Talk:Armin Meiwes

It's important to known his political views?

What this deranged psycho supports as political view is of no interest to the regular Wiki user. The underlying facts that really matters are those related to him murdering another man, not his petty political views. It appears to be sensationalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.167.86.142 (talk) 03:25, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

pork or beef?

other sources state that human flesh tastes like beef or veal, and NOT like chicken or pork

"Prior to 1931, New York Times reporter William Buehler Seabrook, allegedly in the interests of research, obtained from a hospital intern at the Sorbonne a chunk of human meat from the body of a healthy human killed by accident, and cooked and ate it. He reported that, "It was like good, fully developed veal, not young, but not yet beef. It was very definitely like that, and it was not like any other meat I had ever tasted. It was so nearly like good, fully developed veal that I think no person with a palate of ordinary, normal sensitiveness could distinguish it from veal. It was mild, good meat with no other sharply defined or highly characteristic taste such as for instance, goat, high game, and pork have. The steak was slightly tougher than prime veal, a little stringy, but not too tough or stringy to be agreeably edible. The roast, from which I cut and ate a central slice, was tender, and in color, texture, smell as well as taste, strengthened my certainty that of all the meats we habitually know, veal is the one meat to which this meat is accurately comparable."[" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Topk (talk • contribs) 14:00, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

This is a fucking garbage you wrote here, man, now I want to throw it all on you, argh!

Maybe different people have different flavors. I doubt there has been much research done in this area. In any event, the taste of the victim doesn't seem too relevant to this article... TheBlinkster (talk) 20:43, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

victim?

I feel like referring to Brandes as a "victim" is a loaded term. Since there is dispute over how this case should be treated, I feel we should avoid this word. Can anyone think of a more neutral word that still accurately describes Brandes? MykellM (talk) 21:14, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Subject? Ingredient? Though I agree that victim is a loaded term, according to what I've read (admittedly not much) they didn't really have any sort of relationship (friendship, family, acquaintanceship, anything) other than the consumptive one. Other than simply referring to Brandes by name rather than as "his (Meiwes') victim" there aren't a lot of options.97.112.30.162 (talk) 05:21, 29 April 2009 (UTC) With all respect to his relatives he could be refereed as The Dinner.--208.80.115.126 (talk) 00:26, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

There is such a term as "willing victim". Being a "victim" doesn't rule out willingness by itself, though in normal use one would assume it does, in this case it's stated that Brandes came voluntarily, so you can use "victim" and people will still know what you mean. 188.29.164.185 (talk) 14:20, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

I'd say that 'victim' is an accurate word, because, whether he agreed to the act or not, murder is illegal, and therefore he was the 'victim' of a crime. Consent makes no difference to the legality. Pollythewasp (talk) 12:30, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Whether you like it or not, this guy was not murdered. He wanted it. It's like saying all women are raped on their honeymoon.184.155.120.157 (talk) 00:31, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Different scopes. The victim consenting to being killed does not create a legal right for someone else to do it. Illegal homicide is, by definition, murder - consent is irrelevant. 2600:1700:343A:9250:2851:813D:B623:C5AF (talk) 04:17, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Legally he is a "victim" now though, because the court ruled that Meiwes committed murder. TheBlinkster (talk) 20:45, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Sperm as a food additive?

"He was considered gay because adding sperm on his daily meals" - if ever there was a case for "citation needed", this is it.

H7dders (talk) 14:09, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Not to mention, the wording sounds like a schoolkid put that in the article. -- 75.183.7.184 (talk) 02:56, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

yea a Gay Cannibal :D

Sexual orientation?

I fail to see how the fact that Meiwes and Brandes were "openly bisexual" is relevant. Kristinaaliceinwonderland (talk) 21:22, 15 February 2010 (UTC) Kristina

Because there was a sexual element to the killing, for both men. Sexual expression between to men makes them at least gay. But they weren't, they were bisexual. It's their right to be identified as what they are. Lest anyone think they were just gay, which is nothing to be ashamed of, but simply isn't true. "Openly" meaning they let people know about it, rather than keeping it a secret (which would be "closet bisexual").

The killing was sexually motivated, which makes their sexual identity relevant.

188.29.164.185 (talk) 14:17, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

I have removed the sexuality categories from the article as they aren't supported by the text. As the subjct is a living person, WP:BLP requires self identification which isn't provided in the article. Even for the victim, we need strong sourcing supporting the idea he was bisexual or gay, see Wikipedia:Categorization/Ethnicity, gender, religion and sexuality. Incidentally, it sounds like you don't really understand sexual orientation. Even regularly willing having sex with a person of the same sex for fun doesn't make you gay or bisexual, let alone eating a penis (whatever the sexual dimension). Nil Einne (talk) 12:35, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Looking at the history of the article, I found "Meiwes is openly bisexual, as was Brandes.". If someone wants to readd this to the article and the categories I won't object. But the categories don't belong unless the text and sources are in the article. A big problem is that although presented as a biography, the structure of the article is primarily a crime one not a biography so you'd need to find some way to integrate it. Nil Einne (talk) 12:42, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Also wondered why homosexuality isn't mentioned in the article at all. Apparently it has been censored out for political correct reasons. 41.151.219.29 (talk) 20:03, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

References

Psychology

I find the lack of any discussion of the psychology of a human being having the desires which Meiwes and his victim displayed a huge omission in this article. Surely, some discussion of these aspects must have surfaced during the criminal trials? __meco (talk) 02:41, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Unsourced and false

'According to journalists who saw the video ' is BS. No journalists ever got to see that video. The video has been evaluated once within a tiny circle of policemen and court officials and has been securely locked away by the police afterwards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.157.48.41 (talk) 20:19, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Crime

I removed the claim there was a question over whether he had commited a crime [1]. It's not supported by the BBC source used.

The BBC source only notes that cannabilism is or was not a crime in Germany. So it may be if he had just eaten the victim, with the victim's permission and was not involved in any way in the victim's death, he wouldn't be guilty of a crime. But this is obviously quite distinct from whether he was involved in a crime in a case like this where he killed the victim, which may be a crime regardless of the legality of eating the victim.

AFAIK even in countries like the Netherlands and Belgium with legal voluntary euthanasia, there are still various safeguards which are unlikely to have been met in this case. And Germany isn't on such country anyway [2] [3].

In other words, I find it very unlikely there was ever any real debate over the existance of a crime (the only real avenue would seem to be whether the subject/killer had sufficient mental issues to make him not culpable). So I suggest it needs strong sourcing if we are to claim there was.

There may have been debate over what crime was committed, which seems to have been borne out in the trial. In particular, depending on Germany law it's possible that with proper informed consent having been given and depending on the motives of the subject, it may not be murder but some other form of homicide (presuming Germany has such a distinction which it sounds like they do). As per the article, the court did eventual rule it murder anyway although it sounds like there was also doubt on the consent so I don't know if the issue was ever really dealt with.

Nil Einne (talk) 13:01, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

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"Consultant in criminal cases"

"According to a Bild report from October 2007, Meiwes was helpful in the analysis of two suspected cannibal murders from 1998 and 2000"...

Bild is Germany's National Enquirer with pictures of topless women mixed in. (The word 'Bild' is German for 'picture'. People aren't buying this to read the articles.)

I can't find another source for this claim *period*, let alone from a reputable source. - 73.11.41.29 (talk) 08:02, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Vorarephilia as motive?

This page lists the motive for Armin's actions as 'vorarephilia'. However, it seems to me that his actions are more in line with a cannibalism fetish, which exists as a separate fetish outside of vorarephilia. The Wikipedia page on Vorarephilia even explicitly states, "Vore fantasies are separated from sexual cannibalism because the living victim is normally swallowed whole," a claim which is supported by a scholarly journal. To my knowledge, Armin never explicitly stated vore as his motive, and the physical actions are more in line with cannibalism.

Given that the motive appears to be unsubstantiated and the evidence is more in line with a cannibalism fetish, I propose that the listed motive should either be changed to "cannibalism fetish", a generic "sexual gratification", or removed altogether. Kilodyne (talk) 04:30, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

• After a week of no disputes, I've changed this to a simple "sexual gratification", as this seems most consistent with the known facts. Kilodyne (talk) 06:27, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Metzgermeister

Is there any source for calling him "Metzgermeister"? This is a very common word in German, but I have never heard it in this context. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:810D:EC0:C850:94A4:8630:C93:5454 (talk) 15:20, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

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"Feed Me" film

I've been reading a lot of reviews about this film, stating that it was loosely based on Armin Meiwes. But I can't find anything from anyone involved with the film saying this. So putting this on the TALK page in case anyone might find a better source than "it's common knowledge, like, everyone knows it, dude". 2600:1700:343A:9250:2851:813D:B623:C5AF (talk) 04:29, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

citation query

is daily mail allowed to put because I'm editing this in a rush. Sq2id (talk) 16:36, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

It's generally not allowed, and this article is a biography of a living person, so there are higher standards than usual. See WP:DAILYMAIL. QuietCicada - Talk 16:49, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

No. Please see WP:DAILYMAIL. Helper201 (talk) 17:16, 22 December 2023 (UTC)