Talk:1999 Odisha cyclone

Cleanup

This article needs to be cleaned up big time.

E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 00:29, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Todo

More impact. Jdorje 21:27, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

I added more and added refs, but I haven't found very much info. This is gonna be tough. íslenska hurikein #12 _(samtal) 00:33, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Does anybody know of a place where I can get some info? íslenska hurikein #12 _(samtal) 17:51, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Look back in time here (Bangladesh) and here (India) for a lot of info...--Nilfanion (talk) 18:02, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh cool, thanks. íslenska hurikein #12 _(samtal) 18:52, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't see any good info. íslenska hurikein #12 _(samtal) 19:22, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

So what should i do now? íslenskur fellibylur #12 _(samtal) 21:52, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

More impact. I'm positive a storm only 7 years ago that caused several billion in damage has more impact out there. Hurricanehink (talk) 22:19, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I looked tons though. But some how, some way, after I look, you're able to find loads of info. I don't get it. Whatever, I look some more. íslenskur fellibylur #12 _(samtal) 22:26, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Are you convinced? Here's some links I found with a quick google search. Hurricanehink (talk) 01:01, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Links

• Impact and Aftermath
• Reason for disaster (deforestation)
• Impact and Aftermath
• Impact
• Impact and Aftermath
• India and Myanmar Impact, Aftermath
• Mitigation and Aftermath <-- This link shows that preparedness measures were established, leading to better preparations for a storm one one year after the cyclone
• Dartmouth Flood Observatory

Told ya you could find stuff somehow someway. Thanks for the links though; I'll get to work on it tomorrow. íslenskur fellibylur #12 _(samtal) 01:46, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

I think it looks much better, but I know there's more info out there. But I think I'm done working on it for now. Now for Chanchu. íslenskur fellibylur #12 _(samtal) 23:19, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

• Good info

Can it be upgraded to B or something now? íslenskur fellibylur #12 _(samtal) 03:14, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

It's better, but I'd like to see some more impact before upping it to B class. Hurricanehink (talk) 03:23, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Article Name

This article needs to be renamed to Cyclone 05B to be consistent with other cyclones in this basin (example: Cyclone Agni. --Coredesat 03:45, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Done. —Cuiviénen

Is this the best title for the article? Some reports, such as reliefweb, refer it as the Orissa Cyclone. I propose it be renamed to 1999 Orissa Cyclone, with a dab on the top indicating there was another cyclone that struck the area just weeks before. Hurricanehink (talk) 02:40, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind calling it 1999 Orissa cyclone, if that's what most media reports called it. --Coredesat 05:01, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Should cyclone be capitalized or not? Hurricanehink (talk) 05:45, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Per naming conventions, it should be left lowercase. --Coredesat 06:40, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I brought back the discussion that Nilfanion started on the WPTC talk page over naming conventions, including whether to capitalize the first letter of the last word or not (cyclone or Cyclone). Hurricanehink (talk) 17:24, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Naming the article 1999 Orissa super cyclone would distinguish it from the other cyclone that hit Orissa in the same month.Potapych (talk) 01:48, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

"Super cyclone" could be POV. Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 01:56, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I have a solution. The JTWC has the first inland datapoint for Cyclone 4B as being on the border between Orissa and Andhra Pradesh; since the cyclone came from the south, we know it hit Andhra Pradesh (though extreme eastern portion), so if Cyclone 4B needs an article, it could be 1999 Andhra Pradesh cyclone. ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:32, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

IMD says that made landfall in Orissa as well. "Super cyclone" is frenquently used, the other one could be called Gopalpur Cyclone, I guess. "Super cyclone" would also work since it is the first of only two official "super cyclonic storms".Potapych (talk) 15:16, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Naming the other one the Golpapur Cyclone might be confusing, since there are a few areas called Gopalpur (with the one in Orissa being called Gopalpur-on-Sea on Wikipedia). Just brainstorming, we could call this one the 1999 Jagatsinghpur cyclone, as that was where most of the deaths occurred. Simply calling this article the '99 Orissa super cyclone wouldn't be enough of a distinction, IMO. Then again, I think this one should be kept at the current title, since it was clearly the more famous of the two cyclones that hit Orissa in 1999. The other one could be called 1999 Ganjam cyclone, if/when it gets an article, since that was the district where it made landfall, and JTWC says that is where the most impact occurred. ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:27, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

That's what the Indian government called them on page 28 [1]Potapych (talk) 23:16, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

I personally don't think that calling it the Gopalpur Cyclone would be the best solution for Cyclone 04B. The article on Gopalpur is a dab to a city in India and Bangladesh. The one in India (Gopalpur, India) is to a city in West Bengal, but the city it struck was Gopalpur-on-Sea. Again, regarding whether or not to call this article super cyclone or just cyclone, I feel it would add confusion to the title. NIO articles generally just have the word "cyclone" in the title. ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 00:49, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

I think Gopalpur cyclone and Orissa super cyclone are both still better. Googling "Gopalpur cyclone" gives eight hits on the first page which are about the storm. "Orissa super cyclone" comes from a number of sources used in this article. Wouldn't those be more useful to the reader?Potapych (talk) 20:37, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Since I disagree with the above user, and he disagrees with me, does anyone else have any opinion? This discussion is for a what-if sceniario, since the other storm does not currently have an article. A current placeholder name, if someone takes the initiative to make it, could just be Cyclone 04B (1999). ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 01:10, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

WP:INDIA Banner/Orissa Addition

Note: {{WP India}} Project Banner with Orissa workgroup parameters was added to this article talk page because the article falls under Category:Orissa or its subcategories. Should you feel this addition is inappropriate , please undo my changes and update/remove the relavent categories to the article -- Amartyabag ^TALK2ME 03:00, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Finally moved

Thank God someone finally moved the article to its proper name. I always thought the article belonged under this name, long before I created my account. Nice to see that the title finally makes sense. Good job, people. --UltimateDarkloid (talk) 11:28, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Changes to links, and support for fatality count

The citation supporting the number of deaths and other claims here did not load for me. I think they've reorganized their site, and this site may be the original page referenced. If anyone remembers the original page, and I have it wrong, please correct me, but I've replaced a non-loading link with one that works. I spot-checked some of the claims and they seem to be supported.

The link supports the claim of 10,000 fatalities with the statement, "Official figures state 10,000 people died but could be more." I am adding a site which uses the value of 15,000, so I am updating the count to that number, unless anyone objects. I will leave the updated BAPS link for the other claims, then use the sigma link for the 15,000.

If anyone disagrees, let me know and we can sort through which value is best supported.--SPhilbrickT 16:38, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

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Corporate editing

Most of the Aftermath section looks like an advertisement for one particular organisation i.e. BAPS (which TBH I've never even heard of till I read this article), and no doubt the text was inserted by a member of the said organisation. The Red Cross is in a separate league altogether, but when it comes to charities and NGOs, I'm due there's no death of organisations doing their bit to help survivors after every such disaster. I don't see the need for any particular organisation to be highlighted to such an extent; makes the article look biased. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.177.12.12 (talk) 01:08, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

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GA Review

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Reviewer: TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk · contribs) 04:30, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

Hey-o,

• "The cyclone stalled just inland and steadily weakened due to persistent land interaction and dry air, remaining quasi-stationary for two days before slowly drifting offshore as a much weaker system; the storm dissipated on 1 November over the Bay of Bengal." – You already told us it stalled, don't need to tell us it remained quasi-stationary.
  • Removed the first mention of being stationary. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 04:39, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
• "The storm was the severest to strike Odisha in the 20th century" - Severest --> most severe?
  • Change made, though we do find severest in the Wiktionary. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 04:39, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
• "The storm's impacts exacerbated the damage caused by a very severe cyclone that had struck the same region less than two weeks earlier." - Link?
  • Linked to the relevant section on the season page. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 04:39, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
• "Although estimates of the death toll varied significantly—at times suggesting 30,000 fatalities—the Government of India enumerated 9,887 fatalities" - Yet the infobox says 9889.
  • Changed infobox figure to 9,899. The infobox figure includes deaths in Myanmar and Bangladesh; the snippet in prose is just talking about India, though I have since clarified this remark. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 04:39, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
• "Rather than moving inland as forecast, the tropical cyclone became quasi-stationary over the coastal Jajpur area as it lay within a weak steering region between two upper-level anticyclones." - Lay --> laid
  • Change made. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 04:39, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
• "Remaining situated over land, the storm steadily weakened as began to advect dry air into its circulation" - Missing a word.
  • Change made. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 04:39, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
• No more impact information for Myanmar?
  • After looking quite extensively for it, I have not found anything.
• "The state of Odisha sustained the most catastrophic damage associated with Cyclone BOB 03, which was considered the state's severest cyclone of the 20th century." - Severest --> most severe (severest is much less commonly used)
  • Change made. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 04:39, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
• "The damage was compounded by the earlier impact of a very severe cyclonic storm that had struck nearby areas just 11 days earlier." - Axe had, and avoid using it when you can.
• "...estimates for the storm's death toll vary significantly, though the India Meteorological Department indicated that around 9,887 were killed" - See earlier comment
  • All uses of the passive word axed. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 04:39, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
• "Total damage caused by the destructive cyclone amounted to US$4.4444 billion." - ILLUMINATI. That is all.
• "One visually estimated storm surge of 9 m (30 ft) was reported; however, this estimate was determined to have been too high;[1] regardless, no in-situ measurement of the peak storm surge exists as all potential instruments were destroyed by the storm. " - Split everything after the ref into a second sentence.
  • Sounds good to me. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 04:39, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
• "11,000 schools were either significantly damaged or destroyed." - Can't start sentences with numbers. Add an approximately?
  • I figured I would run into this issue. Change made. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 04:39, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
• You state over 20,000 flood embankment breaches in the lead but specify 20,005 breaches in the impact section. Not a major deal, but I like consistency.
  • As do I. Change made. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 04:39, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

That's about it. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 04:30, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

• All necessary changes made above have been applied. TheAustinMan^{(Talk·Works)} 04:39, 5 January 2017 (UTC)