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Logo image.

Another version of the channel logo, if you would like that.--Beao 14:56, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

• I agree. Leaving it yellow on empty is technically an alteration of a trademark, which might be a violation. 142.26.18.188 (talk) 17:49, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
• Disagree. The black is simply a background and it doesn't count for the official logo.  єmarsee  • Speak up! 02:21, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

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Requested move 19 February 2020

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The result of the move request was: A-Channel moved to A-Channel (disambiguation) and A-Channel (Craig Media) moved to A-Channel – wbm1058 (talk) 23:09, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

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A-Channel (Craig Media) → A-Channel (TV network) – The current title is uncommon disambiguation not supported by WP:NCBC. According to the article, The A-Channel is a television system. According to television system in Canada, a television system is a group of television stations which share common ownership, branding and programming, but which for some reason does not satisfy the criteria necessary for it to be classified as a television network under Canadian law. As the term "television system" has no legal definition, and as most audiences and broadcasters usually refer to groups of stations with common branding and programming as "networks" regardless of their structure, the distinction between the two entities is often not entirely clear; indeed, the term is rarely discussed outside the Canadian broadcasting enthusiast community. Seeing as how the article says that the definition of "television system" is rarely discussed outside the Canadian broadcasting enthusiast community, that seems like using "television system" as disambiguation would be MOS:JARGON and per WP:RECOGNIZABILITY should be avoided. So per WP:NCBC "(TV network)" is the better option. Gonnym (talk) 14:43, 19 February 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. Jerm (talk) 18:11, 26 February 2020 (UTC)—Relisting. © Tbhotch^™ (en-3). 18:41, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

• Support move, though in looking at the lede, I think A-Channel (TV channel) looks more accurate in this instance. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:52, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

That wouldn't work. It wasn't just one "channel", it was three. Bearcat (talk) 20:54, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

To break the logjam here, I will also back Netoholic's suggestion to move to A-Channel – I agree that this name/title does not need a WP:DABPAGE. A hatnote should be enough to get people to CTV Two, and the other two entries aren't really "A-Channel" titles. I suspect that Bearcat would also be amenable to this solution, so let's just move this one to A-Channel and close this RM. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:53, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

• Move to A-Channel - At primary right now is a terrible DAB page, and this article is the only article which uses this spelling. Gonnym & IJBall, thoughts? -- Netoholic @ 20:49, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
• Support move. The reason this is at the title it's at is because initially, when these A-Channel stations dropped the brand to become Citytv, the A-Channel brand was transferred to a different group of stations, replacing their prior "NewNet" brand. For a lot of reasons, however, the "new" A-Channel could not be treated as continuous with the "old" A-Channel — most importantly, it had to encompass a completely different history, but even the logo and programming were different and the only point of commonality between the two was the name. So because there were two different Canadian TV networks that had been associated with the exact same name but had to be covered in separate articles, the only viable way to disambiguate them at the time was by corporate owner (i.e. "A-Channel (Craig Media)" vs "A-Channel (CHUM)") — IIRC, there was a brief attempt to go with "A-Channel (1997-2005)" and "A-Channel (2005-present)", but it didn't stick. The "new" A-Channel has since been rebranded again, however, and is now called CTV Two — so there's no longer any pressing need to keep this hyperdisambiguated title anymore. Since this one was never called anything but this, while the other one went through a few name changes and is now called something very different, we should let this one be WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. A-Channel isn't the title at which almost anybody would actually be looking for the other one anymore — and since this one would have to (and indeed already does) address the branding transfer anyway, the rare person who does come here looking for that one will get forwarded there as it is. Bearcat (talk) 20:52, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
  • After reading this and seeing how the links are used in the articles, I think maybe we should add the years to the disambiguation. NewNet, which redirects to CTV 2 links to A-Channel (Craig Media) in all its uses, but you say above that that the Craig Media version isn't the one which is related to NewNet. This means that this isn't only a reader issue, but editors are also incorrectly targeting links because the names aren't clear. Also, TV shows that originally aired on a network/channel are categorized in categories such as Category:The CW original programming. Not handling the disambiguation correctly now will cause an issue here (note: these currently don't have categories, but they should). We have hooked Up (TV series) and The Big Breakfast (Canadian TV program) for the Craig Media one, but we have A Morning for the second version. It should be noted that we can't use the newer network name as that is anachronistic and isn't consistent with current practice. See Category:ABC Family original programming and Category:Freeform (TV channel) original programming. --Gonnym (talk) 09:12, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
    • If it's a WP:TWODABS situation, we can put the "original" at the "primary": at A-Channel. That would leave just the "newer" one, which we could disambiguate (and which would be just a redirect anyway). Probably the "cleanest" way to handle this... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 12:28, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
      • It's at least 2 articles (A Channel (manga)) and 2 redirects, but yes, I agree. If this A-Chanel is the primary, that could work. --Gonnym (talk) 13:05, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
        • The manga is "A Channel", not "A-Channel" – that's subtle, but I think WP:SMALLDETAILS applies. (It's also why I think any WP:DABPAGE should actually be at A Channel not at A-Channel...) --IJBall (contribs • talk) 13:12, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
• Relister comment. On the premise of the recent A-Channel (Craig Media) → A-Channel, I decided to relist this discussion. © Tbhotch^™ (en-3). 18:41, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
• Comment: at 04:31, 29 August 2011‎ Emarsee moved A (TV system) to CTV Two over redirect: "Moving it, transition will occur within a few hours" – there's the other half of the "two-dab" – wbm1058 (talk) 22:39, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

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GA Review

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Reviewer: Averageuntitleduser (talk · contribs) 23:54, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Here goes! Comments coming shortly. Averageuntitleduser (talk) 23:54, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Well-written

I had no idea how entertaining these television articles were, now I understand why you edit them!

• succesful at obtaining — "successfully obtained"
• which are currently operated by Bell Media under the CTV 2 banner
  • What do you need here?
    • I... I quite honestly have no idea myself
• It was competing — this could be construed as a business rivalry instead of two competing bids. I had to reread this section to understand "The AltaWest bid" part.
• The AltaWest bid was part of CanWest's bid to turn Global into a third national network and envisioned a main station in Calgary. — two things: "envisioned" is conflicting tense-wise, and the sentence is a bit confusing. CanWest, on their own, hasn't been established, nor has their bid. As well, the article leads you to connect "CanWest" and "Global", so referring to them seperately is a bit odd. I was thinking something like: "CanWest Global's plan to turn itself...", but I imagine its not technically correct.
  • Reworded to better clarify this. Since you're likely to ask: our article is Canwest, but they styled it CanWest for most of their history.
    • Looks better.
• Live @ Five with spaces, or Live@Five without?
  • With. Fixed. (They were inconsistent.)
• Many of the issues came down to the tapeless playback and editing system — I would clarify/hammer home that, using the system, many news stories ended up lost from the hard drive.
• What's "BBM"?
  • It's Numeris now. Linked.
• lagged the CBC — is this a common phrase? If not, use "lagged behind".
  • Isn't "lagged behind" redundant? You're behind if you're lagging.
    • that's fair lol
• Craig established the A-Channel Production Fund — when? I'd consider moving/incorporating this section elsewhere, as it feels a bit out of place.
  • Moved this up several paragraphs and added a reference. The fund was started before the stations were on the air.
• Explain The Big Breakfast at first mention.
• bring the licence terms of its Alberta and Manitoba stations in line — perhaps: "renew the licence terms"?
  • No: they wanted them to expire at the same time, so Craig had the A-Channel (Alberta) licences come up early. Clarified.
    • Ah, got it.

@AverageUntitledUser: Addressed all items, but there's one you left no action item on. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:49, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

@Averageuntitleduser Oops. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:50, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Forgive that one; the changes look good! Averageuntitleduser (talk) 19:35, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Verifiable with no original research

Citations are fully formatted. All passages are cited to reliable newspapers, primarily local to Edmonton or Calgary. I've looked at a handful of sources and have found little close paraphrasing or copyvio. However, I have three quibbles.

• an aggressive, urban, street-level, younger approach — I would emphasize this more in the article
• At one news conference, a local politician saw an A-Channel cameraman enter the room and began mouthing his words without speaking. — I'm likely missing something, but I couldn't find this in the source.
  • Second page of clipping, first column, toward the top.
    • This is probably a little late for me to realize that you could link to multiple pages, but anywaysss
• adding 20 games to the latter's existing 28-game inventory. — should "20" and "28" not be swapped?
  • Yup. Good catch.

Spot-check

• Matella, Helen (December 1, 1993). "Alta. channel promises local programs". Edmonton Journal. Edmonton, Alberta. p. C8. Archived from the original on November 21, 2023. Retrieved November 21, 2023 – via Newspapers.com.
  • Looks good Y
• Helm, Richard (September 19, 1997). "A is for A-Channel: Edmonton gets its first TV station in 23 years". Edmonton Journal. Edmonton, Alberta. p. TV Times 4. Archived from the original on November 21, 2023. Retrieved November 21, 2023 – via Newspapers.com.
  • Indirect, but looks good Y
• Blakey, Bob (June 25, 1997). "A-Channel: Rarin' to go with movies in prime time". Calgary Herald. Calgary, Alberta. p. C8. Archived from the original on November 21, 2023. Retrieved November 21, 2023 – via Newspapers.com.
  • Looks good Y
• Blakey, Bob (September 20, 1997). "A-Channel goes on air with party". Calgary Herald. Calgary, Alberta. p. K2. Archived from the original on November 22, 2023. Retrieved November 22, 2023 – via Newspapers.com.
  • Indirect, but looks good Y
• Helm, Richard (May 7, 1998). "CFRN keeps a lock on the ratings: Despite meagre numbers, rookie A-Channel pleased with upward trend". Edmonton Journal. Edmonton, Alberta. p. C4. Archived from the original on November 22, 2023. Retrieved November 22, 2023 – via Newspapers.com.
  • Looks good Y
• Blakey, Bob (May 21, 1998). "A-Channel keeps funding promise". Calgary Herald. Calgary, Alberta. p. C6. Archived from the original on November 23, 2023. Retrieved November 22, 2023 – via Newspapers.com.
  • I'm only seeing "A-Channel Drama Fund", looks good otherwise.
    • @Averageuntitleduser: the name changed about 2002: see [1]. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 21:25, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
      • Looks good within the article now Y Averageuntitleduser (talk) 12:11, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
• McConnell, Rick (August 3, 2005). "Citytv rebrands in bid to boost audience". Edmonton Journal. Edmonton, Alberta. pp. C1, C2. Archived from the original on November 23, 2023. Retrieved November 23, 2023 – via Newspapers.com.
  • A little more emphasized, (edit: the second page of the other source confirms it) but it works Y

Broad in its coverage

All of its activities are discussed wholly, using a wide variety of refs over a long timeframe.

Neutral

Looks good on this front. Opinions, like those of the workers on strike, are attributed and presented fairly.

Stable

No recent content disputes or edit wars.

Illustrated

Images are all correctly labelled as creative commons, own works, or public domain. The logo and buildings all improve the understanding of the reader.

Summary

A very pleasant read, great work!

@Sammi Brie: Nice job! I think its just that one comment then; refs 29 and 30 (and I imagine more) mention the channel's younger target demographic, I just think you need to lean into it within the article (so that it works with the lead). Averageuntitleduser (talk) 23:54, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

@Averageuntitleduser Housekeeping: pings don't work unless you sign in the same edit. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 04:50, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

huh, thank you Averageuntitleduser (talk) 12:00, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

@Averageuntitleduser I reshuffled a paragraph to call out some existing facts on "hip! young!". Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:48, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Read through it, and I quite like it; consider this a pass! Averageuntitleduser (talk) 12:11, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

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Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Hilst talk 15:54, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

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• ... that an Edmonton politician began mouthing his words when he saw a cameraman for A-Channel walk in, mocking the frequent audio difficulties on its newscasts? Source: https://www.newspapers.com/article/edmonton-journal-a-channel/135523384/
  • ALT1: ... that A-Channel's first newscast, riddled with technical errors, was dubbed "Black Monday" by staff? Source: https://www.newspapers.com/article/calgary-herald-a-channel-rebounds-city/135583573/
  • Reviewed: Dariacore (album) and Robin McLeod
  • Comment: There are some excellent hooks I am holding back for future GAs of CKAL-DT and CKEM-DT.

Improved to Good Article status by Sammi Brie (talk). Self-nominated at 19:49, 14 March 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/A-Channel; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• Article looks well written, in keeping with a GA page. Both hooks are interesting and properly sourced. I prefer the primary over ALT1. I see no problems. Ready for DYK. -- RickyCourtney (talk) 19:28, 16 March 2024 (UTC)