Talk:87th African Infantry Division

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 07:30, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

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• ... that although it was only formed in late 1939 the French 87th African Infantry Division inflicted 6,600 casualties upon the German forces during the Battle of France and continued to fight until the armistice of 22 June 1940? Source: "Elle est mise sur pied le 2 septembre 1939 à Constantine (Xe Région Militaire)" which I translate as "It was formed on 2 September 1939 at Constantine (10th Military Region)" and " fait partie des unités qui, en juin 1940, se replient en ordre et combattent jusqu'à l'extrême fin des combats." which I translate as "it was one of the units which in June 1940 withdrew in order and fought until the very end of the fighting" from: "Archives de la 87e Division d'Infanterie d'Afrique". Archives Sudry. Centre de Documentation Historique sur l'Algérie. 1939–1940. Retrieved 27 January 2022. and: "le prix a payer par la wehrmacht sur le canal de l'ailette est eleve en deux jeurs de combat (5 et 6 juin) contre la 87e division d'infanterie d'Afrique : 1 800 morts, 4 500 blessés et 300 prisonniers allemands !" which I translate as "a high price would be paid by the Wehrmacht on the Ailette Canal in two days of combat (5 and 6 June) against the 87th African Infantry Division: 1,800 dead, 4,500 wounded and 300 German prisoners!" from: Lormier, Dominique (2 May 2019). Les vérités cachées de la Seconde Guerre mondiale (in French). Editions du Rocher. p. 59. ISBN 978-2-268-10224-5.
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Created by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 12:10, 28 January 2022 (UTC).

• Article was new at the time of nomination and meets the prose length requirements. I don't see any NPOV/obvious CV issues, and everything is appropriately cited. I don't read French but I'm AGF that the refs are reliable. The hook is interesting and formatted appropriately; fact is present in the article and cited. QPQ good. We're good to go here I think. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 13:25, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
  • @Dumelow: any chance the second-to-last-paragraph end and "22 june 1940" part of the hook could be cited before I promote? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 04:09, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
    • I took "fought until the very end of the fighting" to refer to that date when assessing the hook. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 04:17, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks theleekycauldron. I've added the missing ref. As PMC says, the "very end of the fighting" in France in 1940 was the armistice. If you prefer we could recast the hook - Dumelow (talk) 06:25, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that although it was only formed in late 1939 the French 87th African Infantry Division inflicted 6,600 casualties upon the German forces and fought until the very end of the Battle of France?
  • Perfect, thanks! theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 07:30, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

ALT1 to T:DYK/P3

Ethnicity?

I'm curious, would the unit have been primarily made up of indigenous Algerians/North Africans? Or of French settlers and their descendants? Both? This might be obvious to people better informed about French colonial troops than I, but I didn't see anything about it in the article or by poking around in related links. Seems like it would be interesting to include. CAVincent (talk) 04:07, 16 February 2022 (UTC)