently done, and the prose of the Career section should have been unified to match this. I don't understand why you reverted my changes. There are FL/FA articles that capitalize them and the article about music certifications also captializes them. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 19:06, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

I only restored that version because I was trying to convert something into a sfn format but it had cite errors on it. You can place back whatever I reverted. Btspurplegalaxy 🗩 🖉 19:09, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

I corrected all and finished editing the page, so you can go back in now and retry fixing what you were attempting to before. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 19:30, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Caps are only used in Chart headings and tables. The preference for prose mention of "gold or silver or platinum" certification is to keep it in lower case, for example, as is done at Billboard. In the prose passages, it should be kept in lower case. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:44, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Needs to be done from the FAC

"[311][312][313][314][315] is too many sentences grouped together; move around to appropriate areas for avoiding this problem"

What's wanted is each genre of music that's cited should have one or more citations. I'm out of time for today.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:23, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

I've cleaned up the extra ref bracket; is there more rewrite needed? ErnestKrause (talk) 20:16, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

I'd like each genre of music supported by a ref, rather than have a string of four as at present.--Wehwalt (talk) 21:32, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

I've updated the genres based on what the sources said about each review. Allocate genres to each citation. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:11, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

OK, great. And you see how I've responded to Buidhe re reliability, with books and articles that use those sources as references. Can you deal with the ones that are in Korean characters? I'm not confident of my searching on those.--Wehwalt (talk) 15:20, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

I'm looking through the Korean sources to make sure it's reliable. Btspurplegalaxy 🗩 🖉 17:35, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

There are still two items from the source review undone. Both involve Naver. Could one of you take care of those? I've done everything else. And as the reviewer noted, after all the effort they put into this one, it would be good if we could review their new FAC, Late Registration.--Wehwalt (talk) 15:22, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

I'm fairly sure all 52 via Naver edits are now in place. I've also done the peer review for his article and answered at FAC as well. ErnestKrause (talk) 17:54, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 June 2022

correction of typo ("releaased" to "released") in first sentence of Mainstream breakthrough and commercial success section within 2014–2017: Mainstream and international breakthrough Magstripe (talk) 20:56, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Done, my fault on that.--Wehwalt (talk) 21:04, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 June 2022

On the sentence "The comic surpassed 15 million views globally in its first two days of availability and became the highest-viewed title ever launched by Webtoon.", change the target of the link to Webtoon (publisher). 221.148.188.81 (talk) 04:53, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

 Already done — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 05:00, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 July 2022

Change boy band to band or k-pop band as they are men 2607:FEA8:29DF:AB50:5585:613D:E93:B584 (talk) 11:10, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. MadGuy7023 (talk) 11:12, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Unreliable sources in article

• Skool Luv Affair and first concert tour: "It was supported by two singles: "Danger" and "War of Hormone" (Korean: 호르몬 전쟁; RR: Horeumon Jeonjaeng)..." - the 2nd ref attached to this sentence is from Soompi and should be replaced or removed, esp if the other two refs adequately cover the release of the singles.
• Map of the Soul: 7, "Dynamite" and Be: "The group won the Special International Music Award at the 62nd Japan Record Awards" - Arama Japan is not a reliable or quality source. It's the equivalent of Soompi/Allkpop/Koreaboo for Japanese-related entertainment news, their About section alone is an easy red flag. The awards and noms list article has an Oricon News ref that can replace it. Someone just needs to add a transl for the ref title. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 19:55, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

  I fixed the problem. Btspurplegalaxy 🗩 🖉 20:04, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Great! (just don't forget to mark the KH ref for the JRAs win as 'cite news', not 'cite web') -- Carlobunnie (talk) 23:41, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Got it! Btspurplegalaxy 🗩 🖉 23:53, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 10 August 2022

In discovery they have two more albums to be included! Butter(2021) Proof(2022) Meghana Maram (talk) 03:19, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 03:22, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Today FA, tomorrow ...

Congrats to all on getting this to FA. The next thing is to consider a date that we would like to see this be Today's Featured Article. A logical date would be the group's tenth anniversary in June. Then we would put it at WT:TFA/R and I will ask the other TFA coordinators not to schedule it before then. When we do get there, I wonder if the appearance could be publicized through social media to have a run at breaking the record for views of a TFA, which is presently 768,586 for Franz Kafka in 2013 (there was a google doodle the same day which led to a large number of views). Wehwalt (talk) 13:36, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Sign me up if there is something that needs to be discussed or commented upon. Regarding general timing issues for BTS, most of the members of the group are getting ready for military service in the South Korean draft service. This type of issue could have an effect upon the best timing for announcements and related events. ErnestKrause (talk) 17:12, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Jin is the first member set to enlist around his birthday, which is in December. By then, we should also know if the group will go together. Btspurplegalaxy 🗩 🖉 17:46, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Misleading info under Fandom section

There's some misleading info drawn from an equally misleading article in the Fandom section under Impact! This part: "Feedback from ARMY to BTS affects the group's actions and lyrics; BTS has eliminated certain Korean words that sound like American racial slurs from their songs and ended collaboration with a Japanese producer when Korean ARMY members deemed his views extreme." There were slight edits made to the BBMAs performance of Fake Love and the US radio version of Fake Love, to change 니가 and 내가 since they "sound like slurs" to some Americans. (Which has been done to other Korean songs in the past.) However, BTS did not change the lyrics outside of these instances, and subsequent songs use both 내가 and 니가. How this is currently written suggests that BTS removed and ceased using the terms due to ARMY's feedback about potential for misunderstanding them as slurs. The article cited to support this statement also uses misleading wording to suggest the same (along with incorrectly calling Fake Love an album.) The implication is more akin to when artists have gone back and removed slurs from digital recordings (ex. Beyonce removing a word from "Heated"), which isn't what happened here. Keitakey (talk) 21:21, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 November 2022

Please change the current lead image to this one:

20201110—BTS interview, Vogue Taiwan.jpg

That way it is easier to tell the members apart, since in the current one they are all wearing the same outfit. Lina211 (talk) 20:46, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: That image is marked as Creative Commons, but the license claim has not been reviewed on Commons. I was unable to find a CC declaration on the YouTube page from which that image was taken. As such, I must assume that the requested image is fair use until a free license can be demonstrated. Per WP:FREER, the current free image should be preferred over a fair-use image.

If the requested image is indeed freely licensed, please provide some evidence of its licensing. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:44, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

I found it on Wikimedia Commons, so I'm pretty sure it's free Lina211 (talk) 22:01, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

You can upload anything to Commons, it still needs to be reviewed for acceptable licensing per what Jonesey95 said.Evaders99 (talk) 22:08, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

There is no need to change the image to an older one. Also, the members are listed in order from left to right in the image caption, so that helps the reader to identify the members. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 02:46, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 December 2022

In the History section, a sentence has redundant text. The following sentence reads incorrectly; the phrase "original plans to" is redundant and should be deleted:

Auditions were held in 2010 with plans to original plans to launch the following year.

That sentence should read:

Auditions were held in 2010 with plans to launch the following year. Rbd001 (talk) 02:27, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

 Done ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 02:31, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 December 2022 (2)

Change Years active 2013–present to Years active 2013-2022 71.241.203.240 (talk) 17:07, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. You haven't provided any sources that the group won't continue to be active. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:11, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Military service

While I understand the need to cover the enlistment one something of a play-by-play basis, we should plan to greatly consolidate that text at some future date. Wehwalt (talk) 17:30, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

There are three approaches which can be taken for this general issue: (1) The example of the FA for Elvis is that it worth keeping track of the GI issues and to keep a separate section in the article for this information. If the FA for Elvis has such a section then why should the BTS article be without such a section. (2) Another option is to simply hibernate the section and the article until 2025 when the group is to re-unite; even to the point of ignoring the upcoming Grammy awards coming up next year since Jin is no longer an active part of the group; this extreme form of 'hibernation' would also exclude any BTS products, merchandising, and films which might be released by their production agencies while they are under their scheduled separation. (3) Hybe, their managing agents, state the opposite viewpoint, that BTS as a group is still represented by the solo acts of its members and therefor the solo acts of its members represent the promise of the re-union of the group in 2025 as much as anything else. Those seem the be the 3 separate approaches in general terms for discussion. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:33, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

I think we should cover continued group activities and honors, cover military service briefly, leaving much of the detail to the individual biographical articles and look to summarize the military matters down the road as it is unlikely to be a major part what is written about the group. Elvis is a biography of one person, not a group. Wehwalt (talk) 16:33, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

If anyone has done the math on this then all the members would need to enlist by June 2024 of next year if the band is to reunite before the end of 2025 as promised by Hybe (with 18 months minimum service each). Does something like this statement make sense to mention. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:32, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Short answer: no. Long answer: that falls under WP:SPECULATION. Wikipedia should simply report facts; this isn't a forum or a fansite, it's not the place to speculate about potential future events, certainly not in the article itself. If there's any word coming from any of the parties involved regarding enlistment schedules or changes to it, be BH or BTS members, we can add it. I'm sure that if the 2025 schedule is delayed they'll be asked about it. - Ïvana (talk) 16:41, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

I agree. Let's stick to reporting what has been said. Wehwalt (talk) 18:07, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 January 2023

Hey everyone. The name of their production company, Big Hit Entertainment, is misspelled in the second paragraph ("Entertainment" has an extra "e" in it). Can someone with permissions fix it? Aurora mc (talk) 23:24, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Done. Thanks.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:25, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Becoming Global Ambassadors

Jimin - Dior - Tiffany & Co. Suga - Valentino Jhope - Louis Vuitton Jimin - Collaboration with Taeyang 157.49.95.236 (talk) 18:01, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

J-hope hasn't been officially appointed as a GA for LV. As for the rest, everything is already mentioned in each member's individual article. - Ïvana (talk) 18:49, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

also now jimin is the GA of Tiffany & Co. 2001:8F8:1265:9F07:2014:EF6:3CC8:385C (talk) 12:41, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Again, any individual ambassadorship or achievement is mentioned in their individual articles. It doesn't belong here. - Ïvana (talk) 16:41, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Removing co-produce from lead

It has come to my attention that the editor Lililolol is insistent on removing co-produce on the lead section. I feel like the removal of it needs to be discussed. They want to keep removing without any thought. Regardless of what you tell them, they will revert it. I'm tagging Carlobunnie, Ïvana, and Wehwalt your thoughts on the matter. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 18:44, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Wehwalt's wording should do the trick. If they come back again, and you have to deal w/ more reverts, just report them. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 19:53, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Agree with Carlobunnie. This person is clearly acting in bad faith. - Ïvana (talk) 02:04, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 April 2023

213.104.192.98 (talk) 10:38, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

i wanna edit it plzz

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 10:51, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 April 2023

hello i wanted to send you an editing request because i want to fix all the spelling mistakes and make the articles sound more better thank you and good bye. 1234567899b (talk) 02:11, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. @1234567899b: You'll need to tell us where the spelling mistakes are before we can correct them. —C.Fred (talk) 02:14, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Request regarding military info + dates out of order

Hi, I would like to request that j-hope's military station location be removed. A lot of Armys discourage spreading the location as it has never been shared by j-hope, the other members, or their company/BigHit/HYBE. I also request that the other members' station information not be added as they enlist; this will make everything very cluttered in an already very long article. The enlistment date is fine.

Somewhat related, that second to last paragraph for the history section needs to be reorganized - it goes from Oct 2022 -> Dec -> Feb 2023 -> Oct 2022 -> Nov -> Feb 2023 in the last paragraph. 2601:601:8700:3970:513E:4631:EAD1:26D1 (talk) 04:18, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Endorsements and awards section

Endorsements and awards should be segregated. This is based on other GA articles. For example, the endorsement could be under the existing Impact / Other Ventures section, while the awards on the main article could be built into a section called "Achievements and Awards.". kitb (talk) 09:31, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

I think it's fine as it is. The article went through major changes not that long ago. The article is of WP:FA status now. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 11:26, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

The article is good enough, hence the FA status, but there's always room for improvement. I just don't see how their endorsements can be related to the accolades they've accumulated over the years. kitb (talk) 11:44, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

My suggestion would be to wait and see what other editors think before making any changes. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 11:51, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

I'm generally going with Btspurple on this question. That section is currently written as a short intro to the two sibling articles which it is linked to; its basically already in the form you state, one for endorsements and another sibling article for nominations here: List of awards and nominations received by BTS. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:28, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

I think it's fine as is, for the reasons stated by Btspurplegalaxy and ErnestKrause above. Wehwalt (talk) 15:34, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

I have to agree with kitb here. Since the days of the FAR, something that bothered me was that the section being renamed Endorsements and Awards while containing no information about the latter, except for the link to the Awards page. That makes no sense. Most BLP articles similar to this one either have an Awards and achievements/Legacy section that mentions accolades and achievements in some way (Kylie Minogue for eg.), but this article does none of that (it did prior to the FAR cut). Logically, the section should either be renamed Endorsements alone, or have its prose ammended to mention something about their achievements/awards. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 19:03, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

I renamed the section to Endorsements alone and moved the link to the awards to the Impact section. kitb (talk) 18:45, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

If you've linked it there, then there should be at the very least a modicum of prose in the section making a connection to something to do with their Awards. I maintain it was a very odd choice (in the FAR as I commented above) to practically erase all mention of the Awards&Noms, when such is generally included on BLP articles for musicians/celebrities (FA examples: Minogue, Beyonce, Taylor Swift, Kate Winslett, The Beatles, U2, etc.) or merged into a Legacy or related subsection in some way. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 16:48, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Is or are?

Given StarryNightSky11's edits, such as here, are we to say "BTS is" or "BTS are"? I'm not certain we're entirely consistent at present. Since the article's TFA in a little over a week, let's try to settle matters like this.Wehwalt (talk) 21:36, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

This article uses American English, so "is" is correct. ✗plicit 23:39, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Top importance for Wikiproject Korea

Hi, I just bumped up the article's importance rating from high to top. I don't know if I'll encounter pushback, but wanted to explain reasoning why here:

• There's precedent (e.g. Talk:The Beatles) for musicians being top importance in a country's wikiproject
• I'd argue they're probably the biggest positive thing to happen to SK's PR in history, even bigger than Gangnam Style.
  • I think "the Beatles to the UK" and "BTS to South Korea" is a fair comparison.
• Not to mention economic and tourism impact

I don't even listen to their music 😅 but it seems cut and dry top importance to me. Maybe this article can eventually get downgraded if another even more influential band comes along (very very hard to do at this point; BTS is huge) toobigtokale (talk) 01:12, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

I’m OK with that. Wehwalt (talk) 01:22, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Debut date

The article mentions BTS released their debut album on June 12, 2013. I was wondering if we ought to include their televised debut on Mnet's M Countdown which took place on June 13, 2013. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 17:30, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

New Academic Source

The Cambridge Companion to K-Pop ([1]) was published just a few months ago and has at least two chapters devoted to BTS, but likely many mentions in others. Would be a good source to incorporate in this article in the future. Aza24 (talk) 04:15, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Comma vs Fullstop

@Lightoil I believe my edit makes more sense grammaticlaly, as the sentence is too complex without a full stop divider 🇬🅰️Ⓜ️⭕🔱📧🅱️🅱️📧🇩 (talk) 04:42, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

@Gamowebbed Then you should reword the whole sentence. Lightoil (talk) 04:49, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you 🇬🅰️Ⓜ️⭕🔱📧🅱️🅱️📧🇩 (talk) 07:18, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 July 2023

bts is known for their popular music and all other kinds — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.100.114.121 (talk) 12:01, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 12:09, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 July 2023

Change 2013-present to 2013-2023 Loganp23 (talk) 08:43, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 09:16, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

BTS no longer hold highest selling album

This record is now held by Seventeen's FML, as reflected here-- List of best-selling albums in South Korea 173.68.72.44 (talk) 20:56, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 September 2023

I want to add HYBE Corporation page link in the labels column so that the readers would know that K-Pop singers who are in music companies that are part of HYBE should include HYBE Corporation page link to know more about it.

Example Code:

• KOZ
• Hybe

SectorKWiki19 (talk) 20:00, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 05:40, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 September 2023

add

• Map of the Soul Tour (2020; cancelled)
• Permission to Dance on Stage (2021–2022)

to the Concert tours section 2A00:23C8:92B:5E01:2C1F:EE1E:3172:79E1 (talk) 08:58, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

 Done * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:18, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 10 September 2023

Impact, subsection Diplomacy.

1) CURRENT: "BTS were invited to address the United Nations General Assembly in September 2018[349][350] and perform before 400 officials, including President Moon Jae-in, at the 2018 Korea-France Friendship Concert in Paris, a summit celebrating the friendly relations between France and South Korea."

SUGGESTED: "BTS was invited to address the United Nations General Assembly in New York in September 2018. That same year they performed in Paris before an audience of 400, including President Moon Jae-in and other officials, at the 2018 Korea-France Friendship Concert, a summit celebrating the friendly relations between France and South Korea."

WHY: a) This should not be one long, confusing run-on sentence. b) It contains a factual error: they did not perform in front of 400 officials, they performed in front of 400 people, some of whom were officials (https://en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20181015006700315 and https://www.korea.net/NewsFocus/Culture/view?articleId=164255). c) You need to decide if you're going to treat 'BTS' as a singular or plural noun. In most of the rest of the article you treat it as singular ('As of 2023, BTS is the best-selling...' and 'BTS has also appeared on Time's...')

2) CURRENT: "Political scientist Joseph Nye developed the concept of soft power in his 2004 book Soft Power: The Means to Success in World Politics,[345][346] which researchers such as Maud Quessard have applied to BTS and their influence on entertainment diplomacy and international relations.[347] Nye wrote, "when one country gets other countries to want what it wants might be called co-optive or soft power in contrast with the hard or command power of ordering others to do what it wants."

SUGGESTED: "In his 1990 article Soft Power Joseph Nye developed the concept of a second type of power different from traditional authoritarianism. "This second aspect of power – which occurs when one country gets other countries to want what it wants – might be called co-optive or soft power in contrast with the hard or command power of ordering others to do what it wants."[348-will need updating] Researchers such as Maud Quessard have applied the concept of soft power to BTS and their influence on entertainment diplomacy and international relations.[347]

WHY: a) By using only *part* of a sentence from Nye's book you've created a grammatically incorrect sentence that's hard to follow. b) It is, again, factually incorrect - The quote comes from his 1990 article "Soft Power" published in the journal Foreign Policy, edition No. 80 (Autumn, 1990), pp. 153-171 (the quote is on pg 166) which you can view here: https://www.wilsoncenter.org/sites/default/files/media/documents/page/joseph_nye_soft_power_journal.pdf Niccast (talk) 23:12, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Appears to have been done by Btspurplegalaxy on September 30. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 22:40, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

I only did the first part not the second part. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 23:35, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

 Done the second part. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:12, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Two questions

Why is there no link to their pages in the Members section?

And why is there no mention of Beyond the Story? 2A01:6500:B109:B046:CE60:AC81:2F8:7390 (talk) 18:44, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Linking the members section is not essential, since the infobox already includes linked pages for each member. The absence of mention regarding "Beyond the Story" is due to its current lack of updates. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 19:19, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the answer.

The pages of Twice, Exo, TVXQ and Blackpink have links to the pages of the members. 37.60.47.181 (talk) 19:58, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

See WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS. This is a WP:FA featured article. We do not need to repeat links all over the place. Wehwalt (talk) 20:26, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 10 December 2023

I request to edit and add additional information that wasn't added beforehand to further make this a more professional article/information page and more specific. Lalisasproperty (talk) 19:15, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Ïvana (talk) 19:26, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Lalisasproperty: It doesn't work like that. If we were to allow any new editor who asks to be allowed to edit to do so, it would defeat the whole purpose of protecting the article. Instead, say here exactly what text you would like to put into the article, and what text if any you think it should replace, and an experienced editor will decide whether to make the suggested changes. JBW (talk) 19:30, 10 December 2023 (UTC)