Talk:A Saucerful of Secrets/Archive 1

Archive 1

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Capitol Records is NOT the original label for this album. RedWolf 16:22, Sep 19, 2004 (UTC)

Title

Anyone know where the title for the album comes from? KrisW6 16:40, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

I believe it refers to flying saucers. --Talisen 19:25, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, maybe Syd Barrett himself discovered the secret of Flying Saucers (you reached for the secret too soon, you cried for the moon), and became mad. Anyway, they used to play in that club named UFO, and possibly there is some reference on that.--Doktor Who 19:39, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Vegetable man

Ive added this to the article because i think that it is relevant. If u believe otherwise you can take it off. I also think that an article talking about both "vegetable man" and "scream thy last scream" should be created even though they were never officially released. - Ummagumma23 12 november 2006

The vocals on Corporal Clegg

That's twice now someone's changed "Nick Mason" to "Richard Wright" on the list of singers for the track "Corporal Clegg" (see main article). Why is this? --The guy with the axe - aaaaaaargh!!! 19:47, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Cause Mason doesn't sing on that track, or any Pink Floyd song for that matter (save for spoken-word on "One of These Days"). Listen to the chorus of the song (starting with the lyric "Mrs. Clegg...."). That's Wright in the background. -- Barrelofagun69

If Wright is in the background in the refrain, that's not a LEAD vocal. Mason does sing the "He won it in the war" section in the verse, as you would know if you'd read the song's article or Mason's own article. Therefore, I'm about to put the article right a third time. --The guy with the axe - aaaaaaargh!!! 19:38, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Well I mispoke. The "Mrs. Clegg" chorus. Listen to it. Does that sound like anybody else BESIDES Wright? Therefore, it's a lead vocal. I've never heard about Mason singing on the song before; it sure doesn't sound like him. But instead of deleting him, I'll simply add Wright at the end, since I know that's his voice on the chorus... Barrelofagun69

That'll do, I guess --The guy with the axe - aaaaaaargh!!! 17:12, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

And some jackass replaced Mason with Wright again. It wasn't me this time! I had added Wright to the end, after Waters. I don't know who replaced it that time. --Barrelofagun69

Okay, I'm with you guys about David and Nick singing on it, and I realize that that's Rick on the chorus and will call it a lead vocal if you guys insist, but where are you guys getting Roger? I have never heard anything about Roger singing any part of the song. I don't even see anybody mentioning that he's listed there, or discussing whether he sings on it. What part of that song could he be singing?

--Rock Soldier 22:14, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Come to think of it, Waters only seems to sing harmony on that one. The guy with the axe - aaaaaaargh!!! 10:01, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm removing it then. What did we decide on the issue of how "lead" the vocals that Rick sings are?

---Rock Soldier 23:20, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

This response is long overdue, of course. But if we don't consider Waters's vocals "lead", then I'd say Wright's vocals aren't, either. Therefore, the article will now read: David Gilmour and Nick Mason. --The guy with the axe - aaaaaaargh!!! (talk) 22:46, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Further to my last. I was just about to change it when I noticed that SOMEBODY had removed Mason AGAIN! --The guy with the axe - aaaaaaargh!!! (talk) 22:50, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Wright vocals & "Corporal Clegg"

There seems to be some dispute as to whether Wright sings part of the lead on "Corporal Clegg." What part does he supposedly sing lead on? I don't hear any, unless the "Mrs. Clegg" part (with multiple harmonies and no clear lead voice) is supposed to be it? - (199.101.174.31 (talk) 19:37, 3 October 2011 (UTC))

Barrett on Corporal Clegg

Some source I've read in the late 15 years and over (since I'm a Floyd Fan), refer to the presence of Barrett playing guitar with Gilmour also in CORPORAL CLEGG. Is it true?--Olbia merda (talk) 07:44, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:A Saucerful of Secrets/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Ritchie333 (talk · contribs) 13:00, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

A single {{fact}} tag and subsequent sourcing probably don't count as "significant contributions", so I'll give this a go. --Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:00, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Okay, initial findings are as follows :

Lead

• The grammar / punctuation on the first sentence on the second paragraph doesn't look right
• "Due to Barrett's erratic behaviour becoming increasingly unstable" - probably want to tone this down. I'd got for something like "Due to Barrett's behaviour becoming increasingly unpredictable"

 Done yeepsi (Time for a chat?) 22:28, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Background

• "From late 1967 to early 1968" - I would say more like mid 1967 to late 1967. The first documented incident of his later behaviour in Povey is on 27 July 1967 where Syd freaked out before his third appearance on Top Of The Pops (Povey p.65)

 Done yeepsi (Time for a chat?) 22:32, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

• "partly as a consequence of his heavy use of drugs" - you probably want multiple sources on this, and even then the drugs bit is disputed

 Done Removed drug part. yeepsi (Time for a chat?) 14:57, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

• "terse, almost to the point of rudeness" probably wants a source, and attributed to who said it

Will get more sources for above two at a later point. yeepsi (Time for a chat?)

 Done Replaced the sentence. yeepsi (Time for a chat?) 14:57, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

• "or save for a few songs" should read "or, save for a few songs"

 Done yeepsi (Time for a chat?) 22:32, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Recording and structure

• The two concurrent sentences starting "The band" probably want to be merged in with each other. Subsequent sentences don't seem to scan quite right and probably want integrating

 Done yeepsi (Time for a chat?) 22:38, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

• On 24 and 25 January, the band (presumably without Barrett) recorded a song logged "The Most Boring Song I've Ever Heard Bar 2" at Abbey Road (Povey p.90) This later became "See Saw" (as cited later in the article)

Could you cite the recording part? yeepsi (Time for a chat?) 22:38, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Povey p.90 --Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:18, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

 Done Thank you. yeepsi (Time for a chat?) 23:46, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Songs

• "only one original Barrett song," is repetition from earlier
• "With Barrett seemingly detached from proceedings" probably doesn't need a direct citation, it's covered elsewhere in the article
• "childlike approach" might want a source

 Done above. yeepsi (Time for a chat?) 22:57, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

• Would be nice to get a quote of Wright's opinion of his early work

Will source at a later point. yeepsi (Time for a chat?) 22:57, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

I can't find any quotes. yeepsi (Time for a chat?) 13:59, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

• I'm not sure about the "side one" and "side two" breakdowns. Aside post release live performances, the individual bits of tracks can probably be re-integrated into the main prose. There's a bit of repetition here as well. I think this whole section needs a rethink.

Will change in a mo. yeepsi (Time for a chat?) 22:57, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

 Done I've merged the section above into Recording and structure. yeepsi (Time for a chat?) 00:10, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

• ""Let There Be More Light" evolved from a bass riff that was part of "Interstellar Overdrive". According to the AllMusic source, all it says is that it's got "surface similarities". So this is just the opinion of Stewart Mason, nothing more

 Done yeepsi (Time for a chat?) 22:57, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

• Waters performed Set The Controls on quite a few tours - I saw him do it in 2006 (obviously I can't cite what's in my head but hopefully there is a source out there for this). Also, why mention the live history of this and not the album's title track, which was played for years too?

Will source at a later point. yeepsi (Time for a chat?) 22:57, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Half  Done Have sourced Set the Controls, looking some sources for Saucer. yeepsi (Time for a chat?) 12:15, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

 Done yeepsi (Time for a chat?) 19:53, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

• Does Mason sing all the lead in Corporal Clegg? Sounds to me like the opening line is Gilmour. Might be worth digging out another source for this.

I think it's Mason. I had a quick relisten to the first half of Clegg, after hearing the first line I thought Gilmour but after hearing the second line I thought it was Mason. Will try to find a source. yeepsi (Time for a chat?) 22:57, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

 Done All I can find is just for Mason on lead. yeepsi (Time for a chat?) 19:40, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

• ""A Saucerful of Secrets" started off was a new version of "Nick's Boogie"" This sentence doesn't scan right

 Done yeepsi (Time for a chat?) 22:57, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

• "Barrett and Waters watched the promo video during the second week of December 1967". Why is this important to mention?

I think it may have been the guys' first look at the video, I'm not completely sure. Will search for more info, if I can't find any I'll remove it. yeepsi (Time for a chat?) 22:57, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

 Done Removed. yeepsi (Time for a chat?) 19:40, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

• "Scream The Last Scream" and the background to it seems to be mentioned several times in the article, probably redundantly

I can't see how its been mentioned redundantly? yeepsi (Time for a chat?) 22:57, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

It's referred to as "unreleased" in "Recording and structure" and "Unreleased songs", and as a Barrett song twice in "Recording and structure". Second and subsequent mentions of these are probably unnecessary. Does that make sense? --Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:23, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

 Done Yep, thank you. yeepsi (Time for a chat?) 23:51, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Cover art

• Is it worth mentioning anything about the back cover, or any changes for CD reissues? (Can't remember if they are or not)

 Done The first line is worth retaining as its the first for Floyd by Hipgnosis, and second for an outsider designer for an EMI group, the rest has been removed. I've moved it to Release and reception. yeepsi (Time for a chat?) 23:01, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Release and reception

• Worth digging out a few more review quotes?

Will do at later point. yeepsi (Time for a chat?) 23:01, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

 Done yeepsi (Time for a chat?) 15:36, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Personnel

• All personnel on the album is uncredited. The only credit is "Produced by Norman Smith"
• Can you cite that Gilmour (as opposed to any other band members) played kazoo?

I think the remaster CD booklet has the credits (though, I would probs need a book or other source for the kazoo), I'll get a source for the credits at a later point. yeepsi (Time for a chat?) 23:17, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

 Done yeepsi (Time for a chat?) 13:41, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

• The Salvation Army only played on Jugband Blues, which I guess is what you meant to write here

 Done Yep, I've added it in. yeepsi (Time for a chat?) 23:17, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Images

• You can't use File:Pink Floyd - all members.jpg as "fair use" as it's not in the lead inbox --Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:18, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Removed. yeepsi (Time for a chat?) 23:17, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

I've done a few minor fixes, but other than that, it's a pass. Well done. --Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 10:01, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Doctor Strange

• It is also worth mentioning that Doctor Strange can be seen on the albums cover. The Body/Legs of Doctor Strange can be seen in the middle-right hand of the album's cover. Source: http://www.cracked.com/funny-5298-dr.-strange/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.188.31.128 (talk) 03:35, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Untitled

Rick's songs deserve more consideration, I think. The fact that he later criticised them (he also criticised some of Roger's songs of the time) shouldn't be held against them. Not too much. As an aside, they don't have much in common with Syd's lyrics. They look back to childhood from an adult perspective, which Syd's songs don't tend to do ('childlike' is so vague: there are images of and from nursery rhymes and childhood on Piper, and vivid associations like those of childhood, but the skill and intelligence aren't those of a child. So... yeah. I think childlike does Piper a disservice). 105.224.90.236 (talk) 17:41, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

What's in the article is from what has been mentioned in the sources. Best, yeepsi (Talk tonight) 17:51, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

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"Remember a Day" session notes

The sentence about the recording/overdubbing of "Remember a Day" made absolutely no sense. I edited it to make it coherent and split off the last part into another sentence. However, I'm not 100% certain that I understood the facts correctly. I relied on the entry for the song itself for guidance.D.Holt (talk) 04:07, 26 January 2018 (UTC)