Talk:Ann Scott (French novelist)

Bisexuality

I've removed Category:Bisexual writers from the article. While it states that bisexuality is a theme in her writing, it doesn't say she's bisexual (with a reference), and that's what the cat is for. Please re-add with a reference if one is found. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 19:12, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

That is perverse. It is sourced to her appearance on a national television show in France and an article in Nova magazine (February 2001). It is a recurrent theme in her writing. 62.64.205.182 —The preceding signed but undated comment was added at 23:53, August 21, 2007 (UTC).

I looked for the Nova article and wasn't able to find anything online. Is there a copy of it online? And does it say specifically that she's bisexual? Otherwise it's simply - like if it's implied - it's original research and not acceptable. I don't mean to be pushy about this, but it's part of WP:LGBT's project to have reliable references for each and every person tagged LGBT. If you can verify that it says that, and maybe we could be explicit about it in the article, that would be great.

Or maybe a link to which Nova magazine you mean? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 15:32, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

It's difficult to answer this question, because on one hand she did have affairs with women and it's known in Paris, with at least a photographer, a dj, a possible brief affair with actress Angelina Jolie that's not sourced, several with some top models of the eighties era, but on the other hand, bisexuality is not a theme in her wrrting as much as it appears to be. It's one of the subjects of her second novel, and her fith is entirely about a gay story, but all her other books don't talk about tha at all, so does that qualify for the category ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.70.92.4 (talk) 12:17, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

To 62.64.210.19

I don't understand why you changed all I did. I found it relevant to add that Dominique Tarlé is a french photographer, since he doesn't have a page on wiki and is not well known abroad. In fact he's only known for his book on the Stones. It was also relevant to add that Lenny Kaye is an american musician, since in the same sentence it's said that the others are french or english. Also, as I said above, bisexuality is not a theme in her writing, only two books out of six, and the link to the "plot of Heroin" doesn"t say that either, it just says that the fith book can be considered as a follow up to her to the second one. As for ufos, Camille Claudel and abyssinian cats, there is not quote for that, so where does it come from ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.70.92.4 (talk) 08:52, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

I can't find sources for that either. Olaf750 (talk) 13:47, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Also, when you have commas at the begining of a sentence, it means the person is actually speaking, therefore it's "I" instead of her, or take off the commas. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.70.92.4 (talk) 08:58, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

This has been fixed.Olaf750 (talk) 13:47, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

To 62.64.203.239

Why are you undoing everything I am changing and that makes sense ? You can't undo others's adds all the time and not explain yourself about it, and again this thing about saying "I" when there's commas, and removing links around names who don't have a page on Wiki, and so on, it does make perfect sense, so why are you touching this ? Olaf750. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Olaf750 (talk • contribs) 13:19, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

To Olaf150 and the 62.64 etc IP's you're using when not logged in

Why are you undoing everything I'm adding ? Isn't it relevant to you to remove the fact that Ann Scott was addicted to heroin from age 17 to 26 when there is no source for that as the articles connected to this subject only state that she was addicted when she lived in London, without any specification of for how long ? Isn't it relevant to translate properly the french citations ? isn't it better to change the lay out of the bibliography like it's being done for some other writers on Wiki UK ? Isn't it relevant to remove links around french people names who don't have a page here and therefore don't lead anywhere ? Isn't it relevant to say "I" instead of "she" when you open commas ? If you're interested in this page, why do you vandalize it all the time ? So may be you could explain yourself. You could also explain why when you create an account, you take a name so close to my own ? Olaf750 (talk) 15:49, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Bisexuality

Source n°3 refers to the "plot of the novel Heroine" as mentionned, but it doesn't not state that bisexuality is a theme in her writing. So either the sentence should be removed, either the citation should be changed and remplaced by a source that does state that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.70.92.4 (talk) 16:05, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

I tried to change that several times but user Olaf150 keeps undoing it, so...Olaf750 (talk) 13:51, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Changes

I checked everything Olaf750 added, and everything Olaf150 removed, and I made a few changes to keep every one happy. At least I hope... Someone still needs to find a source to say that bisexuality is a theme in her writing, as from what I checked, there's only two books out of six on that subject. Someone who has read her books in french or any other language should also talk about her work and what defines it, which would be more interesting than knowing if she likes UFO's or cats. I don't find myself good enough as a critic to do that, but it would be great if someone else does. Nathalie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.70.92.4 (talk) 16:22, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

To say she is bisexual and categorize her as such requires something different than that it be a theme in her writing - which doesn't really matter either way. What is needed is a source where she says she is bisexual. Does this exist? Aleta ^Sing 15:01, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Well in the article in "Nova" published in february 2001, even though I'm french I can't really understand what's being said. The journalist points out to Ann Scott that she has been in several strictly gay relatrionships, and Ann Scott doesn't deny that but doesn't really comment on it either. She just says she's feeling heterosexual "again" (2001). And whatever I've found that was published after that doesn't mention anything about her sexuality anymore. So really I don't know. Olaf750 (talk) 21:50, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Wrong sources

The source supposed to be about bisexuality being a recurrent theme in her writing was wrong, it only lead to a summary of the book on the publisher's site. There is a no doubt two of her books are about bisexuality, but that's not enough to say it's "recurrent".
The one supposed to be about her dating female models was wrong too, the right source is Vogue march 2005 and not Nova february 2001.
As for the translation of what she said on national tv about being gay and/or bisexual, the translation was obviously based on the french Wiki article, which in the first place contained an approximate citation of what she actually said. I have been able to fixed this on the french page and also here because I had seen that tv programm and remember what she had said. I find it important that this citation is translated properly, otherwise it could be a problem for Wiki to state something she never said. Even though I'm a straight male, I feel there is a big difference between saying "being gay is pathological" and "she felt that the times she was in a gay relationship made her act in a pathological way". Olaf750 (talk) 08:41, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers

I'm not sure this article should be in that project because she's neither a director nor an actor. It has been said in the press that she was meant to direct Superstars' motion picture when it was first signed, but she left the project, and even though she's listed in the screenwriters categorie because it's been said that she's working on a script, we don't know if she has signed anything to direct what she's writing. As for being an actor, apart from appearing in a couple of pop videos in the eighties, there doesn't seem to be any record of her being an actress.Olaf750 (talk) 08:49, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

New sections

I've reshaped some sections that appeared to be in the wrong order and I removed a few facts that I felt were irrelevant here (such as an interest in UFO's or an admiration for sculptor Camille Claudel. I looked around to see if these facts had anything to do with what she writes about, and they don't, therefore they didn't seem necessary to me. I hope that everyone will be ok with that. 86.70.92.208 (talk) 11:47, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Source the personal life section

It seems to me you can't name people she's supposed to have been with, unless there is a source for it. 77.194.217.166 (talk) 20:57, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

After checking it out, it seems there is no need for sources as long as we mention friendships or brief affairs, sources are only needed when a marriage or a long time relationship is involved. Being a writer and not an actress for example, Ann Scott doesn't appear in a certain kind of press all year long, therefore the people she knows are rather mentionned in interviews than in legends of paparazzi photos.Olaf750 (talk) 09:38, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Angelina Jolie

Also, even though the French Wiki accepts to mention that she had an affair with Jolie without sourcing it, the English Wiki does not. So there you go. Source before you include the names back. 77.194.217.166 (talk) 20:59, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Well this is a tricky one and no one really knows, so let's not mention it. Olaf750 (talk) 09:38, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

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