Talk:Anna Pavlova (gymnast)

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Edited for neutrality - "her scores were too low: some contend that she ought to have received silver on vault and bronze on beam." WHO contends this? Name reputable sources. There is written documentation that her all-around finish was dubious, but no one has contended any such thing about event finals.

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Nobody has contended any such thing about event finals? Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist! I've clarified that this discussion was among fans of the sport and given links to the two sites I've seen it on. Both are very big, popular forums with many posters and even more lurkers: I would contend that debate being had on there is good evidence of disagreement amongst fans on the issue.

If you don't agree that Pavlova was lowballed in event finals then fair enough, but its certainly true that plenty of followers of the sport, many of them very very knowledgeable, see the results as debatable. Of course, I should state that others would agree with the results too. The point being that they were indeed controversial. miss zara

But private, members-only password protected forums are NOT reputable sources, and not citable for serious research or an encyclopedia, either.

Also, neutrality. Remember, those are private forums. That means that those in charge get to control who is let in, what people say, and who is banned. This definitely influences general forum opinions. Those are all opinion boards, not sources which are monitored and checked for bias or even truthfulness. By your standards someone could go there, join, and post that Michael Jordan was the REAL Olympic all-around gymnastics champion in 2004, and that would be a citable source.

I appreciate what you're trying to say here, however the point I was making is that lots of fans of the sport (as opposed to one random eejit, which would be the case in your Michael Jordan example) dispute the result, not that the results are definitely wrong. Therefore citing places where fans state their views and debate results is the best evidence for this point. As evidence of argument existing amongst fans, these are very very reputable. If I were using these places to suggest that one argument is definitely right, then your point would stand. However I'm not, I'm using them as evidence of debate existing in the gymnastics fan community. Which it clearly does.

miss zara

Edited for POV - there is always a way of stating that results were contested, in a neutral narrative manner. Merosonox 02:36, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Okay thank you for your help here. miss zara

Hi I know how some people ask do you know a russiana dancer,I know lots of people ask you that alot,but I do her name is Anna Pavlvoa she is not alive right now sadly.You need some more facts yeah good because I have more research 4 you(I will tell you in class monday).

cleanup done, pov tag removed -- Steve Hart 22:24, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

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