Talk:2024 World Grand Prix

WST PDF files

@AmethystZhou: There are three references that you (I think) added for WST PDF files in the article, none of which work anymore. The archives are OK though. I did a bit of a search through their awful new site but couldn't find any PDFs at all. Any ideas?  Alan  (talk) 14:56, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

I tried Googling with "format:pdf site:wst.tv" but it looks like the URL change completely messed up the search results. Everything is indexed with the old URL and nothing works... And to make it worse, the new ranking page [1] doesn't have the "1-Year list after xx tournament" pages anymore, instead it's a dynamic list. At least we have the archives though. Also WebArchive usually archives those pdfs, so if you can find the URL, even if it's a dead link, you should be able to find a working archive, at least. AmethystZhou (talk) 15:01, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes - I did exactly the same, with the same result. What a mess.  Alan  (talk) 15:07, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

@AmethystZhou: The "Draw" PDF reference could be deleted since it's just the same as the snooker.org bracket reference. The "1‍–‍year‍–‍list" PDF reference could possibly be replaced with this. The "Format" PDF reference is a problem. I haven't been able to find anything like it yet.  Alan  (talk) 19:13, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

@AmethystZhou: I've deleted the "Draw" PDF reference. One down, two to go.  Alan  (talk) 19:57, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Maybe we could actually replace all of those references with this one: https://www.wst.tv/matches?tab=1 But it's a dynamic page so you'll have to archive it otherwise it shows other tournaments. WST just can't get everything right it seems... That said, it's OK to have a dead link and a working archive for sources: WP:DEADREF. AmethystZhou (talk) 00:53, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Wait actually you can find old brackets on WST's website, like this: https://www.wst.tv/matches/5ef109fb-0a70-414a-b314-17a822590d96?tab=1 They are under the "calendar" page: https://www.wst.tv/tournaments/ AmethystZhou (talk) 01:07, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes - that's probably OK.  Alan  (talk) 08:15, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Too wide

@AmethystZhou: Is there any point in keeping the seed number tooltips in after the first round. It seems like needless repetition and makes the bracket wider than it needs to be. If we have to have all of these bloody unnecessary flags, then we could, at least, delete these tooltips.  Alan  (talk) 21:19, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

That’s fine by me, although you might want to start a wider discussion and apply it to all recent tournament pages. AmethystZhou (talk) 21:54, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

OK - I'll do that (start a discussion).  Alan  (talk) 07:33, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Personally I'd much rather go back to the old system of using flagicon after the first round. Saves quite a bit of space. Not quite sure why we're doing this now. MOS:FLAG only requires that "The name of a flag's political entity should appear adjacent to the first use of the flag, as no reader is familiar with every flag, and many flags differ only in minor details. Nearby uses of the flag need not repeat the name, especially in a list or table." Nigej (talk) 08:18, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

I'd be happy enough with doing that, although I still think it would be better to get rid of the flags completely, but I'd never get agreement to that.

So - leave the first round as it is, change to flagicons for subsequent rounds and take out the seeding tooltips. Is that right?  Alan  (talk) 08:27, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Do you mean just the tooltip or all the seeding part from round 2? Nigej (talk) 09:30, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Sorry - didn't make myself clear. All the seed numbers in parentheses to be removed after the 1st round.  Alan  (talk) 09:43, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

The issue here is the use of team-width=auto. This is causing the bracket to be made to the width of the longest entry, which is not necessary. I also don’t know why seedings for players are being put into the name parameter: Seedings in tournaments such as this, which are restricted fields, really should be going into the seedings parameters and not the player name parameters. I don’t really know why this format was changed: a width of 220 is more than sufficient for most brackets and it doesn’t matter much about word wrapping either. I think the old format mentioned by nigej would be fine. CitroenLover (talk) 13:15, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

A different format has been used to show the draw for the previous several years' World Grands Prix wiki pages, why has the format been changed this year?

It's convention to show seed numbers throughout a draw. Whichever format is used, it's very unusual to see a draw where numbers are only shown in a particular round(s) and later not shown. Rio309w (talk) 23:56, 21 January 2024 (UTC)