Portal talk:Current events/2023 June 6

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 June 2023

The following is my original edit, which was removed because of "synthesis". I disagree that a third party source (yahoo) is better than the actual Russian law itself, but I have added an edit below. Please add it. It is very pertinent. I request that you investigate why this is being removed from Wikipedia.

OLD:

• • • On May 31st, a few days before the breach, Russian authorities publish a law that prohibits investigations into breaches of hydroelectric dams. (Russian Official Internet Portal of Legal Information)

NEW:

• • • On May 31st, a few days before the breach, Russian authorities publish a law that prohibits investigations into breaches of hydroelectric dams. (Yahoo) (Russian Official Internet Portal of Legal Information)

The above segment should be added under the Kakhovka dam breach entry. Kai robert (talk) 10:33, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

The actual source for the material cited is Ukrainska Pravda - see the relevant section on Yahoo at WP:RSNP: Yahoo! News runs both original reporting and syndicated feeds of other sources. Editors have treated the original reporting as an ordinary WP:NEWSORG, and thus presumed generally reliable. Take care with syndicated content, which varies from highly reliable sources to very unreliable sources. Syndicated content should be evaluated as you would evaluate the original source. Syndicated content will have the original source's name and/or logo at the top. Under the circumstances, I'd have to suggest that a better source would be needed. If this is seen to be of significance, independent mainstream media are going to comment on it. AndyTheGrump (talk) 10:41, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure whether Ukrainska Pravda qualifies as a reliable source. Has this been discussed before? — The Anome (talk) 11:12, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

This review at Eurotopics seems to suggest that Ukrainska Pravda likely qualifies as a reliable source. — The Anome (talk) 11:16, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

It should probably be noted that the Ukrainska Pravda piece is more than a little ambiguous as to what the law actually says. I don't think it supports the above claim that it "prohibits investigations" in general. It seems to be saying that official 'technical investigations' won't occur. And from an (obviously WP:OR) look at the law itself, via Google translate, this seems to be the focus of the legislation - regulation of such a broader category of official investigations in Russian-occupied territory. One could speculate as to why the Russians find such legislation necessary, but that isn't Wikipedia's job. Leave that to uninvolved secondary sources. AndyTheGrump (talk) 11:30, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Continuing with the side-note on Ukrainska Pravda, this seems to further suggest that it is a reliable source in the Wikipedia sense. However, that's only a single source. I'd like to see wider coverage of this before adding this topic to the article. — The Anome (talk) 11:34, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: discussion is ongoing and better sources are probably needed. Actualcpscm (talk) 14:36, 8 June 2023 (UTC)