Talk:2006 Commonwealth Games medal table

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To tell the truth, I don't think there's much of a future for the Comm. Games, are we the only country that takes them seriously?

I'll predict now, 2022 will be the last edition of the Comm. Games - Prince Charles' ascension will ensure an inevitable decline. jkm 15:21, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

For some reason Canadian media tend to emphasise the total medal count over the Gold/Silver/Bronze ordering, can't possibly imagine why as for the most part they ignore the whole event. Dabbler 17:23, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Canadian media ignoring the games

Click here That article tell you why the Canadian media has ignored the CWG's...

- Many of our top athletes didn't make the trip
- NHL playoff hunt
- It isn't televised live here
- World figure skating championships
- World curling championships
- World Baseball Classic
- Couldn't send a competitive basketball team (Due to NBA/NCAA/CIS etc.)
- Melbourne is six months out of sync with our normal competitive year etc.

Its a bit of a circular argument, the media are ignoring the games because no one is interested because the media is ignoring the games. The truth is the Canadian media is hooked on American professional sports and doesn't care about amateur sports except, perhaps, once every two years at the Olympics for a couple of weeks. If the general public don't hear about other sports then they can't develop an interest. Dabbler 11:59, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

What a bore

Don't assume every Australian is interested in the games. When there's no world standard competition, what's the point of crowing over the medal count? 203.49.165.47 22:54, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Editing and sorting medal table

This is a technical question on creating and sorting tables of data on Wiki. Seems like there is not an easy way, because the tables and sub-sets of the tables are not always, if ever, correctly sorted according to this criteria: Total medal count, then alphabeticly by country where ties occur on total medal count..? Gregorydavid 08:01, 25 March 2006 (UTC) Hi, OK I see the criteria is golds first, then silver, then bronze and then alphabeticly by country where ties occur. So how do editors sort tables? Gregorydavid 08:06, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm afraid you just have to move the countries about manually! Robdurbar 18:10, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Notes

Someone may want to note why there is one more gold medal than silver. I don't know myself, so if anyone does, please tell me and I'll add the note. Also I'm guessing there are more bronze because in some events (like boxing) 2 bronze are given out. If this is not the case, iut may be a good idea to note that too. → J@red ^talk+ _ubx  15:36, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

There wern't more golds - someone just couldn't add up. Robdurbar 16:19, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Ah ha! Well I was just too lazy to do it myself, but I had good reason to believe what I said because it's been like that for a week or so. Thanks. → J@red ^talk+ _ubx  16:31, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Actually, having counted again, there is actually one more silver listed than golds Robdurbar 20:50, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

I triple checked it and had the computer add it for me. There's one more gold than silver. → J@red ^talk+ _ubx  21:48, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

bloody maths ;) Robdurbar 21:52, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Some events didn't give out medals at all, because there were too few finalists (one of the early shooting finals, for example). Likewise, some events only gave out a gold, some just a gold and silver. If there were dead heats for places, there would be two medals given out (this happened in at least one swimming event). Not many events affected, but enough to throw out the totals. --bainer (talk) 23:10, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Rankings

I suggest that these pages follow the criteria for Olympics pages, in that there should be only a "type" ranking. (The one that has been there the whole time.) If anything, though, get rid of the "Rank by gold" because ranks like this are useless and ties are easliy broken by checking silver and bronze. Comments? → J@red ^talk+ _ubx  21:19, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

I definitely agree. Remy B 08:12, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

You should join in the existing discussion at Talk:2006 Commonwealth Games#Medal table. --bainer (talk) 21:45, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Progressive medal counts?

What is the purpose of the progressive medal counts? (See here for the template with a full list.) I mean, I'm not sure I've ever looked at them, and plus, who cares how many medals New Zealand had as of 1974? All there should be is a total medal count (all-time) and per-year counts. In my opinion, while the progressive counts may be somewhat interesting, they have no true encyclopedia value. (See the Olympic medal count template for reference.) → J@red  12:14, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Paritially agree with this - I almost listed them for deletion when I saw them. However, I think that they should be put to use first, in order to create a definite and accurate 'all time' tally. Robdurbar 12:21, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

I disagree that they have no value - it is often assumed for instance that Australia has always dominated the Commonwealth Games - not so. Looking at an Overall Medal Tally gives this false impression that because Australia are so far out in front now - they must have always been in front - but in fact it wasn't until sometime in the 1990s - very recently, that Australia overtook England on the Commonwealth Games Medal Tally. Not sure which yet because I haven't got that far.

Another point I would make is, a Progressive Overall Medal Tally is produced after each edition of the Commonwealth Games going forward anyway - so why just delete it out of hand? After the 2002 Games there was an Overall Medal Tally, but now its different - but why get rid of that work - why not archive it and retain it?

Also, another point I would make is that the convention for recording medal winners in Commonwealth Games is different to the Olympics - for instance for the Commonwealth Games the CGF supports full re-distribution of medals won by countries no longer competing to succesor countries - something the IOC does not do. But, with the Commonwealth Games, medals won by Rhodesia in earlier games are now accepted as having been won by Zimbabwe or Zambia - as appropriate. Look here at the 1950 British Empire Games medal count - Commonwealth Games Official 1950 Auckland Medal Tally That is from the Official Commonwealth Games Federation website - and it recognises a country called Zimbabwe competing - though that country did not exist until the late 1970s, nearly 30 years later!

By retaining the work done in creating overall medal tallies after each edition of the Games rather than deleting it - changes like this to the medal tallies - and the redistribtion of medals to new countries from older ones (Ceylon/Sri Lanka); (British Honduras/Belize); (British Guiana/Guyana); (Sabah, Sarawak, Malaya/Malaysia) etc. can be recognised at the time they are made rather than adding to confusion later on. This last point I believe is important because it is a significant difference between how Commonwealth Games Overall Medal Tallies should be compiled compared to how Olympic Overall Medal Tallies should be compiled. In the Olympics there is by convention no redistribution, so there is no need to track how countries have changed over the years as if they are no longer competing you don't have to redistribute their medals. jkm 07:35, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Reconciling the Counts for New Zealand

Having prepared a table for each games, I think it is useful to keep the “running total” for each past games. I have copied the New Zealand totals for each Games with the idea of writing some early New Zealand at the xxx Games pages. Well NZ got 3 medals in 1934, shouldn’t take too long!

But the running total got by adding the totals for each games for New Zealand (124 gold, 168 silver & 238 bronze) is higher (by 1 gold & 4 bronze) than the running total given in the table for after 2006 (123 gold, 168 silver & 234 bronze). I think the difference occurs between 1978 & 1998, but as the running totals are not given for those years I can't say where. Has someone got a vast spreadsheet with every country included? Hugo999 (talk) 13:37, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Individual Competitors

I have added a Notable competitors para, with two who have competed at 6 & 7 games. Any idea which competitors got the most gold medals and most medals in total? Hugo999 (talk) 13:18, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

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