Talk:Ali al-Rida

Biography assessment rating comment

The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- KGV (Talk) 08:32, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Arabic script

I can't seem to edit the script on this page to get it to format it properly. If you look carefully, it says Arabic 1 and then the Arabic script, followed by January, where the one is supposed to follow the arabic script and precede the month.Pepsidrinka 04:09, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Date of birth and death?

What's this person's date of birth and death? In the article it states something different than in the block on the right. And on the page for July 25, he is also listed. But July 25 is never even mentioned in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DNME666 (talk • contribs) 06:00, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

98 ALINAQVI121472 (talk) 15:41, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Quotations

The quotes seem to use very odd, often unclear, English. Since it is obvious the speakers were not speaking English, were they, in truth, using poor grammar and odd diction or is this a problem with the translation? It seems to me that it is the latter, but, of course, I have no way of knowing.

Neutrality,Factuality and Balance of opinions

I believe that the portion on the 'Features of the mortality of al-Rida'. I believe that it should be clearly stated that only Shi'a consider Imams as infallible. By only presenting the Shi'a view on this topic and blatantly ignoring the Sunni view, I feel that the article is highly biased and neutrally imbalanced. As per such, I have placed tags on the portion. I personally would recommend a deletion followed by a more factual re-write. Thank you. --Paradoxicalengineer 05:21, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree, It's a not NPOV and it's completely biased. It Must be fixed ASAP by someone who has knowledge on the topic, who is neutral and preferably, not religious. --Arad (talk) 17:48, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

I believe the last paragraph in the section Death does not contain any any verifiable content at all. It is merely a biased opinion and does not cite any references either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.171.252.101 (talk) 14:59, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

apparently , some here believe that it is only ibn teymiah who should be praised without subjecting him to the least of criticism although there is much more of what is worthy of criticism in ibn teymiah than in Imam Reza. ibn teymia was imprisoned by the legitimate Sunni authorities of his day ( and he died in prison ) for his views which stated that God has a material body... his followers today ( ibn baz and others ) insist that , in accordance with a certain hadith, God places his leg in hell. They interpret the verse which says " and the Hand of God is above thier hands " to be proof of God's possession of a material hand ... and those who interpret it to be a metaphor for strength, or control, are denounced as heretics of the jehmi, or asha'ari sects ( none of the two are Shia ) ... the current followers of ibn teymia even insist that God is sitting up in the sky .

Ask any of their shiekhs about this, and they will tell you that God has hands and legs that are worthy of his Glory.

if that is the case, then tell us, is His Glory limited ? God's Glory is infinite, for He would be limited if His Glory were to be limited, and God is limitless.

so, for a leg and hands to be worthy of His (infinite) Glory, the worthiness of these hands and legs must be infinite too. if the worthiness of the hands and legs was infinite, doesnt that mean that the hands and legs have became Gods in themselves ? if they are limited in any way, then they cant be worthy of God's infinite glory ... so they have to be unlimited, in which case, they become Gods themselves.

please find yourselves a proper God first, and forsake ibn teymia who was imprisoned by the Sunni authorities ( and not the Shia ) , then come along and ask for neutrality. understood ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.140.183.142 (talk) 19:26, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

concerning the question of whether or not the Sunnis consider him infallible, there is a general consensus that the Imam has not been recorded to have committed any wrong. If such records exist, I challenge anyone who reads this to bring them up. Quite on the contrary, all of the Moslem sects agree upon the unparalleled supremacy of his moral character, which far exceeds that of certain individuals like yezid, who is actually defended by some contemporary scholars (in spite of vehement words of utmost contempt and criticism that the original Sunni scholars like Suyuti, fired at yezid) who think that heaven and hell are the property of some of the most perverted individuals ever to have walked on the face of this earth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.140.183.142 (talk) 19:11, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Ridha or Reza or Rida ???

Ridha??? Imam Reza is his name and that he is called. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ditc (talk • contribs) 07:29, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

We use the Arabic titles, not the Persianized ones. For example, this calls him Imam al-Rida as well. --♥pashtun ismailiyya 08:03, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Importance of Imam Reza

A very respected scholar of Shia religion recently noted that, imam reza is not one of the holiest and perhaps emphasised for misled interests. He noted that a man such as khoemini, who inspired a revolution, who was highly knowledgable about the faith, never once visited mashad imam reza's shrine.just my two cents about this, i think the site has historical, religious significance but it is perhaps exaggerated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.80.104.39 (talk) 04:20, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I think you need to clear your fundamentals. If you are a Muslim, a Shia & a Athna-Ashari then you may have heard hadeeth "Aw'wal'na Muhammad^s.a.w.a. ... Kulllana Muhammad^s.a.w.a.". Reason of imphasis on Imam Musa al-Reza^a.s. is due to the fact that he is the only Imam who is buried in a land where Shia have been in majority and power for very long so its easily ascessible for ziyarat and envoironment is favourable and friendly. You can't even think of reciting a Fateha at tomb of Prophet^s.a.w.a. save Aa'im'ma^a.s. in Saudi Arabia and in Iraq everybody is aware of conditions since decades. Regarding Aqa'e Khumaini(this fact is beyond my drop of knowledge) I'll say that Imam Hasan Askari^a.s. never went for Hajj in physical form and going or avoiding of some Ulema to a place does not change its importance. Imam Musa al-Reza^a.s. importance is same as other Imams from Imam Ali^a.s. to Imam Mahdi^a.s. (they all are one and same in virtues and deeds).

I hope that you will not be satisfied by my reply/explanation, you are welcome to my talk page for further discussions(if willing).

--Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haider Rizvi (talk) 06:49, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Resolving NPOV

Reviewed the comments earlier posted about NPOV. I found them to be related to two sections namely "Death" and "...Morality...". Had to change the subject of the latter to be more neutral. Also, removed terms and sentences that were either not-provable or not neutral. If you still find the article agains NPOV, please discuss it here by providing details. Feel free to send me a message through the talk page.Kazemita1 (talk) 22:36, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Move Request

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 18:33, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Ali Al-Ridha → Ali al-Ridha – The "Al" should not be capitalised as per the names of the other Shia Imams (see: Template:Shia Imams). Shiite (talk) 15:32, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

• Support – al- is an article. As the title should follow sentence-case, it should be in lower case. --Article editor (talk) 17:27, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

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Reliable sources should be added

@Salman mahdi, sa.vakilian The article lacks reliable references. Please help with finding suitable secondary sources to enhance the quality. Consequently, we may nominate it at GA list if it meets the criteria. Mhhossein (talk) 06:57, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Salman mahdi, sa.vakilian,Mhhossein Hello. I am going to help improve this article a little bit. Hadi.anani (talk) 06:13, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Hadi.anani As you know, I inserted some reliable references some months ago and altered the article very much. Then you started your job. That you are going to edit it further is a good news. Please consider clarifying your possible major changes in the talk page. Mhhossein (talk) 07:07, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

These are some of my suggestions:

1. Modern work on Imam by Madelung: [1]
2. Shia biography about Imam's life: [2]
3. Shia biography (full view): [3]
4. About Mashhad: [4]
5. About Ali al-Ridha in modern culture and art [5]Seyyed(t-c) 03:12, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Infobox Pic

@Alborzagros: What's your motivation for changing the picture of infobox? Mhhossein (talk) 06:42, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

@Mhhossein: Not any special reason. I glued it like picture here. [6] Alborzagros (talk) 06:52, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Alborzagros: I think the former pic was encyclopedic while the current one is not. Mhhossein (talk) 07:20, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

@Mhhossein:The former one is not removed. I replaced it somewhere else in article.Alborzagros (talk) 07:34, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Alborzagros: However, The current one is not encyclopedic, IMO. Mhhossein (talk) 10:43, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Where?

Emir of Wikipedia, Mhhossein: I've read the note about "Iran" meaning the same as "Persia", but I'm not sure why the infobox must call Iran "Iran, Islamic Republic of". Surely this too means the same as "Persia"? Quasar G ^{t - c} 23:24, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

That was my point. Iran on its own means the same as Persia, so we should differentiate by including the "Islamic Republic of".Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 08:40, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Emir of Wikipedia - what I mean is, surely if Persia = Iran and Iran = Islamic Republic of Iran, then by logic Persia = Islamic Republic of Iran. And if "Iran" and "Persia" refer to the same swathe of land, then there's no need to disambiguate anyway. Quasar G ^{t - c} 11:02, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

I think the current wording, "Now Iran, Islamic Republic of," is more accurate. --Mhhossein ^talk 14:30, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

@Mhhossein – Why? What's wrong with simply "Iran", and, failing that, what's wrong with "Islamic Republic of Iran"? Quasar G ^{t - c} 14:51, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

I'm not objecting any of them. --Mhhossein ^talk 14:58, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Oh, ok. Do you mind if I change it to "Iran" then? Quasar G ^{t - c} 15:21, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

I would expected Emir of Wikipedia's opinion, too. --Mhhossein ^talk 17:20, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

I will change it to Iran, but keep the now bit to clarify that it is a different entity. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 20:46, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

revered mother of imam

because of white complexion of the revered seventh Imam ; her mother could not be a berber; there where at the same time slaving daughters in the british isles and carrying them to maghreb; there fore she could be either a Brits or Spanish; the same for the mother of revered eigth Imam; that was also a slave from Maghreb ; that there was mentioned a talk from christian woman saying something about the future of mother of imam at time there were in baghdad; this could be a clue that she was also Brits.But these are just pure speculation;Not based on thehistory. Amir Arab — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.157.144.74 (talk) 12:30, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

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Date of death

This article has several different values for the date of death. In the infobox, it says 17 Safar, or 6 June 818, but introduction puts the Gregorian date at 23 August 818. Later in the "Death" section, it says the precise date is unknown, and the "Reciting the sermon" section places his death on 30 Safar. So something is messed up here. —howcheng {chat} 17:12, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
Researching this date for an unusual reason this year of 2019 AD 176B.E. I found the most widely accepted date by scholars is the last day of Saraf. That would make the 30 Saraf date the correct one. This is also when the Martyrdom is observed in Iran, so I would go with that date. Ekmsid (talk) 22:52, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

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Al-Dhahabi

Al-Dhahabi never held hatred against the ahlul bait, in fact his books are filled with praise for them! to claim that "Al-Dhahabi, known for his enmity towards the Ahl al-Bayt, could not help but acknowledge" is a blatant lie and cause for sectarian tension. also, the ref given is to a website that is no longer active and takes you to a page with viruses! It's contradictory that he hated ahlul bait when in the same section you say that he praised ahlul bait! I ask this part to be removed or changed because this simply isn't true! AmirsamanZare (talk) 14:41, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

AmirsamanZare Where is your proof? And when I mean proof, I mean what WP:RS support your view? Leo1pard (talk) 16:25, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Leo1pard Here are some statements from Al-Dhahabi about ahlul bait:

“The noble and complete Imam, the grandson of the Messenger of Allâh and his sweet scented plant (Rayhanah) from the world, his beloved one, Abu Abdullah Al-Hussein bin (the son of) Amir AlMu’minin (Prince of the Believers) Abu AlHassan Ali bin Abi Talib bin Abdul Muttalib bin Hashim ibn Abdu Manaf bin Qusai, the Quraishian and the Hashemite”.

“The honorable Imam Zain AlA’bidin, the Hashemite, the descendant of Ali, the Medinian”.

And finally “He is the honorable Imam Abu Ja’afar Muhammad bin Ali bin Al-Hussein bin Ali Al-Alawi, Al-Fatimi, AlMadani, the son of Zain Al-Abidin… He was one of those who combined between knowledge and work, honor and dignity, reliability and calmness. He was fit for the Caliphate, and he is one of the twelve Imams whom the Imamate Shiites glorify and believe that they are infallible and sinless and that they know all about the religion. Indeed none is infallible and sinless except the Angels and the Prophets. Everyone can be right or wrong, and his word can be accepted or rejected save that of the Prophet, verily he was infallible and assisted with divine revelation. Abu Ja’afar was famously known as AlBa’qir from the word “baqara al-ilm” to rip open knowledge i.e. to cut it, (this means) he knew its source of origin and its secrets, Abu Ja’afar was a hardworking Imam, a reciter of the Holy Qur’an, great…”.

As you clearly can see, Ad Dhahabi is calling members of ahlul bait Imams and leaders of the Muslims. If he had hated them he would not have called them imams or accepted their khelafah! There are more statements by Dhahabi about the family of the prophet but I feel like this should be sufficient. AmirsamanZare (talk) 16:53, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

References

Al-Ridha's merits

"Al-Dhahabi, though critical of the Shi'ah, could not help but acknowledge al-Ridha's merits" makes it sound like sunnis consider Ridha shia, but that's not the case. according to the sunni tradition, all the twelve imams were part of ahlul sunnah wa jammah. I suggest that It changes to "Ad-Dhahabi mentions (name of the books where the qoute comes from) that ...." If Dhababi had thought that Imam Rida belonged to the twelver shia sect and preached that he was all-knowing, infallible and controlled the atoms of the universe he wouldn't have praised him.

Ibn Taymiyyah mentions in his Minhaaj al-Sunnah (6/387) that: "Ali ibn Moosa al-Rida, Muhammad ibn ‘Ali ibn Moosa al-Jawaad, ‘Ali ibn Muhammad ibn ‘Ali al-‘Askari, and al-Hasan ibn ‘Ali ibn Muhammad al-‘Askari. Concerning them, Shaykh al-Islam (Ibn Taymiyah) said: They did not show a great deal of knowledge such that the ummah might benefit from them, nor did they have any authority by means of which they could help the ummah. Rather they were like any other Haashimis, they occupy a respected position, and they have sufficient knowledge of what which is needed by them and expected of people like them; it is a type is knowledge that is widely available to ordinary Muslims. But the type of knowledge that is exclusive to the scholars was not present in their case. Therefore seeks of knowledge did not receive from them what they received from the other three. Had they had that which was useful to seekers of knowledge, they would have sought it from them, as seekers of knowledge are well aware of where to go for knowledge."

Shaykh Muhammad Saalih al-Munajjid says about the imams of the twelver shia: "As for the imams to whom they claim to belong, they are innocent of this lie and falsehood"

The quotes above shows that scholars of ahlul sunnah don't see the twelve imams as shia, rather as normal sunni scholars. Therefore I ask that the text be changed. AmirsamanZare (talk) 22:45, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Leo1pard May I change this article based on the statements above without you or someone else removing it?? AmirsamanZare (talk) 13:17, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

AmirsamanZare I changed that section. Leo1pard (talk) 18:19, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

References

New edits

Most of the material from poor sources (websites and such) was replaced with similar content from better sources, which meant also rewriting much of the article. New information about succession and character were added, among other changes. Some of the changes are highlighted below:

• Replaced al-Ridha with al-Rida everywhere per MOS; see Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Arabic#Consonants.
• The paragraph "On the eleventh of..." is sourced from a website.
• "Ali was born one month after the death..." is not in the source.
• "It is said that the boy al-Ridha required a great deal of milk..." does not seem to be encyclopedia-worthy content and it only appears in Donaldson's work (1933).
• Except for its opening sentence (which is unrelated to the title of the section), the rest of "Admonishment of his brother" is unreliably sourced.
• "His mother, Najmah, was also a distinguished and pious lady." is not in the source.
• "...especially Imam Musa al-Kadhim, who would..." is unreliably sourced. Same issue with the rest of the section 'Designation as Imam', save for three sentences.
• "The Shia of al-Ma'mun's era, like the Shia of today, who made a large population of al-Ma'mun's Iran, regarded the Imams as their leaders who must be obeyed in all aspects of life, spiritual and terrestrial, as they believed in them as the real caliphs of Muhammad" is considerably different from the source.
• "Thirdly, he intended it to fool other Shias..." is unsourced. The rest of the section 'Contemporary political situation' is unreliably sourced (except perhaps the last couple of sentences) and contains long quotes.
• "Disputes exist regarding the number of his offspring and their names..." and other information about family life are unreliable.
• "According to some accounts, Ma'mun's main objective.." doesn't come from a reliable source.
• The section 'Imam Reza shrine' is mostly sourced from websites and seems marginally related. There is also a separate Wiki article about it. Similar content were added from the work of Momen.
• "The Imam advised him to solve the problem by dismissing him from his position" is not in the source.
• "It is regarded as the most precious Islamic literature in the science of medicine," is not in the source.
• According to the Iranica article about al-Jawad (and other sources), he was the only child of al-Rida.
• "He was an Imam of knowledge according to the Zaydi (Fiver) Shia school." in the lead is apparently unsourced.
• "Al-Dhahabi praised al-Ridha's by saying "He (al-Ridha') is Imam..." was replaced with similar content from reliable sources in a new section called 'Character'.
• A new section about succession to al-Rida was added. Thanks! Albertatiran (talk) 16:57, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi Albertatiran. Your changes have introduced multiple no target errors, which I'm currently trying to correct. Separately you appear to have added many{{sfn}}s without page numbers, do you have the page details? - LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 17:03, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Could you supply the details of which work these refer to?

Rizvi 2006a

Rahim 2004

Kohlberg 2022

Mavani 2013

Skyes 2013

Rivzi 2006

Sharif al-Qurashi 1992

Unless there is a full cite for these {{sfn}}s to link to, the they are much worse than the web cites they replaced. - LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 17:08, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

@ActivelyDisinterested: Thanks for catching that. Added the missing sources. The page numbers for encyclopedia articles are given under 'Sources'. The only source with missing page numbers seems to be Sharif al-Qurashi which is not a very reliable one and is only cited by previous editors for the quotes in the last section. I kept those for now since the quotes are uncontroversial and I couldn't find an alternative source. Albertatiran (talk) 11:09, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Is Rivzi 2006 a typo of Rizvi 2006? - LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 11:18, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

A typo indeed. Fixed :) Albertatiran (talk) 11:41, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

date of death

June 6, 818 is the wrong date. It is equal to 27/11/202 AH. The correct date is September 5, 818 which corresponds to 29/2/203 AH. Aminabzz (talk) 15:51, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

Tus didn't replace with Mashhad

Tus and Mashhad are two separate places. Tus still exists today. In fact, Mashhad was a village called Sanabad at that time; while Tus was a more important city. But now Mashhad is a great city while Tus is a village (just like Tehran and Ray). Ali al-Rida was killed in Tus; that's true. But al-Ma'mun ordered his body to be buried in his father's tomb (Harun al-Rashid) in Sanabad. Aminabzz (talk) 17:51, 17 September 2023 (UTC)