Talk:"Never Again" Association

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VM - I requested you stop following me, please do stop. I've reverted a recent edit, as this content is fully supported by two English language sources. Furthermore this was covered in full length pieces in Polish media - e.g. Rzeczpospolita and Wirtualna Polska portal - which we shouldn't use directly per WP:NOENG (and possibly other issues) - however this is still an indication this is rather DUE.Icewhiz (talk) 05:04, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

I'm not "following you", it's the same topic area and related articles, so of course I have an interest. On the other hand, I've repeatedly asked you to stay the f off my talk page, a request, which you seem to be inclined to continually disrespect [1].Volunteer Marek (talk) 05:07, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

And the objections to this material which you seem intent on spamming into multiple articles have already been explained elsewhere. Please stop it with the WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT.Volunteer Marek (talk) 05:10, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Placing a DS alert in accordance with Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions#Awareness and alerts is required per policy. You are indeed following me - as pointed out in the diffs in that talk page message to you requesting you stop and as clearly evident in your recent edits - you've been asked to stop. Going back to content - this has been reported in multiple sourced in English and Polish. Also in Hebrew - e.g. [2] and here for instance - and probably in a few other languages should I look. This is rather clearly DUE, particularly since at present we have a very small article which should be expanded - not trimmed. That elsewhere you posted something, and didn't follow up to a refutation of your claims - is really not relevant. We following reliable sources here on Wikipedia. Icewhiz (talk) 05:17, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Oh - and in regards to your allegations of "dishonesty" - WP:STABLE clearly states: "The "stable version" is the most recent version of an article that has existed for any period of time without being contested or disrupted.". This article was indeed stable following creation, until you came along and starting removing well-sourced content. Icewhiz (talk) 05:19, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Lol. The article. Was. Created. A Few. Hours. Ago. To invoke "stable version" is ridiculous and a gross violation of WP:GAME. Your "explanation" of what WP:STABLE is, is a classic instance of WP:WIKILAWYERing. (and god that's a stupid definition of "stable"!)Volunteer Marek (talk) 05:21, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Any on-topic objection to including this material which was reported by 2 cited English language sources ([3] in The Art Newspaper - a respected magazine on art, and JTA in 2018 (reprinted in ToI and elsewhere) + there's a few others that reported as well), at least 2 Polish language sources (Rzeczpospolita and Wirtualna Polska portal), and at least 2 Hebrew language sources ([4], [5])? Icewhiz (talk) 06:58, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

I will further note, that after some additional digging, it would appear that The Art Newspaper functions as a paper of record for the international art scene - regularly quoted by the likes of the BBC, Smithsonian, and New Zealand Herald. In this Bocart, Fabian, and Kim Oosterlinck. "Discoveries of fakes: Their impact on the art market." Economics Letters 113.2 (2011): 124-126. academic paper (which had some impact - 20 cites) - it is described as a "leading source" for art (in this case, for reporting on discoveries of fakes). Icewhiz (talk) 07:00, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Which still makes it irrelevant for this subject. Also you claim in your edit summary that there was some RSN discussion about this and that "uninvolved" editors supported this text. Can you provide the link? You've started so many threads and discussions and made problematic edits to so many articles it's kind of hard to keep up. I'm pretty sure that no uninvolved editors actually supported you on this.Volunteer Marek (talk) 22:04, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

I have introduced well sourced information to many articles. Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Jew with a coin has uninvolved support. Subject matter - activities of Never Again is clearly relevant to Never Again.Icewhiz (talk) 02:59, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

n 2003, "Never Again" organized a tournament with the slogan "Let's Kick Racism out of the Stadiums"

• A tournament in 2003, wow! Please rconsider however that many fans were born after 2003, so they don't remeber anything.
• How did the action influence football fans? Do they wash their hands after visiting WC?
• Football fans kill and distribute drugs. Is their anti-Semitism really so importand comparing to murders and batteries? Xx236 (talk) 08:33, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Several sources on racism in Football seem to have taken note of this, so so should we. Icewhiz (talk) 09:07, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

As far it's only you, not we. Xx236 (talk) 05:54, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Please prove that the tournament solved any problem. There are thousands of tournaments in Poland yearly and this Wikipedia doesn't inform about them. The paragraph should be removed.Xx236 (talk) 06:00, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

It is WP:DUE as several top notch RSes cover the tournament or campaign of "Let's Kick Racism out of the Stadiums" in the context of "Never Again". It probably should be expanded in the article (which is fairly short) - at present we only have 95 words for Never Again's extensive anti-racist activities in soccer - whereas there really are copious sources covering this (as racism in football is a subject that actually well studied, and Never Again has received quite a bit of attention in the literature). As for whether they have been effective - do you have source assessing this? Icewhiz (talk) 06:22, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

In 2018, after over a decade of lobbying, "Never Again" convinced the Allegro site to halt sales of item bearing Nazi symbols

What is their position regarding selling Communist symbols, eg. Che Guevara t-shirts? Xx236 (talk) 08:37, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

No idea. Do you have a source?Icewhiz (talk) 09:08, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Is Haaretz sold in Kneset? Is any Israeli organisation against anti-Polonism?

http://niewygodne.info.pl/artykul8/04283-Antypolski-komiks-w-Haaretz.htm 08:47, 24 May 2019 (UTC) Xx236 (talk) 05:55, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Please see whataboutism and contribute to articles where these questions are on-topic. Boud (talk) 18:53, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Anti-fascist of the Year

• 2003 – Simon Mol

Simon Mol claimed to be a political refugee, but he wasn't one. He infected more than 10 women with AIDS and died of AIDS even if he claimed to be healthy.

Xx236 (talk) 11:38, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

See whataboutism. Boud (talk) 18:55, 11 October 2020 (UTC)