Talk:2024 pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses

Edit Request: Washington, D.C. section -- University of Maryland, College Park (UMD) missing from DC section + MPD response to GWU President + other changes [Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 May 2024]

Change the following sentence:

"On April 25, students from Georgetown University and George Washington University established a joint encampment ... ."

"Protesters were joined by Howard University, George Mason University, University of Maryland, Baltimore County, and Gallaudet University students."

To: "On April 25, students from Georgetown University and George Washington University established a joint encampment in Foggy Bottom ... ."

"Protesters at Foggy Bottom were later on joined by Howard University, George Mason University, American University, University of Maryland, College Park, Gallaudet University, and University of Maryland, Baltimore County students."

Here are additional sources for this change:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/eight-colleges-join-together-to-protest-the-war-in-gaza-at-george-washington-university_n_662aa8fde4b0bd041d771f10 .

https://www.ajc.com/news/dc-police-refuse-universitys-pleas-to-remove-protesters/G3KTS5QXLZB5ROFGGENK7JCTGA/

https://gwhatchet.com/2024/04/25/live-coverage-pro-palestinian-demonstrators-erect-tent-encampment-in-u-yard/

-- Also, let's add more information about why the Metropolitan Police Department of the District of Columbia (MPD) rejected George Washington University President's request to remove the protesters. Some of the sources that have already been cited, plus others we can cite, say that MPD/D.C. officials rejected the request because the protesters [(at least at the time)] were protesting peacefully and police did not want to antagonize them nor recreate the same optics surrounding the Teargassing and Clearing of Peaceful Protesters at Lafayette Square during the Donald Trump photo op at St. John's Church. --

[Note to Talk Page Readers: American University (AU) and the University of Maryland, College Park (UMD) are mentioned twice in the whole article because they had protests on their campus but later on joined the joint DMV SJP encampment at GW's campus in Foggy Bottom. In UMD's case, its on-campus protest is mentioned in the Maryland section while its joint protest at the Foggy Bottom, Washington, D.C. encampment should be mentioned in the Washington, D.C. section. Also keep in mind that University of Maryland, College Park (UMD) and University of Maryland, Baltimore County (UMBC) are two separate universities with similar names that joined the Foggy Bottom protest (this may have confused an editor which may be the reason why it was omitted).]

InfoWiki01 (talk) 00:43, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Charliehdb (talk) 09:47, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Providing historical context

There appears to be little historical context in this article, to include (1) a brief history of Israel and its forced migration of Palestinians and (2) the history of US higher education, its long-standing role in supporting establishment causes (genocide, slavery, wars, global climate change), and the history of student movements to counter oppression (the Vietnam War, South African apartheid and divestment). Collegemeltdown2 (talk) 20:02, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Do you have reliable sources directly relating this to the current protests? The background isn't supposed to be a history of the Israel-Palestine conflict nor the history of higher education. There are otherwise references to Protests of 1968 that were available from RS. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 22:12, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Keene State College to be added to the Wikimap of protesting colleges

Students at Keene State College in Keene New Hampshire organized a protest and it must be added to the Wikimap of protesting colleges with a blue marker. Quertie420 (talk) 14:25, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Encampment beginning at La Trobe University, Australia next Tuesday, 7 May

Hi, there's not currently a WP:RS for it, but La Trobe University will be holding an encampment from 7 May to 9 May (I've been told there's a potential to extend it, but its not a large uni such as University of Melbourne or University of Sydney so there might not be as many people to sustain it for weeks as they are doing. Here is an instagram post announcing it, there should be WP:RS in the future. MarkiPoli (talk) 17:44, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

References

Google

Please let me know which article of Wikipedia this https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/18/technology/google-firing-israeli-cloud-contract.html news should be added to.-4Zion2Do (talk) 20:51, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

That ref is already used in Project Nimbus#Israeli–Palestinian conflict. Boud (talk) 15:42, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

"Occupying campuses"

First sentence of the second paragraph of the lead section contains the phrase "began occupying campuses" when it more accurately should read "began occupying spaces on campuses". Current phrasing implies students physically occupied entire campuses in protest. Gorvus the thumb (talk) 03:18, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Protests at SUNY New Paltz

At Suny New Paltz, a peaceful protest was forcibly broken up by riot police after they refused to disperse:

https://www.timesunion.com/hudsonvalley/news/article/suny-new-paltz-palestine-encampment-arrests-19436848.php

At least one person injured: https://cbs6albany.com/news/local/cbs-6-speaks-with-new-paltz-student-hurt-in-college-protests-gaza-pro-palestine-israel-hamas-war-encampment-injury-camp-protesting-suny-campus- Wikiwikiwawa (talk) 13:02, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Being mindful of the history of student protest

It's good to see so much effort included in this article. I hope that in documenting and editing this phenomenon that we do not lose sight of history, much of which has been lost through questionable (uncritical) scholarship and selective editing. I am particularly amazed at how poorly student protest and other forms of student resistance have been documented in Wikipedia, but perhaps I shouldn't have. Student protests in the 1920s and 1930s, for example, have barely been examined, despite their historic role in US civil rights. What happened in between those years and the 1960s is made invisible. Even student and faculty resistance from the 1960s to the present is poorly documented. How this article is edited, and possibly included in higher-level articles on Higher education in the United States and History of higher education in the United States will be interesting, especially if the events are part of a broader popular movement. Collegemeltdown2 (talk) 16:36, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Do you have reliable sources to reference? Have you seen the Analysis section? CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 21:35, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes, and I appreciate the work that's been done. Let's see what this article looks like in 3 months and 3 years. Collegemeltdown2 (talk) 23:42, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

If you have sufficient high-quality sources to create an article on US student protests of the 1920s and 1930s and their notable role in US civil rights, then please go ahead. Student protests in October 1964 in Sudan and police repression evolved into a general strike and the October 1964 Revolution, the first of three protest-triggered revolutions (2nd = 1985 Sudanese coup d'état; 3rd = 2018/2019 Sudanese revolution), but the first is only barely covered in a few paragraphs of Wikipedia. There are plenty of Wikipedia articles on significant content that nobody has had the time for or found the sources for - yet. Boud (talk) 12:23, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 May 2024

Additional schools have been added to the protest list. In Illinois, we have protests at the University of Chicago, Northwestern University, and the School of the Art Institute of Chicago, the final of which experienced multiple arrests today. I am requesting to add these schools to the list Hsmorgane (talk) 07:47, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cannolis (talk) 07:54, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Effects - divestments?

As this article is now evolving to a more encyclopedic format, one of the key questions a reader will ask is "To what degree did the protests lead to divestment from Israel?" At least some US universities have to some degree accepted this demand by the protestors. Some of this info is probably in the Reactions section, but would be worth a section either in the Overview section or as a subsection of Responses / United States. Boud (talk) 11:42, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

I never found must content on this, but slowly it's surfacing, even if in a very vague manner [1]. I think it'd make sure sense as a sub-section of Overview, as an Effects section, rather than in Response (which is broadly more opinion based than fact based). CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 18:22, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Overview/Effects sounds reasonable. That ref states "Brown, Northwestern and Rutgers" agreements as "standing out". A couple of other refs adding depth to that and that look usable:

• Brown: https://www.browndailyherald.com/article/2024/04/brown-university-to-vote-on-divestment-at-october-corporation-meeting-encampment-to-be-voluntarily-cleared
• Rutgers: https://dailytargum.com/article/2024/05/encampment-ends-peacefully-despite-police-presence-students-reach-deal-with
• Minnesota: https://www.mprnews.org/story/2024/05/02/university-of-minnesota-protests-divestment-agreement
• Glasgow apparently has had divestment (in this context and other ethical contexts) ongoing for a long time (refs = ...?)

Boud (talk) 12:29, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

• https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/education/2024/05/06/trinity-college-dublin-to-divest-from-investments-in-israeli-companies-that-feature-on-a-united-nations-blacklist

Boud (talk) 12:42, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 May 2024 (2)

Add "At Fordham University, fifteen students including law students were arrested in front of the Leon Lowenstein Center on W 60th St the morning of May 1st." Laughtermaster (talk) 16:29, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Charliehdb (talk) 10:41, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

2024 University of Virginia pro-Palestinian campus occupation

2017 Unite the Right rally compared to student protestors nationwide, and in this community especially

• 2024 University of Virginia pro-Palestinian campus occupation

I just started this article. One of the weird aspects of this protest was that Donald Trump had been saying that pro-Palestinian demonstrators were the same as the hostile actors in the Unite the Right rally. Bluerasberry (talk) 18:20, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Separate article for the May 1st Pro-Israeli attack at UCLA?

Since it was a notable event in the campus protests across the United States. There is also so much more information not included in the section of the UCLA article. I feel like The New York Times did a great job depicting the timeline of events (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/05/03/us/ucla-protests-encampment-violence.html), which can be used as a reference. Seeing as the governor of California and the UC president are expressing desire for an investigation of campus police and the LAPD, we could see much more information in the coming months. I also posted this on the UCLA campus occupation article's talk page. Thoughts or suggestions? Kokaynegeesus (talk) 20:25, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Given there is already the 2024 University of California, Los Angeles pro-Palestinian campus occupation article, I don't see this event needing to be split from there per WP:SIZERULE: Length alone does not justify division or trimming.. What's your reason your wanting to split and not improve the current article about UCLA campus occupation? CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 20:47, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Articles for certain individual encampments

I already posted this on the List of protests article here, but I figure I'd repost here.

I see that aside from Columbia, articles have been written for the encampments at Portland State, Sciences Po, UCLA, and University of Oregon. Are there other individual encampments that have gotten enough coverage to have their own seperate articles? Personally, I think USC, Cal Poly Humboldt, UT Austin, and maybe a couple others have enough notability for articles, but I'd like to hear what others think. TheAmazingRaspberry (talk) 20:55, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 May 2024

Change the short description from "Series of war protests on US campuses" to "Series of war protests on campuses in North America, Europe, and Australia" because this is no longer just in the United States. Mariwlqs (talk) 03:12, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Asia, Africa and South America too. Kire1975 (talk) 06:28, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Shadow311 (talk) 15:32, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Request title change to include the word "college"

I suggest that the title be renamed "2024 pro-Palestinian protests on university and college campuses." This new title would be more inclusive, and it may also be easier to find using search engines. Collegemeltdown2 (talk) 13:43, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Counter protests

Should there be mention of counter-protests, like this one at the University of Mississippi? [2]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/06/university-of-mississippi-palestine-counter-protest-investigation Collegemeltdown2 (talk) 15:10, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

UCSD police action

Should material be added about today's police raid at UCSD on their encampment? Their encampment had been entirely peaceful with no incidents between protesters and outside individuals, and yet, after needed expansion of the encampment due to overcrowding due to the university canceling the annual music festival due to the protest and people joining the protest in solidarity who otherwise would have been at said music festival, the university cited this expansion, as well as the encampment refusing entry to police and fire marshalls, as an act of aggression and sent in armed riot police and border patrol, arrested 40 students and 24 non-students, and dismantled the encampment, and the chancellor basically shut the entire west campus down, forced all classes online-only, and instituted a state of police martial law for the following 25 hours. 68.8.84.138 (talk) 02:17, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Please add what you have, with sources, on the list page here. I've already added some, but not as much as you have. Kire1975 (talk) 04:59, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Add Netherlands and Belgium to the list of "other countries" in infobox

Please change the list of other countries in the infobox from:

Other countries

• Argentina
• Australia
• Canada
• Egypt
• Finland
• France
• Germany
• India
• Ireland
• Italy
• Japan
• Kuwait
• Lebanon
• Mexico
• Spain
• United Kingdom
• Yemen

to

Other countries

• Argentina
• Australia
• Belgium
• Canada
• Egypt
• Finland
• France
• Germany
• India
• Ireland
• Italy
• Japan
• Kuwait
• Lebanon
• Mexico
• The Netherlands
• Spain
• United Kingdom
• Yemen

Source: [3]

Speederzzz (Talk) (Stalk me) 07:18, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

I added Belgium and the Netherlands to List_of_pro-Palestinian_protests_on_university_campuses_in_2024#Other_countries. I'm not sure how adding just them to the infobox on this article is going to improve anything. Thanks for the new source. Kire1975 (talk) 08:39, 7 May 2024 (UTC)