Talk:Academic studies of the political groups of the European Parliament

Another paper from Faas

The Difference Between Real and Potential Power: Voting Power, Attendance and Cohesion Anameofmyveryown (talk) 01:23, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Another paper from HNR

Dimensions of Politics in the European Parliament Anameofmyveryown (talk) 12:42, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Another one from HNR

Democracy in the European Parliament Anameofmyveryown (talk) 12:56, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Note: good source on group positions for EP1 thru 5, group participation (went up dramatically post94 - genesis of the Grand Coalition?), group positions on the Santer Commission and the Takeover directive. Anameofmyveryown (talk) 20:09, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Dahlberg & Oscarsson

"Mapping the European Party Space: Does Party System Simplicity produce Democratic Legitimacy?" Anameofmyveryown (talk) 22:56, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Over interpretation of the statistical map

Interesting article. Though the map from the figure in the Hix and Noury paper is over interpreted. The vertical dimension is not clearly a European dimension. In the technique they use, the map is created from the pattern of votes between MEPs. They infer the meaning of the dimensions from the location of the parties on the map. It is obvious that the horizontal dimension is the left/right dimension. The second dimension is less clear, though the authors infer from the parties located along this axis that it is likely to be a European dimension. It can however include other aspects. For instance the authors note that it is also an opposition vs governing parties dimension.

In the present article it seems that the dimension is clearly a pro/anti Europe one and that the party place on this axis gives us an information about their political position. This interpretation is misleading as actually it is from the existing knowledge of the political position of the parties that the meaning of the axis is suggested to be pro/anti European. In addition, this dimension is likely not to be about Europe only. Interpreting it as a strict European dimension is misleading. The authors say on this point:

"The second dimension is more difficult to interpret. At face value, this dimension appears to represent anti-/pro-Europe policy preferences: toward the top of the figure are the more pro-European parties (Socialists, Conservatives, and Liberals), and near the bottom are the more anti-European parties (Radical Left, Greens, Nationalists, and Anti-Europeans). A more-detailed analysis of MEP locations reveals that this second dimension also captures government-opposition interests in the European Union: MEPs from national parties that are in government appear near the top on this second dimension; MEPs from national parties in opposition appear near the bottom (Hix, Noury, and Roland 2006)."

Instead of this figure where the meaning of the dimensions is not clear a priori, I would suggest to use the Figure 2 (p. 26) of McElroy and Benoit (2005) where the dimension meaning is set a priori, and experts are asked to locate the parties. One notable difference from the figure in the present wikipedia article is that the ELDR looks much more pro-European than simply "Euroneutral".Gpeilon (talk) 23:56, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

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Should drop "academic studies of the" in the title.

Most of the content is under the Results section, which means the subject of this article is the groups, not the studies. --Yel D'ohan (talk) 09:24, 29 May 2019 (UTC)