Talk:Albert Bonass/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Cloudz679 (talk · contribs) 20:12, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

• I will review this article according to the criteria. C679 20:12, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
• Interested in his date of birth. The GRO lists births by the quarter registered and not necessarily born. GRO also appears to fall under WP:PRIMARY. Since there are sources providing a specific date, it is unclear why this date is not apparent in the infobox and in the lead. Additionally there doesn't seem to be any provision in MOS:DATEFORMAT for quarters.
  • Yes, sorry, I know perfectly well the quarter applies to registration and not birth: obviously wasn't thinking. Changed to just 1911 (which makes MOS:DATEFORMAT and quarters of theoretical interest only) and sourced to Chesterfield F.C. website. WP:PRIMARY says "A primary source may only be used on Wikipedia to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge." I'd suggest that the educated person wouldn't need any specialised knowledge and wouldn't be performing original research to accept that registration in 1911 denies the possibility of birth in 1912, and that we shouldn't be putting a birth date in lead and infobox if we know it to be wrong.
• Unsure why "He was married with a daughter" is present in the lead.
  • Lead upsumming article? No particular attachment to its inclusion, so removed.
• Stats need references. In the infobox I can see 77 (31) for Hartlepools but in the body only 43 (23) in his first season from all competitions and only 13 goals (is that league or all competitions?) with no appearance info for his second season. Chesterfield stats also need an explicit reference. Many GAs for footballers have a stats table in the body where season-by-season breakdowns are listed and references given inline.
  • The opening sentence, which contains the total league goals and appearances, is referenced. I've repeated the reference in a subsection in the references list, pending a stats table. As Chesterfield and Hartlepool have online stats for all comps, and if I ask Mattythewhite nicely he'll probably fill in the York row, there'd be enough cup stats to warrant one. Have added "in all competitions" for Hartlepool 2nd season goals.
• "Trial" should be linked in the Hartlepools United section
  • I've linked it to Glossary of association football terms#T for trialist, but fully expect someone to de-link it as a plain English word
• "He began the 1934–35 Football League season in the starting eleven, scored – after two minutes of the visit to Walsall, the home goalkeeper "failed to deal with a centre by Hird, and Bonass dashed in and headed the ball out of his hands into the net"[12] – and continued as both regular selection and regular scorer, with 23 goals from 43 matches in all competitions in his first season.[13]" consider making this two or three sentences
  • reworded
• link "parried", although the term doesn't currently appear at parry nor glossary of association football terms, so perhaps a different word would be more suitable
  • I'm reluctant to change that. "Parried" is just a plain English word, not a technical term: see e.g. Oxford Learners Dictionary, and offhand, I can't think of a suitable alternative. "Deflect" doesn't mean the same. "Pushed out" isn't particularly encyclopedic in tone...
• In the Chesterfield section, fn 19 and 5 are listed after the first sentence. I can't find the guideline but I remember that these should be listed numerically.
  • It happens. They ended up that way round because originally 5 was first used after 19, but then got re-used higher up. I've reversed them, but there is no guideline. Having them back to front offends some people's sense of orderliness, and one of the tools, possibly AWB, has it as a common fix to put them in numerical order.
• "Chesterfield finished in mid-table" mid-table seems to be an adverbial, so perhaps "finished mid-table" would read better
  • Not convinced. Seems to me it can equally well mean "a position in the middle of the table", in which case it would need the preposition. Both constructions are used in similar contexts in literate BritEng sources (guardian.co.uk, independent.co.uk)
• "Clifton" links to Harry Clifton but his first name is not obvious from the text. Consider "and [Harry] Clifton"
  • Done
• "He was injured against Nottingham Forest in December, which broke a run of 19 consecutive appearances" quite amusing wording, suggest "broke a run" is reworded to "ended a sequence" or similar
• "He was injured against Nottingham Forest in December, which broke a run of 19 consecutive appearances,[26] but came back to help his team reach the FA Cup fifth round,[27] in which they lost to Tottenham Hotspur only after a replay in front of a 50,000 crowd at White Hart Lane.[28][29]" This could be broken down into two or three sentences to improve readability
  • Glad you picked up on that, there's a bit missing in the middle :-) Wonder if the lack of readability is just my normal long-windedness, or did I chop a line out by mistake? Reworded, anyway
• Suggest using the surname instead of pronoun at the start of the third paragraph in the Chesterfield section
  • done
• His time at QPR doesn't seem to be fully supported by references. The body of the article mentions three appearances in 39/40, then the wartime league for the same club, the same season. No more info about QPR is mentioned. However the infobox lists him as a QPR player until 1945.
  • Added another couple of page numbers to [47], and it now says "He played some 30 times for QPR thereafter,[47] and guested for clubs including..." QPRnet lists him as their registered player all through the war years, and there's no evidence for his having transferred elsewhere.
• "Style of play" section should follow his football career and not split it
  • It does follow his football career. The Second World War section is about what Mr Bonass did in the Second World War, some of which was playing football when available to do so. His football career would have resumed once he was demobbed, had he got that far.
• Per Wikipedia:Paragraphs, "One-sentence paragraphs are unusually emphatic, and should be used sparingly"
  • fixed
• All in all a pretty strong candidate article – I look forward to your responses. C679 23:11, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Thank you for taking the time and trouble to do the review. I've replied to all your points. The stats table hasn't arrived yet, but it will. has arrived now, thanks to Matty for his input. cheers, 20:04, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
    • Great, swift action to address the issues identified above. The article now meets the criteria and I am closing this review as a pass. Good job. C679 21:04, 2 January 2015 (UTC)