Talk:Alister Murdoch/GA1

GA Review

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Hi! I have elected to review this article against the Good article criteria, and should have my initial comments posted up within the next hour or so. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 13:07, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

I have now completed reviewing this article and am placing it on hold pending some concerns outlined below. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 13:54, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

   I'm not the most knowledgable of persons in regards to aviation, but I think his discription as a "thin" flyer should be clarified further. On one hand, it appears as if Murdoch was not the best pilot due to that discription, but the phrase "flight experience" creates some confusion in conjuction to the "thin".

   That's really all there is in the source but I tend to agree it's a bit of a throwaway, so I might just drop it - that will also shorten the sentence, per your suggestion below. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 01:11, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

   Done. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 10:15, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

   "While his flight experience was later described as "thin",[5] the young Flying Officer was selected in December 1935 to join an RAAF rescue mission for explorer Lincoln Ellsworth and his pilot, Herbert Hollick-Kenyon, who were presumed lost while journeying across the Antarctic." - this sentence is a little wordy, and could do with some splitting up.

   As above. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 01:11, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

   Done. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 10:15, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

   "He advocated the F-104 Starfighter as a replacement for the CAC Sabre, two years before latter had entered squadron service with the RAAF ..." - "two years before latter had" huh? I'm guessing there is ment to be a "the" in there. Also, is it ment to mean that the CAC Sabre was being replaced two years before it was to enter service or two years after it had? I'm getting mixed messages here ...

   The "the" is certainly right. I think with the comma where it is it indicates he was putting forward a recommendation for the Sabre's replacement two years before the Sabre entered service. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 01:11, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

   Tweaked a bit. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 10:15, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

   "He clashed with the Chief of the General Staff (CGS), Lieutenant General Sir John Wilton, over the latter's recommendation in mid-1965 to deploy two UH-1 Iroquois helicopters to Vietnam to enable both services to gain familiarisation with air/ground operations in the region before large-scale commitment of Australian forces." - this sentence could probably do with some splitting up as it is a little long.

   See what I can do. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 01:11, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

   Done. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 10:15, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

   Is it known why Murdoch transferred to the RAAF in 1930?

   Appears in fact he entered Duntroon as an RAAF cadet, the transfer was just to another location for pilot training, not from one service to another. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 10:15, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

   What kind of "maritime patrol operations" did he undertake, and of what nature was the navy cooperation?

   Would you be able to expand further on the Lincoln Ellsworth and Herbert Hollick-Kenyon rescue mission? It just seems a little abrupt and short.

   Some expansion and clarification is needed in the "World War II" section I think:

   • While commanding No. 221 Squadron RAF, what kind of operations did the unit partake? Obviously reconnaissance and anti-submarine patrols out of Iceland, but anything major? Also, did Murdoch participate in any operations or sorties during this time? What did the unit do in Middle East?

   Added a bit more on what 221SQN did in ME - no further info. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 10:15, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

   • What did Murdoch do at Combined Operations Headquarters?

   Done. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 10:15, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

   • What did he do as SASO of Eastern Area Command and North-Western Area Command?
   • Why was he Mentioned in Despatches?
   • What did Murdoch do to earn praise during the Battle of Balikpapan, and by whom?

   Praise was for his staff work, as mentioned - no further info. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 10:15, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

   • Is there any more information on what he was appointed a CBE?

   Done. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 10:15, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

   What was so significant about the purchase of the C-130?

   Done. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 10:15, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

   What did he do while seconded to the Department of Defence in 1956?

   Done. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 10:15, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

   Is there any more information on what he was appointed a CB?

   Would it be possible to expand further on Murdoch's doings between 1956 and 1965?

   Added something that happened during time as AOC OPCOM - there's zilch that refers to him directly. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 10:48, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

   Is there any more information on his later life? It's quite sparce and leaves a few questions.

   As a general response to all of the above, there's little further detail about him amongst the sources, but I'll recheck to see if anything can be added to the areas you mention. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 01:11, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

   Per above, if I haven't responded to a point, there's no additional info I can ascertain. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 10:15, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

   Not much, but see here for a [very] ruff idea of why he was MID. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 10:46, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

   Well done - missed that but might be able to incorporate. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 11:04, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Well, I am now satisfied that any and all of my concerns have been adequately addressed, and as such I am promoting this article. Congratulations and well done! Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 10:59, 8 January 2009 (UTC)