Talk:1829 in rail transport

Need to verify Tom Thumb data with other references

An anon added the following:

?? 1st test of 'Tom Thumb' on August 24, 1830 >http://www.prrths.com/Hagley/PRR1830%20June%2004.wd.pdf

I'm inclined to believe the difference since I've found other items on Rivanna's anniversary pages that were incorrect, but I need to view this reference and I'd like to find a couple other references first. Slambo (Speak) 10:24, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

info about this link: Aug. 24, 1830 Experimental locomotive (later popularly known as Tom Thumb after an 1868 speech by John H.B. Latrobe) designed by and built by Peter Cooper of New York makes first public run on B&O, running to Relay and back with a dozen people; first US-built locomotive on a regular railroad; operates on sharp curves of B&O at speed between 5 and 18 MPH; body was built by Richard Imlay, Ross Winans and George Gillingham; boiler by Charles Reeder; 18-year old James Millholland substitutes connecting rods and cranks for Cooper's chain drive. http://www.prrths.com/Hagley/PRR1830%20June%2004.wd.pdf

additional info: August 28, 1830 - The Tom Thumb starts the first railway service in the United States. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_28 August 28, 1830 - 'Tom Thumb', the first locomotive built in America, ran from Baltimore to Ellicott's Mills, MD. http://www.kipnotes.com/Railroads.htm Aug. 28, 1830 Peter Cooper's locomotive (later popularly known as Tom Thumb after an 1868 speech by John H.B. Latrobe) runs over B&O to Ellicotts Mills and back as part of celebration of opening Oliver Viaduct at Ellicotts Mills. http://www.prrths.com/Hagley/PRR1830%20June%2004.wd.pdf In 1829 Mr. Cooper made some experiments with his little locomotive, built upon the principle he first adopted; but, as it did not perform as well as he espected and desired, he changed his plan, and, after some delays, made, as one may say, the first actual experimental trip on Saturday, August 28, 1830. A particular account of this experiment has been given the author by Mr. Winans himself, who was present on the occasion, and took a lively interest in the result. Mr. Winans writes: " On Saturday, the 28th of August last, 1830, the first railroad car propelled by steam proceeded the whole distance Tom Baltimore to Ellicott's Mills, and tested a most important principleÑ that curvatures of 400 feet radius offer no material impediment to the use of steam-power on railroads, when the wheels are constructed with a cone, on the principle ascertained by Mr. Knight, chief engineer of the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad company to be applicable to such curvatures. The engineers in England have been so decidedly of opinion that locomotive steam-engines could not be used on curved rails, that it was much doubted whether the many curvatures on the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad would not exclude the use of steam-power. To congratulate our fellow-citizens on the conclusive proof, which removes forever all doubt on this subject, and establishes the fact that steam-power may be used on our road with as much facility and effect as that of horses, at a very reduced expense. ... http://www.history.rochester.edu/steam/brown/chpt21.html August 28, 1830 Peter Cooper's locomotive pulls a regular train on a round-trip over the Baltimore & Ohio, making the return trip in record time, and becoming the first American locomotive to transport revenue passengers. http://www.nrhs.com/almanac/rr-almanac-1820-1839.pdf Aug 28, 1830 - Peter Cooper operates "Tom Thumb" - the first locomotive manufactured in the United Stares - on the Baltimore & Ohio Railroad. http://www.coxrail.com/database/timeline.asp

Wdew 14:19, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

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October events: Rainhill Trials: dates:

The Rainhill Trials were an important competition in the early days of steam locomotive railways, run in October of 1829 near Rainhill (just outside Liverpool). When the Liverpool and Manchester Railway was approaching completion, the directors of the railway ran a competition to decide whether stationary steam engines or locomotives would be used to pull the trains. The Rainhill Trials were arranged as an open contest that would let them see all the locomotive candidates in action, with the choice to follow. Ten locomotives were entered, but on the day the competition began -- 6 October 1829 -- only five locomotives actually began the tests. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainhill_Trials In 1829 between the 6th. and the 14th.October, the Rainhill Trials took place on the recently completed Liverpool to Manchester Railway. The purpose was to find a successful locomotive that would get rid of the frequent problems that were occurring all over the country. The railway company offered a prize of £500 for the winner. The successful locomotive was built at Stephenson’s works in Newcastle. It was not the first locomotive in the world and yet it became the most famous. Its name was the “Rocket” and its success removed from anyone’s mind the doubts over the future of the railway locomotive. http://website.lineone.net/~desmondodonnell/Great%20Northumbrians.htm The day of trial was changed from the 1st to the 6th of October, in order to give the new engines time to get in good working-order. http://www.history.rochester.edu/steam/brown/chpt11.html October 6-14, 1829 Locomotive trials are held at Rainhill, near Liverpool, Great Britain, to select the best design for the Liverpool & Manchester Railway. Among the Americans present are George Brown and Ross Winans of the Baltimore & Ohio, and E.L. Miller, representing the South Carolina Canal & Rail Road. http://www.nrhs.com/almanac/rr-almanac-1820-1839.pdf

Wdew 14:19, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Which date of the race is correct?

There are many links that containing several different dates of the race between Tom Thumb (locomotive) and the horse. Wich date is correct August 18 1830 [1] [2] [3] or September 18 1830 [4] [5] or August 25 1829 [6]? Blast furnace chip worker (talk) 14:49, 26 August 2011 (UTC) If August 25 1829 is not the date race then there is a mistake in Wikipedia here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1829_in_rail_transport.

This question has been put to several forum if you know the answer please reply on Talk:Tom Thumb (locomotive)-- PBS (talk) 21:46, 26 August 2011 (UTC)