Talk:Anne Douglas, Countess of Morton

Name?

The article is named ANNE Villiers, but the text talks about ELIZABETH Villiers. The history shows that the name was changed by Creanaugusta, see: Comparison I can't find out why the name was changed, but something needs to be done as this is confusing.
Either the name change is reverted so the article once again talks about Anne
Or the article itself is renamed to Elizabeth Villiers.

193.176.235.94 (talk) 12:49, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

I have since removed all references to Elizabeth in the article and replaced them with Anne.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 09:11, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

The article says that the countess's daughter Lady Anne Douglas married William Keith 6th Earl Marischal in 1654. But the Wiki page for Keith says that he died in 1635. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.181.65.91 (talk) 14:05, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Ah, I have just read in Richard Ollard's Clarendon and His Friends that Lady Anne married the 7th Earl Marischal in or around 1654. There is no mention of this marriage, though, on his Wiki page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.181.65.91 (talk) 14:20, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Some more data points on Anne vs Elizabeth:

• The Scots Peerage (1909) calls her Elizabeth. (Vol 6 p. 378), though doesn't give a citation. The corrections volume adds an anecdote about her, but makes no variation as to her name. (Vol. 9, p. 141).
• The National Trust has a painting it believes to be of her, which it calls "Anne Villiers, Lady Dalkeith, later Countess of Morton (d. 1654)" [1]. A 1680 catalogue had listed it as "Lady Ann Keith, Countess of Morton (d.1648)".
• Decisive for our purposes is probably Cockayne, Complete Peerage, 2nd ed, vol IX (1936) p. 296, note (e): "Her name was Anne not Elizabeth. See Inst. Hist. Research Bulletin, vol ix, p. 138".
• That article (1931) is a set of corrections to the old DNB. It says [2] "her name is given incorrectly as Elizabeth in G.E.C. and Paul; it is given correctly in the pedigree in J. Nichols's Leicestershire, iii, 198". (1800)
• The new ODNB article on William the 7th Earl (2004, doi:10.1093/ref:odnb/7933) now indeed gives her name as Anne Villiers.

I have added a footnote to the article summarising the above. I haven't been able to consult Ollard, so I don't know if he gives any further clarification or footnote. It would be nice to know exactly what evidence was considered decisive, but none of the references above seem to do so. Possibly it may be even have been the names of the paintings - the National Trust one linked above, and the portraits in the article. Jheald (talk) 17:15, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

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