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*...that, since the 1994 San Marino Grand Prix, where Ayrton Senna (pictured) and Roland Ratzenberger died, this is the longest run in the history of the World Championship without a Formula One driver having been killed while driving?
*...that there were several allegations of cheating during the 1994 Formula One season?

  • ...that with the medals system, Lewis Hamilton wouldn't have the 2008 World Championship and several other drivers would lose or gain World Championships?

Comment: Would probably need to clarify what is meant by "the medals system". DH85868993 (talk) 02:36, 3 February 2009 (UTC)Reply

Should also be included in an article somewhere. As far as I know, we haven't mentioned the medal system in any of our articles. Apterygial 03:07, 3 February 2009 (UTC)Reply

*...that Louis Chiron is the only Monegasque driver was also the oldest driver to start a Grand Prix?

Whoa, DYK system changed? edit

Now it's all in neat 4-fact sets with a picture? I assume one can create such sets from the facts archive at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Formula_One/Did_you_know_(management) - correct? JCCyC (talk) 19:37, 6 February 2009 (UTC)Reply

If that is the case, let me suggest a set:


  • ...that Jody Scheckter (pictured) and Damon Hill are the only drivers to have ever competed with car number zero in a World Championship race? While Hill raced #0 for two full seasons (1993 and 1994), Scheckter only used it for two races in 1973.

*...that Johnny Servoz-Gavin is the one and only driver to score a point in the World Championsip with a Four-wheel drive car?

  • ...that the famous 22 km long Nürburgring Nordschleife used for the German Grand Prix until 1976 is not the longest track to ever hold a F1 World Championship race? This honor belongs to the Pescara circuit at 25 km. The circuit was used only once, in 1957.

*...that motor racing has been banned in Switzerland since 1955, but a Swiss Grand Prix was held in 1982? JCCyC (talk) 19:49, 6 February 2009 (UTC)Reply

The first hook is already in DYK/6. The change has also been done to make sure all of these hooks are referenced in the pages they link to. For example, what was Johnny Servoz-Gavin's (an article which contains my favourite piece of POV on Wikipedia: "A man of good looks and high society,") 4WD car? Apterygial 23:37, 6 February 2009 (UTC)Reply
Ah, I see. Well, the Matra MS84 is mentioned in Servoz-Gavin's article. (Was it there before?) Let me look for a fourth hook (and a pic) to complete a set... here. The fact is mentioned in Mr. Ecclestone's article.
 
  • ...that Bernie Ecclestone (pictured) bought the Brabham team for approximately US$ 120,000 at the end of 1971 and sold it for over US$ 5 million at the end of 1987?
If this is not how I should go abbout adding/suggesting DYK, please enlighten. Cheers. JCCyC (talk) 23:58, 9 February 2009 (UTC)Reply

This is the right place. We just need to get things hammered out before they are added into rotation. I had a look at the Ecclestone hook when I was setting up the DYKs before, and what stopped me from adding that fact was the Brabham page, which says "He sold MRD to Alfa Romeo for an unknown price." and then cited. I'm interested, therefore, in where the US$ 5 million comes from. Apologies if I'm being a little picky with this, but I want to aim for Featured Portal at some point so all the hooks have to be referenced. Apterygial 00:35, 10 February 2009 (UTC)Reply

I've formatted some of them, and will add them into the next set I do. Apterygial 11:31, 18 February 2009 (UTC)Reply

DYK dump edit

Here goes, these have been on the main page:
*... that the Aston Martin DBR4 Formula One car failed to score even a single World Championship point, even though Aston Martin sports cars won many races?
*... that former journalist Walter Hayes developed the business case for the development of the Ford Cosworth DFV, the most successful engine in Formula One history?
*... that new Manchester City F.C. chairman Khaldoon Al Mubarak was also the man who negotiated the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix's inclusion in the 2009 Formula One season?
*... that the Haas Lola Formula One team's cars were not built or designed by Lola Cars International, but were entered as Lolas because Carl Haas was their official importer to the United States?
*... that prior to Singapore's first Formula One race in 2008, the last running of the Singapore Grand Prix was as a non-championship race run to Australian Formula Two rules in 1973?
*... that motorcyclist Jo Siffert was killed in an end-of-season non-championship Formula One on October 24, 1971 at Brands Hatch?
*... that Fernando Alonso became the youngest Grand Prix champion after winning the 2003 Hungarian Grand Prix?
*... that the 2003 British Grand Prix was disrupted when defrocked Catholic priest Neil Horan ran into the path of the oncoming cars?
*... that Michael Schumacher won the Spanish Grand Prix in 1995-1996 and again from 2001-2004?

Now since these have been on the main page, I'm going to assume they check out enough to be on the portal. Any problems? Apterygial 11:27, 18 February 2009 (UTC)Reply

Nominee? edit

 

Chubbennaitor 14:42, 15 March 2009 (UTC)Reply

That's good, but I would cut it short at "... that Scuderia Ferrari have entered every FIA Formula One season?" Apterygial 22:48, 15 March 2009 (UTC)Reply
Fine. I'll get a possible picture. Chubbennaitor 17:27, 16 March 2009 (UTC)Reply
OK. I'll throw it in with the next round. Apterygial 21:41, 16 March 2009 (UTC)Reply

Have we had one about the first female driver or the most sucesful? Chubbennaitor 16:56, 17 March 2009 (UTC)Reply

DYK 8 has the only winnner. Apterygial 22:55, 17 March 2009 (UTC)Reply
DYK 8? Another:
  • ...that Jenson Button won the 2009 Australian Grand Prix after leading every lap of the race.
  • ...that Brawn scored a 1-2 on their debut which hasn't happened since 1954 with Mercedes.

Chubbennaitor 17:27, 29 March 2009 (UTC)Reply

The first one happens often enough to not really be interesting enough for DYK. The second one is very interesting. I'll add it into the next one. BTW, DYK 8 refers to Portal:Formula One/Did you know/8, and so on. Apterygial 23:00, 29 March 2009 (UTC)Reply
The first one happens often? Is the Ferrari one in. Chubbennaitor 17:20, 30 March 2009 (UTC)Reply
Once or twice a season (though not last season). The Ferrari one is in. Apterygial 23:06, 30 March 2009 (UTC)Reply

More DYKs edit

 
  • ...that British racer Damon Hill (pictured) is the only racer to have won a championship without leading in a single lap. World Championship)
  • ...that an average F1 driver looses about 4 kg of weight after just one race due to the prolonged exposure to high G-forces and temperatures for little over an hour?
  • ...that in a street course race like the Monaco Grand Prix, the down force provides enough suction to lift manhole covers. Before the race all of the manhole covers on the streets have to be welded down to prevent this from happening!
  • ...that the refuelers used in F1 can supply 12 litres of fuel per second. This means it would take just 4 seconds to fill the tank of an average 50 litre family car.They use the same refueling rigs used on US military helicopters today.

Note: I've moved all of these here from DYK 16, and I will go through them and sort them out when I have time. They look like they need a little work, though. Apterygial 09:23, 31 March 2009 (UTC)Reply

What do you mean by the top one? Chubbennaitor 19:28, 1 April 2009 (UTC)Reply

The top one must clearly be false, since he won races during his 1996 (successful) championship campaign. EdwardRussell (talk) 23:56, 25 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

Half-points DYKs edit

 
Jochen Mass
The second one is a good one, and I'll use it with the next lot. The first, while I appreciate what you've done, is a touch obscure and is based more on mathematical chance than F1 driving. Nice work, though! Apterygial 07:23, 8 April 2009 (UTC)Reply
I've used a varient of the second one (DYK 17) which is more race neutral, giving us another opportunity to reference Malaysia 09. Apterygial 03:50, 21 April 2009 (UTC)Reply

Suggestion edit

 
Good one. I'll put it in the next round. Apterygial 21:52, 16 April 2009 (UTC)Reply

LeaveSleaves 16:12, 19 April 2009 (UTC)Reply

    • I think here I'll add whichever hook runs on the main page, as I'd like to have all of our main page DYKs on the portal. So we'll hold back making a call here for a bit. I'd like to stick, if possible, with no more than one hook per GP, as I'm trying to keep the balance between recent and old F1. Anyone got any older F1 hooks (60s in particular)? Apterygial 09:35, 20 April 2009 (UTC)Reply
  • While the first one might clear main page DYK, I suggested second one simply because it might interest Formula One enthusiasts more than a general reader. And if you feel, you can change the article in second nom to Vettel's. LeaveSleaves 12:45, 20 April 2009 (UTC)Reply
  • Darth Newdar seems correct. The Reuters source I used at first was saying one lap per part but all other sources I searched are saying this only about Q2 and Q3. So I guess that DYK is no good. LeaveSleaves 13:39, 20 April 2009 (UTC)Reply
  • Loosing my head. Now Vettel in press conference says "one run in Q1 on the hard tyre". Don't know what to make of that. Anybody happened to catch highlights of qualifying? LeaveSleaves 13:47, 20 April 2009 (UTC)Reply
The best thing I can offer is this handy document from the FIA. In Q2 and Q3 he ran three laps (out, flying, in), but in Q1 he ran five (out, flying, in, out, flying, session over). I don't know if that's the correct interpretation, but it does seem to indicate he did more than one flying lap in Q1. Apterygial 00:57, 21 April 2009 (UTC)Reply
First one accepted for Main Page with revised wording:

* ... that at the 2009 Chinese Grand Prix the Ferrari and Toro Rosso cars displayed messages of support for the victims of the 2009 L'Aquila earthquake?

LeaveSleaves 14:04, 27 April 2009 (UTC)Reply

Suggestions edit

*...that in 2009 Brawn GP won their first two Grand Prix they entered in, becoming the first team to do so since Alfa Romeo in 1950?

Darth Newdar (talk) 06:56, 20 April 2009 (UTC)Reply

    • There is one very similar to the first one in DYK 4, and we could substitute this one for that one. See the previous section for my thoughts on the second one. Apterygial 09:36, 20 April 2009 (UTC)Reply
      • It's up to you about the Brawn one. My personal opinion is that the one above is slightly better. Darth Newdar (talk) 13:27, 20 April 2009 (UTC)Reply

Not a very good DYK... edit

The following DYK:

... that the 2009 Formula One season is be the 60th World Championship season?

is both bad english (needs to have a "to" between is and be) and is now defunct as the 2009 Formula One season has started. What do you reckon? Change the tense? Darth Newdar (talk) 13:29, 20 April 2009 (UTC)Reply

OK, I've fixed it. Apterygial 00:32, 21 April 2009 (UTC)Reply

No North America edit

... that the 2009 season is the first one ever without a race in North America? —Preceding unsigned comment added by JCCyC (talkcontribs) 16:14, 20 April 2009 (UTC)Reply

Good one, I've tidied it up. Apterygial 01:19, 21 April 2009 (UTC)Reply

Nick Heidfeld, 21th Century's Chris Amon edit

 

...that Nick Heidfeld (pictured) holds the unenviable record of most 2nd place finishes without a win? JCCyC (talk) 19:59, 24 April 2009 (UTC)Reply

This is crossed out but I don't see it in the portal? JCCyC (talk) 22:18, 12 June 2009 (UTC)Reply
It's in DYK18 which I haven't transcluded, as I'm waiting for a couple more hooks to flesh it out. Apterygial 23:57, 12 June 2009 (UTC)Reply

Suggestions edit

...that Ferrari's start to the 2009 Formula One season was their worst since 1981? Darth Newdar (talk) 14:03, 26 April 2009 (UTC)Reply

  • We already have a lot of Ferrari hooks. At any rate, I'd prefer to wait until the end of the season, they have to finish at least fifth in the Constructors' Championship with two wins to do better than 1981... Apterygial 00:23, 27 April 2009 (UTC)Reply

...that when Lewis Hamilton won the 2007 Canadian Grand Prix he became the nineteenth British driver to win a Formula One World Drivers' Championship race? Darth Newdar (talk) 16:55, 26 April 2009 (UTC)Reply

Because there have been nineteen British drivers who have won GPs - Hamilton was the latest "new" one. Darth Newdar (talk) 06:37, 27 April 2009 (UTC)Reply
Sorry, I'm not convinced. To me, it reeks of British bias, there have been heaps of nations with drivers in F1 but not everyone gets a hook. Apterygial 11:37, 27 April 2009 (UTC)Reply
Speaking of countries, Brazil has 99 GP wins. It's highly likely that either Barrichello or Massa will win a GP shortly. Will that be deserving of a hook? JCCyC (talk) 19:45, 4 May 2009 (UTC)Reply

...that David Walker, in the 1972 Formula One season, failed to score a point, while his team-mate, Emerson Fittipaldi, won the Drivers' Championship? Darth Newdar (talk) 17:04, 26 April 2009 (UTC)Reply

I'd suggest reordering the words for better flow, i.e. "...that in the 1972 Formula One season, David Walker failed to score a point, while his team-mate, Emerson Fittipaldi, won the Drivers' Championship?". DH85868993 (talk) 03:00, 27 April 2009 (UTC)Reply

Possible new one edit

...that during the 2009 Monaco Grand Prix, Rubens Barrichello became the driver who has completed the most laps in Formula One history. Darth Newdar (talk) 01:37, 25 May 2009 (UTC)Reply

This one would be best incorporated into DYK15, but I haven't worked out how. BTW, it needs to be mentioned and referenced in the GP article. Apterygial 00:47, 30 May 2009 (UTC)Reply
I've referenced it in the Barrichello article, so I shall transfer it across. Which has now been achieved. Darth Newdar (talk) 15:07, 1 June 2009 (UTC)Reply
I merged it into DYK15. It might need updating every now and then. Apterygial 11:15, 16 June 2009 (UTC)Reply

Some old ones edit

... that Al Pease was the only driver ever to have been disqualified for being too slow? (Canadian Grand Prix 1969)

... that Emerson Fittipaldi still claims to have won the 1973 Canadian Grand Prix, despite the official classification showing Peter Revson as the winner?

... that Niki Lauda almost won the 1976 season in which he was burned heavily, but lost because he did not want to drive in the torrential rain of Fuji Speedway?

... that Stirling Moss won the 1956 Italian Grand Prix because Luigi Potti pushed him to the pits after he ran out of fuel?

... that Wolfgang von Trips died while trying to become the first German World Champion, but had founded a karting circuit where Michael Schumacher started his racing career, who eventually did become the first German champion?

... that Vittorio Brambilla won the 1975 Austrian Grand Prix by finishing backwards, after crashing in the last corner?

That is not correct. He spun and crashed after the finish line. See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G2BneQb8Hc JCCyC (talk) 20:12, 22 July 2009 (UTC)Reply
Indeed he did. I never saw actual footage of his crash. ziggy (talk) 20:52, 22 July 2009 (UTC)Reply

... that the Brabham BT46B was the only car to have won 100% of the races it entered? The controversial fan car was forbidden after its first race.

The Brabham BT46 is one of the selected articles, so I don't really want to have it on the portal twice. The others are good at first glance. Apterygial 08:09, 23 July 2009 (UTC)Reply

ziggy (talk) 20:04, 21 July 2009 (UTC)Reply

Mark Webber edit

* ...that the Nürburgring is the only circuit to have hosted three different Formula One Grands Prix? (German Grand Prix, European Grand Prix, and Luxembourg Grand Prix) JCCyC (talk) 20:24, 22 July 2009 (UTC)Reply

  • Second one is better, as it doesn't have the recentism problems we seem to be developing. While I am hugely happy about the first one, I feel we may have too many hooks from this season already. Apterygial 07:56, 23 July 2009 (UTC)Reply

More Archaeology edit

From the old DYK discussion. There are a few ones with ties into the Real World™, which I personally like. YMMV.

  • ...that Suzuka is not the only F1 circuit to have a layout with a bridge over itself? The Italian Grands Prix of 1955, 1956, 1960, and 1961 were raced on an alternative layout of Monza that included a high-speed oval crossing over the "normal" layout between Lesmo and Ascari (then called Vialone).
  • I can imagine most people (F1 virgins) saying "Suzuka has a bridge"? Needs a reword which doesn't assume prior knowledge of F1 tracks. Apterygial 11:35, 4 August 2009 (UTC)Reply
  • I'm not sure what point this one is trying to make. Is it a condemnation of apartheid, pointing out the irony of holding races there under apartheid and not since? I'm a touch confused. (All Chinese Grands Prix, for example, have taken place under communism). Apterygial 11:35, 4 August 2009 (UTC)Reply
It is also incorrect, since there were GPs there after 1991. Zwerg Nase (talk) 12:53, 22 January 2015 (UTC)Reply

*...that in the 1997 European Grand Prix, held at the Circuito Permanente de Jerez, the top three qualifiers had the exact same time? Jacques Villeneuve, Michael Schumacher and Heinz-Harald Frentzen established the time of 1:21.072. The pole went to Villeneuve, since he was the first to set the time.

*...that the longest gap between consecutive Grand Prix starts by a driver is more than 10 years? Jan Lammers retired from the Dutch GP on July 3 1982, and did not make another start until the Japanese GP on October 25 1992.

  • We'll wait on this one, for obvious reasons. Apterygial 11:35, 4 August 2009 (UTC)Reply
  • ...that, when the Williams team used to be sponsored by various Saudi Arabia-based companies (most notably Saudia), its drivers were forbidden to pop champagne on the podium due to Islamic rules? Moreover, one of those companies belonged to the Bin Laden family.
  • Can you show me an article this appears in? Apterygial 11:35, 4 August 2009 (UTC)Reply
  • Only web sources -- and none in English that has pictures. But it's true. Check. It's on the sidepods near the front wheel. The Albilad company also belongs to the family. (The name does ring a bell, innit?)
Regazzoni: http://ante-et-post.weblog.com.pt/2006/02/curiosidades_sobre_rodas_v
Jones: http://colunistas.ig.com.br/flaviogomes/2007/12/28/bin-williams/
Forum discussion: http://www.ten-tenths.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=14333
JCCyC (talk) 22:33, 4 August 2009 (UTC)Reply

*...that the first time an onboard camera was used in a Formula One race was the 1985 German Grand Prix, on François Hesnault's Renault?

*...that, as of 2009, the last win by a driver older than 40 years was in the 1994 Australian Grand Prix by Nigel Mansell?

  • Could you add this to the GP article before I add it? Thanks. Apterygial 11:35, 4 August 2009 (UTC)Reply
  • Added. The GP article itself isn't nothing to look at, but I put that fact on Notes, with a link. JCCyC (talk) 21:52, 4 August 2009 (UTC)Reply
  • You might want to point out the significance of the number 1 in F1. Apterygial 11:35, 4 August 2009 (UTC)Reply

*...that slick tyres, reintroduced in 2009 after being banned in 1998, were first used in F1 by Firestone in the 1971 Spanish Grand Prix? The other tyre supplier (Goodyear) soon followed suit.

JCCyC (talk) 15:38, 23 July 2009 (UTC)Reply

Following Massa's crash in the 2009 Hungarian GP edit

... that Felipe Massa wasn't the first driver to have been hit in the head by an object? In the 1960 Belgium Grand Prix Alan Stacey was hit by a bird and crashed, killing him. Tom Pryce was killed when hit a fire extinguisher in the 1977 South African Grand Prix, and Jochen Rindt struck a stone while practicing for the 1970 French Grand Prix, but did not suffer serious injuries. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ziggyziggyziggy (talkcontribs) 18:23, 25 July 2009 (UTC)Reply

Helmut Marko lost sight in one eye to a peeble in the 1972 French Grand Prix. JCCyC (talk) 03:12, 26 July 2009 (UTC)Reply
Bizarrely enough, that's exactly what I was going to say. I'm a little busy with other stuff on Wikipedia at the moment as well as some RL things, but I'll endeavour to have a look over all these DYKs later in the week. Apterygial 06:04, 26 July 2009 (UTC)Reply

Place looks dead, so here's something about Jack Brabham edit

 
  • ...that Jack Brabham (pictured) is the only driver to have won races in three different decades? (The 1950s, the 1960s, and the 1970s) JCCyC (talk) 03:31, 24 October 2009 (UTC)Reply
Good one. I'll put that in. Apterygial 22:47, 29 October 2009 (UTC)Reply
    • Erm, I guess we should add "so far" to that. For obvious reasons. ;) JCCyC (talk) 17:38, 23 December 2009 (UTC)Reply
      • If the Mercedes proves competitive... Apterygial 23:17, 23 December 2009 (UTC)Reply

2009 Brazilian Grand Prix trophies edit

  • ... that the trophies presented to the first three place-getters at the 2009 Brazilian Grand Prix were constructed of recycled plastic bottle tops, collected on site over the course of the grand prix weekend, and remoulded at the site's plastic recycling plant. DH85868993 (talk) 01:37, 24 November 2009 (UTC)Reply
I added a ref to the article, so this one is good to go. Apterygial 02:45, 24 November 2009 (UTC)Reply

First suggestions for a while... edit

Would any of these be of any use?

Bigdon128 (talk) 22:50, 24 February 2012 (UTC)Reply

I think that the point number two is now outdated - Romain Grosjean received more in 2012 than Lewis Hamilton received the previous year. EdwardRussell (talk) 23:58, 25 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

New Formula 1 did you knows? edit

Speedy Question Mark (talk) 11:16, 12 June 2014 (UTC)Reply

New Did You Knows edit

91.66.204.192 (talk) 19:41, 22 January 2015 (UTC) Sorry, forgot to log in, that was me. Zwerg Nase (talk) 19:42, 22 January 2015 (UTC)Reply

New DYK edit

Hope I haven't repeated any. Obama gaming (talk) 06:38, 1 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

I got one reading through edit

I read one about South Africa and apartheid reading through, and I had an idea.

TheBlueSkyClub (talk) 16:28, 14 February 2023 (UTC)Reply