Talk:Ayreon

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Why is there a spoiler warning in this article? I'm going to take it out for now --Snaxe920 18:57, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Concept

The new Concept section is interesting, though I'm not sure where the author got the idea that Forever had recieved Merlin's message from The Final Experiment; the album's narrative segments were meant to be directed at the listener.

My own theory of the connections between the albums is as follows: The Futureman is the same man who would later become The New Migrator; he might have been involved with the Final Experiment, though I doubt that is the case. After the apparent failure of the Time Telepathy program, and with most or all of the other humans dead, he goes into the Dream Sequencer. Eventually, he makes contact with Forever, who recognizes him from the Electric Castle. Forever, travelling mentally to Mars, finds the abandoned Dream Sequencer and uses it to run the Human Equation program.

Kouban 13:56, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

We´re digging our grave here in this section: wikipedia articles must not contain original research, which includes the editor´s feelings :-). We should find reliable sources to back-up what we are saying in this section, perhaps citing Arjen himself, or else we will be doing original research. If it isn´t researched elsewhere we should not try to make connections from one album to the other, unless it´s a clear connection or if Arjen or another reliable source made the connection themselves. It´s a thin thread to try to avoid original research. By the way all Ayreon albums are superb! I have a special liking for the Dream Sequencer, because it´s so different from everything else that it shines on it´s own!!! Regards 17:23, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

I´m not saying that I did not liked the Concept section: I liked it. It made me think because I do not own all Ayreon albums (yet). But I think that, as the section stands now, it doesn´t belong to wikipedia. 17:24, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Very true, re: original research and citing Arjen. I'm sure if one scours his messageboard, they'll find something about this. Also; sign your things ;) Kouban 14:08, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Man, I never forgot to sign my things! Something went wrong on the edit, because I alwasy put four tildes "~" after them. Loudenvier 14:33, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

You can also see that only the UTC date and time was recorded. Perhaps a bug on media wiki? I will submit it to the respective developers. Regards Loudenvier 14:35, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

in fact... ayreon is the band that created "intergalactic metal"...so...it's not heavy metal

FYI, and SPOILER ALERT, according to 01011001, the Forever entities initiated humanity and gave them all sorts of knowledge, including how to potentially save themselves via Time Telepathy. So Forever was already aware of Earth long before the visions of Ayreon and Merlin. ... Of course, 01011001 doesn't come out until the end of January, so... I have no idea how I know this ;) The Human Equation Program using the Dream Sequencer was a final stab attempt to understand humanity even after its destruction, while projects such as the Electric Castle were aimed at understanding emotion prior to 2084/85. Also, there's no way that Futureman (who I believe does become the New Migrator) was involved in the Time Telepathy experiment, as 01011001 seems to indicate it was a great achievement of earthbound scientists, not Martian colonists. There really couldn't have been that many Martian colonists around near the start of the war anyway.

153.42.211.55 20:01, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

This information should be kept out of the article until the the album is actually released. Kouban (talk) 01:35, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Cast for the new album

I think the list of the new album's singers should be moved to the article for the album itself; here, it's just taking up space. Kouban 02:37, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Indeed. Offski 18:14, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

References?

There are no references for this article, or any of the articles for the individual albums. It might be a good idea to get some.  :-) --Managerpants (talk) 18:08, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

• I removed certainly irrelevant 'folk metal' and 'symphonic metal' from genre field. Obviously they were put in by a user who thought having an 'unconventional' instrument like flute or violin is enough to classify Ayreon that way. In fact, traditional and classical music always influenced progressive rock acts, and it didn't make them into same genre with Finntroll or NightwishGarret Beaumain (talk) 23:16, 15 January 2009 (UTC).

I disagree. I have no doubt they are a prog rock/metal band, but the presence of..."unconventional" instruments is quite strong, specially in The Final Experiment, The Human Equation and 01011001. I don't see such usage of flutes and strings in other prog bands like Dream Theater, Pink Floyd, Shadow Gallery and Symphony X. I agree that traditional and classical music is sometimes an influence only, but songs like "The Truth is Here", "Day Thirteen: Sign" and "Web of Lies" are far from being considered progressive. Though I want to revert your edit, I'll wait until this small issue is solved and will leave the article as it is. Victor Lopes (talk) 23:42, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, as nobody seems to object, I will add those genres back, keeping the "Space Rock" that Garret Beaumain added. Victor Lopes (talk) 21:41, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Space rock is a definite, can't listen to an Ayreon song without hearing about some Quasar in the galaxy NH2B3. Folk would perhaps be second. Not because of flutes, but because of lutes and harpsichord which are very baroque and do not have a strong presence in prog. The flute does (Jethro Tull, Genesis, for example). Can we find sources for this though so that it's not a case of 'he thinks, she thinks'? - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ^τ _¢ 21:20, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Conflicting information

At the start of the article, it says: Also, when asked on the "Ask Arjen Anything" channel of communication if there will be another Ayreon album, he simply stated "Definitely".

Near the bottom, it then says: Future of Ayreon

Arjen is currently working on his new side project, Guilt Machine. Regarding the release of another Ayreon album, he stated the following:[5]

   "As for whether there will be another Ayreon album, I'm never sure. Ten years could go by before I decide to do another one. I have to say that a lot of the reviews for 01 said it had some cool moments but it had that typical Ayreon sound, that there was nothing new being offered, and I think I can agree with that. I decided I'm going to stop with this Ayreon story, with this sound, and concentrate on other projects first. Then, if I decide to go back to Ayreon I'll do something different with it. I have no idea how (laughs), but if there's going to be another one it should be differenty."

Well?

The Theory Of Everything - First review worldwide, further information about the concept

The German webzine cdstarts.de has been quick! Here you can read the first review worldwide. Most interesting is the summary of the concept. The reviewer also compares the character "Father" with a kafka-father and he names two aspects which are a little bit Sci-Fi. Someone should add the information!!! http://www.cdstarts.de/kritiken/113430-Ayreon-The-Theory-Of-Everything.html --178.201.109.23 (talk) 15:55, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

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Transitus

The forthcoming 2020 album needs an article; there's a name reserved for it, but it redirects back here. Sadly, I don't trust my own article-creating skills (because, well, I don't have any!). But when some kind soul builds the page, the announcements leading up to the release, guessing games and so forth, could migrate over there. Chichiri47 (talk) 13:02, 16 May 2020 (UTC)