Talk:2011 Football League One play-off final

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GA Review

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Reviewer: Usernameunique (talk · contribs) 00:39, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Lead

• No mention of Bournemouth or Milton Keynes Dons?

  Done. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:28, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Route to the final

• a defensive error from Tommy Rowe — Details?

  That's enough detail. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:28, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

• Sam Baldock's free-kick — Why was it awarded?

  The source doesn't say. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:28, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

• Charlie Lee was then sent off — Minute? Did this disqualify him from the final?

  Source doesn't have "minute" and it doesn't mention if he was suspended. But for two yellows it's normally suspension for just the following match, not three matches per a straight red. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:28, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

• Stephen Gleeson was also sent off — Straight red?

  Looks that way, source just says he was sent off, no mention of a second yellow. The source for the second leg says it was straight red as he appealed against it and could featured in the second leg. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:28, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

• converted the subsequent penalty — So the foul was in the penalty box?

  Yes, that's implied from "subsequent penalty". There's no other way a penalty can be awarded other than for an infringement in the penalty area. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:28, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

• Mackail-Smith's close-range strike made it 2–0 — Minute?

  Not mentioned in the source. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:28, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

• The second MK Dons–Peterborough game is given two sentences, compared to six for the first. Anything else that can be added to balance it out a bit?

  That's the difference between a game which has five goals and two sendings-off vs a game with two goals. 7 events to 2. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:28, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

• Jason Pearce was shown the red card for a foul — Straight red?

  Yes, that's why it doesn't say shown a second yellow. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:28, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

• Klibane and Shaun Cooper then scored but Kay scored the decider — Klibane hasn't been introduced, so should have a full name and link. Also, that makes two people who are introduced here—I assume they're for Bournemouth, but this should be made explicit (e.g., "scored for Bournemouth" or "Bournemouth's [first name] Klibane and Shaun Cooper then scored").

  Kilbane (Klibane was a typo) was already linked ("Kevin Kilbane put the visitors ahead...") and added words to make it clearer who each scorer played for. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:28, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Venue controversy

• This section doesn't say anything about why there was a "controversy". It just says that logistical consideration was given to the venue.

  Removed. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 08:36, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

• were also said — Who said?

  They just were, so removed. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:28, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

• It was later confirmed — When?

  Done. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:28, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

• Why couldn't they just play the matches on different days, or at different times?

  I don't know, they didn't ask me my opinion. I imagine television scheduling had a part to play, and traditionally all the play-off finals are conducted over the last weekend in May/first in June. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 08:36, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Background

• in the 1992 semi-finals — Any reason to not say "in the 1992 Football League semi-finals"?

  Well there's no such thing as the "1992 Football League semi-finals" and play-offs has already been noted in the earlier section of the sentence so it's implicit. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 08:36, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

  I guess it would be "1992 Football League Third Division semi-finals" then, is that right? I'm not wedded to the particular wording, but it might be nice to note what division/tier they were in when they played each other back then. --Usernameunique (talk) 05:09, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

  Well, it's the "play-off semi-finals", and the sentence in question goes "the play-offs, with Peterborough winning 4–3 on aggregate in the 1992 semi-finals..." so the scene is already set with "play-offs" mentioned before the comma and then semi-finals relates thereafter. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:41, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

• Are the images in this section from the match in question?

  I believe that to be the case. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 08:36, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Summary

• The match kicked off around 3 p.m. on 29 May 2011 at Wembley Stadium. — You mean Old Trafford?

  I do. Fixed. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:40, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

• from a tackle — Who tackled whom/what?
• Boyd then struck — Minute?

  Not in sources. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:38, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

• Peltier headed a Roberts pass over the Peterborough crossbar — Minute?

  Not in sources. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:38, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

• Jones caught Clarke's on-target header — Minute?

  Not in sources. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:38, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

• Benik Afobe, playing as a lone striker, then missed an opportunity — Details? Minute?

  Not in sources. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:38, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

• Mackail-Smith was denied once again by Kay — Details? Minute?

  Not in sources. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:38, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

• Roberts' free-kick was then tipped round the post by Jones — Minute?

  Not in sources. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:38, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

• Mackail-Smith then hit a shot wide — Minute?

  Not in sources. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:38, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

• McCann [] struck a curling free-kick over the bar — Minute?

  Not in sources. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:38, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

• Ward's run down the wing ended with his shot striking the Peterborough crossbar — Minute?

  Not in sources. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:38, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

• Kay then fouled Mackail-Smith — Minute?

  Not in sources. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 07:38, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

• Kay then fouled Mackail-Smith, who was through on goal and was shown a yellow card. — Kay was shown the card, yes? Grammatically speaking, the sentence says that Mackail-Smith was shown the card.

  Added a comma. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:28, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

• before Lee Tomlin's shot went over the crossbar — For what team? Minute? Also, this clause feels disconnected from the previous clause; I'd add the team and minute, and turn this into its own sentence.

  Added whose crossbar. There's no minute to add, so it's still there conflated with the previous goalscoring chance (which was converted) towards the end of the match. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:28, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Details

• The attendance (48,410) should be worked into "Summary" (probably in the first sentence).

  Done. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 08:36, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

• Any other of the yellow cards/substitutions worth mentioning? What was the point of the substitution in the 92nd minute?

  No. Usually late substitutions were made to waste time. The officials typically add 30 seconds for every substitution to the "additional time" but a slow, protracted substitution can easily eat up a minute or so. Sometimes, also, players are brought on towards the end so they can claim another "appearance" which sometimes is needed to allow them to qualify for a league medal or whatever. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 08:36, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

• Any reason the referee is mentioned at the top, apart from the officials mentioned in the "Match officials" section?

  That's how the template works. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 08:36, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Post-match

• What does "had the bottle" mean?

  Courage. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 08:36, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

References

• #11 — Link The Daily Telegraph?

  Done. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 08:36, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Overall

• The Rambling Man, over to you. --Usernameunique (talk) 00:53, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Usernameunique cheers as always, back to you. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 10:28, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

The Rambling Man, left a comment above, but nothing to hold up a pass. --Usernameunique (talk) 05:12, 1 April 2021 (UTC)