Talk:2016 Pacific typhoon season/Archive 3

Merger proposal

I propose that Typhoon Malakas (2016) be merged into 2016 Pacific typhoon season. I think that Malakas caused only minor damages. There is no need an article. 219.79.250.189 (talk) 05:06, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

The creator (N-C16) eventually redirected the article with the edit summary "Not ready yet" before an IP recreated it with this edit. N-C16 has since been blocked for having sockpuppets and as such isn't really available for comment now. Dustin (talk) 07:52, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Is over 700 million USD minor? -- Meow 09:13, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Strong Oppose - Yeah, no, $700 million isn't minor. Jdcomix (talk) 11:48, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

I hate "there is no need for an article" mentally. With that said, one arbitrary damage figure doesn't in its own justify an article. In this case, however, I'm confident that there is enough content for a Malakas article. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 14:07, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose. Article has enough content in it. Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 14:13, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Aere dissipation

Ok so me and @Meow: have discussed something about Aere's dissipation date. So recently the JMA BT for Aere was released and was shown that its regeneration was a truly separate system (Aere dissipated on Oct 10, though re-generated on Oct 11 then fully dissipated on Oct 14). However the JTWC classified it as the same system. So is Aere's true dissipation date on Oct 10 or Oct 14? Some users say that we always follow the RSMC, but for this case, I do not know. Typhoon2013 (talk) 10:34, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

This is not a new issue. The JMA won't continuously track a system that has weakened below depression status. I think for continuity and verifiability that what the JMA says is official. They were two different systems. Doesn't mean in the Aere section we should outright exclude the regeneration as a separate system. We still have sources like the JTWC that support the were the same storm. But for season statistics and records I think it should be treated separate. Supportstorm (talk) 16:19, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Would have been a more difficult problem if Aere got a new typhoon name just before it made landfall over Vietnam. But, ya when the gale warning advisory track came out for the regenerated tropical depression it did not include the previous track marks of Aere to connect the system to the same system. Grifforzer

@Supportstorm: Ok so um I found this site and found out that Aere and the TD (or Aere's regeneration) are separate systems. Play with that time/date in its url and I tracked the circulation of Aere from the 10th and checked every 3hr intervals. Found out that another circulation formed near it and absorbed it, re-generating into a TD. Not really a source I guess but it's something. Someone used this site too, to declare that 2014's Jangmi and a TD were separate systems. Typhoon2013 (talk) 08:55, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

That site uses the GFS model to simulate wind and is therefore not a source that will be used. Models need to be interpreted and any conclusion reached using one is original research. So it should be said that Aere and the tropical depression were two separate systems because the JMA analyzed it as such. Supportstorm (talk) 15:09, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

hPa

It is really disgusting that I have to put hPa into every single current infobox every time. Especially from Typhoon2013, this guy never used hPa in this basin. -- Meow 01:47, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Post analysis changes to tropical depressions

I will be changing information about the order of tropical depression since we now have a archive of post analysis weather maps from the JMA. I can prove that the JMA actually issues a post analysis of weather maps with a comparison of operational and after the fact products for anyone who is skeptical. I'm just letting people know now since the proposed edit will remove and change data on systems that the JMA thought were either non-tropical in nature post analysis or did not meet their criteria of classification as a depression. Supportstorm (talk) 15:18, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

There should be about 31 depressions that had "Gale Warning/advisories forecast to become a TS" systems. Grifforzer

We also include minor tropical depressions that the JMA did not forecast to strengthen to storm status. Supportstorm (talk) 18:33, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

This is fine by me but I would strongly suggest that Supportstorm, lists the systems that he removes on the talkpage.Jason Rees (talk) 18:58, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Sure. Here's a list of removed and added depressions

• Removed July 27 tropical depression at 27.1N, 131.4E, Operational data Post analysis
• Removed July 28 - 29 tropical depression at 23N, 146E, Operational data Post analysis
• Added August 12 tropical depression at 35.2N, 176.4E, Operational data Post analysis
• Removed August 17 - 18 tropical depression, found to be a continuation of Kompasu. Operational data Post analysis
• Added August 23 - 24 tropical depression at 16.8N, 118.9E, Operational data Post analysis
• Removed August 24 tropical depression at 18N, 113E, Operational data Post analysis

I believe these are all the changes that happened. Supportstorm (talk) 20:37, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Kompasu is the only one I would query since you seem to be adding on an extra day to the system.Jason Rees (talk) 21:48, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Actually I used the best track data for Kompasu so nothing changed there. It's just that operationally the JMA considered the depression I removed to have not be associated with Kompasu, but post works show the depression stayed an area of low pressure up until the formation of Kompasu. Supportstorm (talk) 23:48, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

:::@Jason Rees: I wanted to ask why the post-analysis source is like a blog or something, like it's not a report article? Typhoon2013 (talk) 22:13, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

@Jason Rees: Actually cancel that above, is good source? digital typhoon (<-- 26/5) a good source? Because they updated theirs and assume it's a BT data. If so, the season start is the 25th. Typhoon2013 (talk) 22:19, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

I posted the images on imgur so they could be easily compared, however yes the Digital Typhoon is the original source. The images are supplied to them by the JMA/JMBSC. The operational maps unfortunately are no longer found anywhere online that I know of. Supportstorm (talk) 23:42, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

I have archived every single operational JMA weather map in my Google Drive since November 2012. -- Meow 04:22, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Nock Ten

I heard that Nock Ten could have a pressure of 900 milibars. Is that true?

@109.156.125.217: This is not true. Though perhaps you are using the JTWC data where they hae recorded a pressure of 899 hPa? But here we follow the RSMC (JMA), so Nock-ten's pressure is 915 hPa. Typhoon2013 (talk) 10:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Different agencies have different estimates. Wikipedia follows RSMC Tokyo, also the Japan Meteorological Agency. -- Meow 13:46, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Naming lists

@Typhoon2013 Why did you say that no storms are expected to form? CMC still says that 93W will intensify, and after you check the models, I want you to bring both naming lists to what it looked like before. Abdullah Almarri - A.W.S.T. (talk) 12:42, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

I personally prefer the layout of the naming lists as we have them now as they take up a lot less room and are a lot more accessible to people. Not gonna comment on 93W.Jason Rees (talk) 19:03, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

@Abdullah Almarri - A.W.S.T.: I highly doubt that Muifa will form in the next three days. Typhoon2013 (talk) 23:10, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

93W has dissipated. Looks like there's no chance of anything else reaching TS intensity before 01/00Z. Damien4794 (talk) 09:56, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

Invest 94W

Invest 94W has formed, CMC says that it'll reach TS intensity on January 1st, but there's a chance that it'll receive the name Muifa. Abdullah Almarri - A.W.S.T. (talk) 11:12, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Calm down and remember that we do not speculate on what will happen with the tropics here. Either way if it does become a tropical storm, then it will receive the name Muifa even if its after January 1 since the main list is a rolling one.Jason Rees (talk) 11:31, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

But it might receive that name tomorrow, because TDs can receive JMA names before it becomes a TS. Abdullah Almarri - A.W.S.T. (talk) 12:48, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

It might, but the worst that will happen is that we can add it to the table at that time. I think you are confusing PAGASA with the JMA; the first names tropical depressions whereas the other only names tropical storms. — Iune(talk) 17:42, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

@Abdullah Almarri - A.W.S.T.: I can see that, though just to note that the JMA names storms when they reach TS strength, PAGASA names them if they classifiy it as a TD. Also to be very honest, CMC is not really a good model to look at; GFS, NAVGEM and ECMWF are three good models. Just calm down and wait until JMA classify it as a TD because we will never know if it will be part of the 2016/2017 season. Just ignore this first and enjoy the New Year's! :) Typhoon2013 (talk) 06:37, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Nock-ten cat5 point

Ok so probably the last message for this talk page. @Meow: @Supportstorm: Since we have already found source that Nock-ten had briefly reached Cat5 intensity several days ago, why is there still no Cat5 point in its track? Typhoon2013 (talk) 00:22, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

“The points show the location of the storm at 6-hour intervals.” -- Meow 02:34, 7 January 2017 (UTC)