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Presidency categories edit

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Shall we add Category:Presidency of Donald Trump and/or Category:Presidency of Joe Biden? Argument could be made to include both... ---Another Believer (Talk) 18:54, 15 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

I think so, and likely a navbox or two. I requested some photos of protest preparations in Columbus, but there might be photos of this for other cities online already... ɱ (talk) 19:01, 15 January 2021 (UTC)Reply
I've added both categories for now. Further discussion welcome. ---Another Believer (Talk) 19:04, 15 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

Bomb threat, Virginia Supreme Court edit

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FYI

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New title: "2021 United States capitols protests" or "Planned protests in United States capitols" edit

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The current title reads as if these planned protests would solely occur in the capitol of the United States (Washington D.C.) but the article mentions plans for protests or violent actions in capitols of multiple U.S. states. I feel that a new, more-inclusive title is justified for the article. Mt.FijiBoiz (talk) 16:53, 16 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

Maybe a title focusing more on groups or topics would be better. (2021 Stop The Steal protests, 2021 QAnon protests, 2021 inauguration protests, etc.) Anything with "capitol" in it may be confused with 2021 storming of the US Capitol. –Novem Linguae (talk) 17:05, 16 January 2021 (UTC)Reply
Agree. Mt.FijiBoiz (talk) 17:09, 16 January 2021 (UTC)Reply
Also agree, either Stop The Steal protests or Inauguration protests are better titles. Temeku (talk) 07:29, 17 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hi everyone, would rather appreciate fleshing out sections on individual states rather than arguing over trivial details like this. Anyhow, we should probably wait to see what news sources will/are calling it, but most of these suggestions won't work: "Stop the Steal" is moreso the general 2020–21 United States election protests; "QAnon protests" doesn't work because there are many right-wing groups, many of whom may not be part of QAnon conspirators; and "inauguration protests" doesn't exactly work as the protests are aimed to last from the 17th-20th. If I were to recommend a change, it would be to "2021 U.S. state and national capitol protests" or "2021 U.S. Inauguration Day weekend protests", or something similar. ɱ (talk) 15:06, 17 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

+1 ---Another Believer (Talk) 15:26, 17 January 2021 (UTC)Reply
Ɱ, Sigh, Further complicated by the merge template. ---Another Believer (Talk) 15:33, 17 January 2021 (UTC)Reply
Honestly both pages should be merged, as they are covering the same topic (like the same details and everything). The other article is more fleshed out and (IMO) should remain. After the merger happens (or doesn't happen), we should resume discussing a name change, as the other article's title is still confusing. I recommend that editors of this page participate in the merger discuss if they can. Mt.FijiBoiz (talk) 15:59, 17 January 2021 (UTC)Reply
There seems to be more momentum here, so I wish 2021 United States state capitol protests were just redirected, but I'll let admins decide how to best use the scalpel. ---Another Believer (Talk) 16:17, 17 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

Update: I've redirected 2021 United States state capitol protests per User:Nirvanaoreilly's comment at Talk:2021 United States state capitol protests. I would invite User:Nirvanaoreilly to this title discussion. ---Another Believer (Talk) 17:11, 17 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hi Another Believer, I am actually fine with the title remaining because there is already an article covering, generally, 2020-21 election protests. The title “2021 United States capitol protests” implies many protests at several capitols, not a Capitol, therefore I think it makes sense. Thank you for seeking my input! Nirvanaoreilly (talk) 19:13, 17 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

The title of this page is also very similar to a redirect (2021 United States Capitol protests) to the 2021 storming of the United States Capitol page. It's quite confusing. Mt.FijiBoiz (talk) 19:33, 17 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

Or maybe "2021 U.S. Inauguration week protests". Also, quote: would rather appreciate fleshing out sections on individual states rather than arguing over trivial details like this. No need to be dismissive, we're just having a calm discussion about a possible rename. This does not in any way stop you from working on the content of this article. –Novem Linguae (talk) 22:17, 17 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

Requested move 20 January 2021 edit

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Non-admin WP:SNOW closed. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 05:12, 25 January 2021 (UTC)Reply


2021 United States capitol protests → 2021 United States inauguration week protests – "2021 United States capitol protests" was not the common name for the events that occurred, Googling 2021 United States capitol protests seems to bring up much more results about the 2021 storming of the United States Capitol. "2021 United States Inauguration Week protests" seems more appropriate given the warning issued by the FBI that protests may occur "at all United States state capitols and in Washington, D.C. in the week preceding and during the January 20, 2021 inauguration of Joe Biden." Mt.FijiBoiz (talk) 18:28, 20 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

@Mukogodo:, @Temeku:, @Novem Linguae:, @Ɱ:, @Nirvanaoreilly:, @Another Believer: please participate in the discussion if possible. All the best! Mt.FijiBoiz (talk) 18:31, 20 January 2021 (UTC)Reply
  • If this is moved, I don't think "inauguration week" should be capitalized. Rreagan007 (talk) 21:04, 20 January 2021 (UTC)Reply
    • I would agree with this. I think my rationale for the capitalization was the Inauguration Day holiday, which is capitalized, but it seems that more sources write "inauguration week" without it being capitalized. Mt.FijiBoiz (talk) 22:16, 20 January 2021 (UTC)Reply
  • Support with lowercase spelling. Although if there is a compelling oppose reason, I reserve the right to change my vote. –Novem Linguae (talk) 23:09, 20 January 2021 (UTC)Reply
  • Support per nom. Bartholomite (talk) 08:29, 23 January 2021 (UTC)Reply
  • Support The current title requires the Not to be confused with the 2021 storming of the United States Capitol hatnote. This demonstrates the need for this change. Rename the article and remove the hatnote. JaredHWood💬 20:22, 23 January 2021 (UTC)Reply
  • Support for the same reasons stated by JaredHWood. I was the user who added that hatnote, and I think renaming the article to the proposed new name would do a much better job at distinguishing it from the article about the Capitol storming, because the new name clearly states that these are the inauguration week protests, leaving less room for confusion. DrPepperIsNotACola (talk) 20:33, 23 January 2021 (UTC)Reply
  • Support The current title including "capitol" is likely to confuse people, thinking it refers only to the storming of the U.S. Capitol. This article appears to be mostly about the protests in state capitols. This is not an intuitive title so I would hope there are plenty of redirects to it. -- MelanieN (talk) 21:59, 23 January 2021 (UTC)Reply
  • Support per MelanieN Glide08 (talk) 22:45, 23 January 2021 (UTC)Reply
  • Support per everyone else. Love of Corey (talk) 08:20, 24 January 2021 (UTC)Reply
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Reorg, trimming, how impactful were Jan 20 protests? edit

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Reorg - This article seems to conflate 3 things: preparations for protests, protests on Jan 17 (which were minimal), and protests on Jan 20. Just a thought, but we may want to think about reorganizing the article into these 3 sections.

Trimming - Just a thought, but this may turn into one of those articles that after the hype of the current event passes, we need to trim down. WP:DELAY, WP:RECENTISM. Or, add some paragraphs that accurately summarize the weight of everything.

Jan 20 - By the way, what level of protests were there today? Were there protests across the nation again, or just DC, or no protests? I haven't seen much news coverage on it yet. I think once we have a clear idea of the weight of these things, it will be easier to name the article and edit the article appropriately. –Novem Linguae (talk) 23:15, 20 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

Agreed. Surprised and glad it wasn't significant, at least that I know of. Will have to look further on this too... ɱ (talk) 23:47, 20 January 2021 (UTC)Reply
Rather amusing spectacle it seems. An anticlimactic end to the wave of right-wing control, and in stark contrast to the January 6 Capitol breach. Perhaps we can trim down parts, but the level of preparedness warranted lots of press nationwide, and the overall event is interesting and relatively unique for its surprising turnout. ɱ (talk) 23:52, 20 January 2021 (UTC)Reply
Great Vox article. Thanks for sharing. Quite the flop. It puts a smile on my face to see all the empty capitol pictures in that article. Hahaha. –Novem Linguae (talk) 00:22, 21 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

Nonevents should not have subsections - criteria for inclusion edit

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The states where nothing notable happened should be grouped up in a subsection "Other states" and listed in a single sentence or referred to in a general way or not at all. The criteria for inclusion (state as a subsection) should be:

  1. did any protesters appears
  2. did the National Guard physically appear (not just that it was put on call) simply: was the National Guard activated
  3. was there an incident of any kind

These should not be treated as criteria:

  • minor security measures such as street closures (unimportant)
  • increase in police activity, such as monitoring (unimportant, too mundane)

Just my 5c. — Alalch Emis 18:05, 23 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

Agreed SRD625 (talk) 18:59, 23 January 2021 (UTC)Reply
I agree as well JaredHWood💬 05:25, 30 January 2021 (UTC)Reply
Here are the non-event states: Alabama (no increase), Alaska (increase in police), Arizona (nat guard on call, doesn't sound like activated), Arkansas (increase in police), Colorado (monitored; not specified), Connecticut (increase in police), Idaho (increase in police), Kansas (announced security), Kentucky (fbi monitor, didn't happen), New York (increase in police), Tennessee (monitored, didn't happen), Vermont (fancy coordination). I'm removin'. — Alalch Emis (talk) 05:12, 1 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

Background section changes the topic of this article edit

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In this edit I changed the name of the Background section to Extremist participation and moved it to be a subsection under Protest and actions in Washington, D.C.. My edit was reverted by Mt.FijiBoiz who said it didn't make any sense. I don't mind the revert but would like to explain here my thinking and see if I can gather any support for changing the name of the Background section.

First, my argument for changing the name: This article is about the protests that took place at capitol buildings in Washington D.C. and around the nation. The title and lead take great care to keep focus on the pre-protest preparations. There are articles that focus on the Capitol riot and mention the protests, but the intent of this article seems to be to focus on the protests and mention the riot. If I have read correctly, the Capitol attack is not even mentioned in the lead. For these reasons it is strange to me that the first section of this article is named background and jumps straight into the storming of the Capitol. I would think that a section named background would give a background of the protests, not the riot. My edit was an attempt to resolve what I see as a discrepancy in the flow of the article.

Second, I moved the Capitol riot section to be a sub section of Protest and actions in Washington, D.C.: I did this because, for reasons stated above, it made sense to me for the organization and flow of the article. This article is about all the inauguration protests, the section is about the protests and actions in D.C., it seams reasonable that since the Capitol attack was an action that took place in D.C. it belongs in this section.

Third, I renamed the Capitol riot section "Extremist participation": I actually got this idea from the George Floyd protests article. That is also an article that is mostly about the protest with a section on the violence and riots. Since that was the pattern followed on that article, I thought it might be good to use here as well. In retrospect, I believe that naming the section "Capitol riot and attack" would be better.

I still feel strongly that the section should be renamed from Background and would suggest "Capitol riot and attack". I like my reasoning for moving the section, but don't feel as strongly about that. Please discuss. JaredHWood💬 06:01, 30 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

After more searching I see that I am confused about this article. This article is not what I thought it was, so Mt.FijiBoiz was absolutely right and my edit didn't make any sense. I'm going to rethink it and try to make a good faith edit that does make sense. (just to make myself feel better). Basically what I finally figured out was that the following articles exist. (I guess it took me a while to figure out which was which and where I was.)
JaredHWood💬 07:07, 31 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

I liked the sub-headings by state edit

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Hello all. Thanks for your contributions to the article, I know you've been working hard to edit it. I wasn't sure until I saw both versions, but looking at the recent changes, even though the sub-headings by state had problems (too little content in each sub-heading), I do feel like it was more organized and easy to find info than the prose format that we recently converted to. I think we should consider re-adding state headings. Thoughts? Thank you. –Novem Linguae (talk) 00:58, 2 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

Novem Linguae, I removed them specifically for the reason you mentioned: the subsections had little content. I considered them unnecessary. The content is still presented in alphabetical order by U.S. state within each section, which is good enough for me! ---Another Believer (Talk) 02:08, 2 February 2021 (UTC)Reply
Fair enough. Maybe I'll warm up to the prose. Looking at it again right now, it does look a lot more like a normal encyclopedia article now, so that's good. –Novem Linguae (talk) 02:15, 2 February 2021 (UTC)Reply
@Novem Linguae: I had the same thoughts. That's why I sorted the states alphabetically (they were somewhat sorted originally but became unsorted in the process), joined paragraphs so each state has one, and made sure the state is named at the start of the paragraph, not somewhere in the middle. I think it's easy to find a state now. The article looks more like an article now honestly. /which is what you just said yourself, forgot to read all sry/ — Alalch Emis (talk) 03:39, 2 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

Section title manual revert edit

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@Mt.FijiBoiz: I would like to change the bottom section title back to "protests", from your change to "events", to keep it in line with article title, and because it's good to have all the actual protests under the same heading (so no problem to title it "protests"). — Alalch Emis (talk) 05:14, 2 February 2021 (UTC) You made it consistent with "Security preparations and events in Washington, D.C." but that's titled events because there were no protests. — Alalch Emis (talk) 05:18, 2 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

National Guard COVID-19 infections edit

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I think this article should mention the large amount of National Guard members who became infected with COVID-19 while deployed in Washington, D.C. It doesn't sound like adequate preparations were made or precautions taken.[1][2][3]

References

  1. ^ https://www.wsj.com/articles/security-eases-in-washington-as-inauguration-week-ends-11611326520
  2. ^ https://www.nbcwashington.com/investigations/national-guard-members-and-us-capitol-police-officers-test-positive-for-coronavirus/2552440/
  3. ^ https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/22/national-guard-coronavirus-461340

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Thriley (talk • contribs)

Sounds like a good idea to me. Maybe we could add it in an "Aftermath" section. And in the same section, also talk about how some troops have been ordered to stay for months, and the riot fences with barbed wire may stay up "permanently". Maybe I'll edit that in now, and others can polish it to their liking. –Novem Linguae (talk) 06:47, 2 February 2021 (UTC)Reply
  Done. Thriley, I added a sentence on this at the end of the "Security preparations and events in Washington, D.C." section. Feel free to edit it or expand on it. –Novem Linguae (talk) 07:07, 2 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

Content moved from 2021 storming of the United States Capitol edit

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The moved content has been added to 2020–21 United States election protests. There's no need to add it to this page as well.

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As discussed e.g. here, the article 2021 storming of the United States Capitol has gotten too long and detailed again. I deleted the following content from it. I'd suggest merging it into this article, but I haven't checked how much of the information is already present.

  • In California, eleven people were arrested for illegal possession of pepper spray at a demonstration near the state capitol in Sacramento. There was at least one reported assault. Several roads were closed in downtown Sacramento and some bus lines were stopped, with over 200 police assigned to the demonstration. Some members of the crowd wore t-shirts supporting the far-right Proud Boys.[1] There were also protests in the Los Angeles area, including at the Los Angeles Police Department headquarters downtown; as well as in Beverly Hills and in Newport Beach. An incident was reported of a protester spraying a counter-protester with a chemical irritant.[2] During the Los Angeles protests, a mob of 30 to 40 Trump supporters physically assaulted a black woman who was walking down the street, shouting racial slurs and chanting "All Lives Matter" while shoving, striking, spraying with pepper spray, and ripping off her hair extensions.[3][4]
  • In Georgia, about 60 pro-Trump activists gathered outside the state capitol in Atlanta,[5] including armed militia movement members.[6] A courthouse complex and two other government buildings were closed as a precaution.[5] Chester Doles, a former Ku Klux Klan member who leads the far-right group American Patriots USA, attempted to enter the state capitol to deliver a "redress of grievances" about the election to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger;[6] however, Raffensperger and his staff evacuated early as a precaution.[6][5][7]
  • In Oklahoma, at the state capitol in Oklahoma City, one arrest was made on charges of attempted arson as well as assault and battery for attempting to light other people's flags on fire.[8] The protest numbered in the hundreds and was otherwise peaceful.[9]
  • In Oregon, arrests were made after hundreds gathered outside the Oregon State Capitol in Salem.[10]
  • In Washington, pro-Trump activists, some of whom were armed, broke through the gates at the Washington Governor's Mansion at the State Capitol Campus in Olympia, and occupied the front lawn, prompting a standoff with the State Patrol.[11][12]

— Chrisahn (talk) 06:32, 12 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

References

  1. ^ Cremen, Alanea (January 6, 2021). "11 arrested for having pepper spray at Capitol demonstrations | Updates". abc10.com. Archived from the original on January 7, 2021. Retrieved January 7, 2021.
  2. ^ Wisckol, Martin; Bermont, Bradley; Rasmussen, Emily (January 6, 2021). "Protesters clash in downtown L.A., while Trump rallies unfold elsewhere in Southern California". The Mercury News. Archived from the original on January 7, 2021. Retrieved January 7, 2021.
  3. ^ "'It's Disgraceful': Black Woman Attacked During Pro-Trump Demonstration In DTLA". KCAL. January 7, 2021. Archived from the original on January 8, 2021. Retrieved January 7, 2021.
  4. ^ "LAPD 'Aware of Disturbing Images' of Black Woman Grabbed During Protest". KNBC. January 7, 2021. Archived from the original on January 8, 2021. Retrieved January 7, 2021.
  5. ^ a b c "Fact check: Protestors did not 'storm' Georgia and Kansas statehouses". Reuters. January 8, 2021. Archived from the original on January 10, 2021. Retrieved January 24, 2021.
  6. ^ a b c Michael Sasso (January 6, 2021). "Georgia Election Official Avoids Ex-Klansman Amid Safety Concern". Retrieved January 24, 2021.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link)
  7. ^ "Georgia Secretary of State evacuates Georgia Capitol for safety, office closes". 11Alive.com. Archived from the original on January 6, 2021. Retrieved January 6, 2021.
  8. ^ "One arrested as Trump supporters gather at Oklahoma Capitol". AP NEWS. January 6, 2021. Archived from the original on January 7, 2021. Retrieved January 7, 2021.
  9. ^ Jones, Perris (January 7, 2021). "Hundreds peacefully protest at Oklahoma Capitol in support of President Donald Trump". KOCO. Archived from the original on January 7, 2021. Retrieved January 7, 2021.
  10. ^ Swindler, Samantha; Killen, Dave; Nakamura, Beth (January 6, 2021). "Unlawful assembly declared at Oregon Capitol as pro-Trump mob storms U.S. Congress". The Oregonian. Associated Press. Archived from the original on January 7, 2021. Retrieved January 8, 2021.
  11. ^ Bernton, Hal (January 6, 2021). "Trump supporters open gate at governor's mansion in Olympia, occupy front lawn". The Seattle Times. Archived from the original on January 6, 2021. Retrieved January 6, 2021.
  12. ^ Horcher, Gary (January 8, 2021). "Protesters break through gates at governor's mansion in Olympia, storm to front door". KIRO-TV. Seattle. Archived from the original on January 11, 2021. Retrieved January 24, 2021.
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