Talk:BMW New Class

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New Class and 02 Series

Article states that the '02 series is not part of the New Class. The photo alongside is captioned as one of the 02 class. Since the article is about the New Class, one of these statements seems to be inconsistent. JMcC 12:36, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

2002 Turbo in Herbie movie

Is that fact worth mentioning in the article? The car is only very briefly seen. Anyway, if yes, then it is nr 120 instead of 126, and probably a TI rather than a Turbo, cf http://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_44168-BMW-2002-ti-1968.html

Also...

Quinn Malery from Sliders drives a BMW 2002 in blue. We only get to see it in the first episode (and possibley one of the ones where he thinks he's home) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.145.198.172 (talk) 18:15, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Antp (talk) 16:43, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Series designations and placements

Defining vehicles in the present 3, 5, 6, 7 series prior to the introduction of that terminology is subject to significant debate relative both to the classifications shown, and even the utility of the concept.

The inclusion of the 1500/1800.2000 as preceding the E12 is inconceivable. They were merely 4-door originals from which the 2-door variants were derived, and should be categorized with the latter. For example, in the E30 3 series, both two and four-door variants were produced.

The E3 big six is in no way the predecessor of the E23 7-series; it is the direct forebear of the E12 and all future 5-series, sharing many of the same engine, suspension and driveline components. The first 7 series was the E23 728/730/733/735i, depending on country, and generally used newly-designed components to handle the extra vehicle weight and power. Except for perception of relative cost, it is even misleading to characterize any vehicle as the 7's predecessor; as such, pre-pending current 'series' terminology to such early vehicles as the Baroque Angels is bending the metaphor to the breaking point. 71.10.226.43 (talk) 23:54, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

The big six was developed and intended as a sportier competitor to the Mercedes-Benz S-Class, just as the E23 7-series was. E3 went out of production in 1976. The E12 5-series arrived as early as 1972. E3 was produced from 1968-1977, when E23 arrived. Besides, the E3 is a larger car than the E12 5-series, both longer, wider and with a longer wheelbase (It was even available with a longer wheelbase option, as the Mercedes S-Class). In fact, the E3 is comparable in size to the E23. E12 was designed to compete with the Mercedes-Benz W114 sedan, which is similar in size and with similar engine sizes. E23 basically uses the same M30 engines as E3, with different specifications and upgrades. E12 uses M10 four cylinder engines and M20 six cylinder engines as well as the big six M30 engines. So even the engines speak against you here. There is no way the E3 was predecessor to the 5-series. BMW would have wanted to expand their fleet with a new model, more suitable to compete with the Mercedes-Benz W114, than the new class models were. W114 as well had both four and six cylinder engines. E3, as well as E23, had larger six cylinder engines only. So the E12 is an obvious competitor to the W114. 83.108.109.127 (talk) 17:33, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

BMW 1500

• Please compare the production dates and numbers given under the BMW 1500 picture on the right (23,807, 1962-1966) with the dates and numbers given in the table at the bottom (23,554, 1962-1964). --Olli1800 (talk) 10:31, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
• "The BMW 1500 [...] was still made available in markets where higher capacity engines meant increased taxation." Please provide a trusted source for that statement. --Olli1800 (talk) 10:31, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

BMW 1600 (4-door)

• Please compare the production numbers given in the table (29,362) with the numbers and dates given in the table at the bottom (9,728, 1964-1966). --Olli1800 (talk) 10:31, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
• "It [...] was produced through 1968." Please provide a trusted source for that statement. --Olli1800 (talk) 10:31, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

BMW 2000C/CS

• Please compare the production dates given under the BMW 2000C/CS picture on the right (1966-1975) with the dates and numbers given in the table at the bottom (1965-1969). Are you sure that the production of the 2000 Coupé ended in 1969? Please have a look at http://www.e9-driven.com/E9_Vins.asp Please see also the production numbers given there. --Olli1800 (talk) 10:31, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

BMW 2000

• The 2000 Touring with the hatch body made from 1971 to 1974 doesn't seem to get a mention.

The Touring models are considered part of the BMW 02 Series and are described there. --Colin Douglas Howell (talk) 02:58, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Background

"The team was to produce a new car with a new engine, which BMW had done since the 303 in 1933."

From the rest of the article I gather that this was something that BMW had not done for a long time... anybody with sources at hand want to clear this up?

Stizzleswick (talk) 07:13, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

02 Series

First, why does BMW 2002 redirect you to this page if it's a 'different car'? And I dont understand why a 2 door 1602 is considered a "different car" from a 4 door 1600 Neu Classe. They are the same chassis, running ear and bodywork, except one is a 2 door, one is not. In most cases these are not treated as different cars. If they are here, it should explain why, because its already very difficult trying to figure out the whole story. You need to jump back and forth from one page to another to try and keep track of the development, because things that were developed for the sedan ended up used in the coupe, and vice versa. It would be much better if they were all treated on a single page, like every other car on wikipedia, which covers each individual chassis including ALL models...for example, BMW E30 covers ALL the E30 models, 2 and 4 door, various engines and classes. Then you ave separate pages for each model if there is detailed information available. Treating a class-wide practice of denotin the 2 door model wit a -2 as a separate class is silly. A 1600 has as much to do with a 1602 as it does with a 2000. The cars are clearly close siblings and should be givemn an overview page, even if you insist on keeping a special page for 2 doors.

64.222.125.27 (talk) 18:59, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

BMW 02 Series models are different from the New Class models because they don't have the same chassis, running gear and bodywork, although they are obviously quite similar and closely related. The fundamental difference is not just that the 02 Series had only two doors, but that it was shorter by almost a foot (300 millimeters), with a wheelbase shorter by about two inches (50 mm). That shortening requires reworking the whole body and chassis, although the powerplant is obviously the same. BMW themselves clearly consider the cars to be of distinct series, judging by their online archive material. I myself was trying to figure out the story and getting confused, and part of that confusion was because this article still had some bits, like dates of production, that actually confused the New Class series with the 02 Series. (BMW reusing the "1600" model number for two different models, one from the New Class and a later one from the 02 Series, didn't help matters.) Because of this, I've just done a bit of cleanup here trying to remove that leftover confusion, which is why I'm commenting here. Colin Douglas Howell (talk) 05:59, 13 June 2023 (UTC)