Talk:Andrew Deutsch

Notability and claims of collaboration

Under the heading "Life and work", the second paragraph begins "He [Deutsch] has collaborated with various artists, including: Harald Bode (posthumously)..." This is nonsense. "Collaboration" requires participation, or at least approval. Bode, who died in 1987, did neither of those things with Deutsch, who was 9 years old when Bode died. Deutsch no more "collaborated" with Bode than Marcel Duchamp "collaborated" with Leonardo on the former's artwork "L.H.O.O.Q.". Duchamp appropriated Leonardo's work. Likewise, Deutsch may have been influenced by Bode, or perhaps appropriated elements of Bode's work, but he did not collaborate with him. The sentence goes on to also claim that Deutsch "collaborated" with John Cage. This is likewise nonsense, given that Cage died in 1992, six years before Deutsch's first recording. Even more to the point is the non-notability of much that is included in this article. To wit: "Since 1998 Deutsch has released over 14 CDRs of solo electronic music on his Magic If Recordings label. Each Magic If edition showcases his experimental music and graphic art and is distributed exclusively in the United States by Anomalous Records." CDRs are very seldom notable, given that millions of them are "produced" every year by amateur musicians. And how does Deutsch's self-produced recording "showcase" his graphic art, as opposed to simply containing it? Wikipedia isn't a venue for self-aggrandizing hyperbole. His "label", "Magic If Recordings" is likewise non-notable (just 431 Google hits), and his "exclusive US distributor", Anomalous Records, seems to lack its own website, much less having its own Wiki. The list of other (living) musicians with whom Deutsch has allegedly collaborated, lacks any sources. In short, it seems that Deutsch just barely satisfies WP:N, but whatever information is included in this article must be both notable and properly sourced.

Bricology (talk) 08:18, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

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