Talk:Apple Pippin

Tacos?

The graphical engine/chipset in the Pippin was named 'tacos'? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.201.74.103 (talk) 14:23, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

I made the correction. The actual name of the graphical interface is "TAOS", as detected by TattleTech when you run this application on a Pippin. Groink (talk) 03:33, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Logo design

Before any editor even thinks about modifying the Pippin logo, read the official logo guidelines. http://www.macgeek.org/museum/pippin/downloads/pippinguidelines.pdf The current logo shape and color were a result of this document. Groink (talk) 03:55, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Pippin @World with SCSI port exists

I own a Pippin @World (black) model PW10001 manufactured on Sep 1996. The unusual things of the model I own are that it has 8Mb of RAM (not 6) as the KMP2000 version, power supply is 100-240V and there is a 50-pin SCSI port on the back. I think I have a predecessor of KMP2000 but still marked @World. So the hardware table in the article is not correct, I think it should be modified in order to include the model I have. 79.7.195.16 (talk) 22:39, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Are you the original owner of that unit? Could be an after-factory add-on by someone else. Or, it could be a hybrid KMP2000 body with a @world cover. Regardless, although you have the unit in front of you, you can't be a primary source. Check WP:SOURCES for more on this. All the information in this article is from secondary sources. Is there any documentation - printed or on-line, that shows an @world shipped from the factory with a SCSI external interface? Groink (talk) 05:51, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Thinking it over even further, you indeed have an unofficial hybrid. On a real KMP2000, the back of the metal frame inside has the cut-out for the 50-pin centronics connector. Neither the @world nor the ATMARK had this cut-out. If the 50-pin connector on yours is hanging out of the unit on a ribbon cable and not mounted on the metal frame with screws, then it is an add-on by a hardware hacker. Even if the bottom says it is a PW10001, the previous owner probably placed a KMP2000 motherboard into it. Also, the KMP2000 shipped with the 100-240V power supply. That would only mean that the unit was sold outside of the U.S. where 240v is the norm. And the @world was never intended to be sold outside of the U.S. Your motherboard has 8MB, which only the KMP2000 had. Last, look at the KINKA version of the ROM-BIOS in your unit. Use the chip IDs in the KINKA table. If it is KINKA 1.3, then congrats - you have a KMP2000 motherboard with a @world case. The @world never shipped with 1.3. Again, no primary sources are allowed here. Groink (talk) 07:56, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

One more I wanted to point out is the model number PW10001. Bandai has this part number in its catalog as a 6MB system. If Bandai indeed upgraded its @world to 8MB, it would have also changed the part number to something like PW10002 or similar. Anytime a manufacturer makes a change to a product, the part number changes. Groink (talk) 05:34, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi, I'm the actual owner of this Pippin. I'm pretty sure that it was not hacked in any way. My company bought it in 96/97 for developing software. If you're curious about it, I've uploaded some photos to a flickr album: My Pippin 82.52.129.174 (talk) 19:04, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

There is a remote possibility that Bandai threw parts from here and there together to make up a developer system. Why did it ship with the developer dongle even though the developer ROM (it was KINKA 1.3 at this point) didn't even need it? And, why did it still come with the ribbon SCSI and not the Katz Media base mounting? This is why the developer models are not listed in the table on this page - they're not consistent. Which is why only the for-retail models are listed. This policy is consistent with other Apple articles on Wikipedia. Groink (talk) 20:49, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Sorry for the late reply, but this SCSI port is definitely a post-manufacturing dev hack because you can see the ribbon cable through the seam of the case. Many developers hacked setups like this. Also, that 8MB module is an optional aftermarket item, so 6MB internal + 8MB module = 14MB of RAM (minus footprint of system software). Because a dongle was included, the ROM was most likely not C7 (not listed in the Wikipedia article, but elsewhere) and more likely the standard revision 1.2, which would allow booting from an external SCSI drive with the dongle. —Pippinitis (talk) 22:12, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

B-class assessment

I am requesting to have this article be rated as B-class. If there's any problems that need fixing, let me know. Groink (talk) 08:30, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

 Passed as B. -- ^t numbermaniac ^c 09:09, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Atmark Power Supply informations not correct?

I own a normal Atmark Pippin from Japan and it has a auto-switchable 100-240V power supply (printed above the power socket on all pictures of the "back" of the pippin i found in the net. Mine has the same informations. It is known that all versions of the Pippin are technical the same, only name and colors are changed. Could you correct this information? I tested mine on the German 230V power net, everything works fine.

Should be: Internal universal switching power supply, 100–240 v 25 w 50/60 Hz 0.5 A

Additional material

Excellent work on expanding this section, Groink!!

Most of the early work I did, but then other issues prevented me from continuing, plus you wrote it to Wiki standards. Well done!! I have a HUGE collection of Pippin material including paper advertising and catalogs. I have almost every title made. And I have 1 of each version of the Pippin (@world, Atmark, and KMP). I will try to start uploading a few images, including all 3 Pippins together. Flightsoffancy (talk) 15:01, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Release dates

The article currently states that the Pippin was released March 28, 1995 in Japan and September 1, 1995 in the USA. However, neither of the release dates are at all sourced so far as I can see, and the October 1995 issue of Next Generation has an interview with the general manager of the Power Player project in which he unambiguously states that the console hardware is still in development. Has anybody got any good sources on when the Pippin was released?--Martin IIIa (talk) 03:29, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

And now I've found an article in the December 1995 issue of Next Generation (page 22 to be precise) which says that Bandi originally announced a 1995 release for the Pippin, but pushed it back to March 1996 for Japan and June 1996 for the USA. This pretty unambiguously eliminates the possibility that the console was released on the dates stated in this article. Unless someone objects in the next three days, I'm going to go ahead and change the release date in the article and add the two Next Gen articles as sources.--Martin IIIa (talk) 01:54, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Took me a lot longer than I expected to get back to this, but there are still no objections, so I've gone ahead and made the changes. In the process I noticed that the Bonaire Insider article already cited here also establishes that the Pippin wasn't released until 1996. I still haven't found a source for the exact confirmed release date, though, so if anyone should have one please put it in.--Martin IIIa (talk) 13:24, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

The Pippin Atmark consoles began shipping on March 22, 1996,^[1] and first went on sale through 300 Japanese retailers on March 28, 1996.^[2] A lower-priced bundle went on sale in Japan on June 15, 1996.^[3] The Pippin @WORLD console's U.S. release date was pushed back to September 1996,^[4] but that slipped to November 1996,^[5] which was missed again. It did not ship in the U.S. until December 2, 1996 and likely arrived at participating retailers by early 1997.^[6] —Pippinitis (talk) 22:46, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

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Merger Proposal

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of this discussion was merge. (non-admin closure) TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 11:31, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

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Request received to merge articles: Apple_Bandai_Pippin into Apple_Pippin; dated: 10/2020. Proposer's Rationale: No need to have two articles on the same system. Discuss here. Jeff (talk) 17:58, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Merge Most of the content on Apple Bandai Pippin already exists on the Apple Pippin page, and there's no reason to have two separate articles - one of the platform and the other for the console. Jeff (talk) 18:08, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

No opposition to the proposal has been expressed after a week; proposer should consider proceeding with a BOLD merger. GenQuest ^{"Talk to Me"} 19:01, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Oppose Not against a move per se, but I believe it should be the other way around.JOJ ^Hutton 01:08, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Comment: It's been two weeks and the only difference expressed is the direction of the merger, so either of you, JeffyP or Jojhutton or another interested editor, could proceed Boldly at this point. Comments? GenQuest ^{"Talk to Me"} 13:38, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Oppose and comment: One is a technology platform by Apple Computer, and the other is a console marketed by Bandai that is based on that platform. That said, both are mistitled: "Apple Pippin" should be renamed "Pippin (Apple Computer)" in the same fashion in which the successor company (Apple Inc. since 2007) does not name its mobile phone platform "Apple iOS". "Apple Bandai Pippin" should be renamed "Pippin Atmark" because that is how Bandai branded it for commercial release. There is no Apple branding on it except for a small label indicating "Advanced Technology by Apple Computer". —Pippinitis (talk) 21:49, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

I second everything Pippinitis said; I came to these pages looking for info about Bandai's Atmark specifically. I wasn't really aware the Pippin was even a platform, and these articles do nothing to make that more clear in their current states. Tony Hell (talk) 21:51, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Support I agree with the reason for this proposal, there is no need to have two articles talking about the same thing.--JTZegers (talk) 16:55, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

  Y Merger complete. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 11:31, 29 December 2021 (UTC)