Draft talk:The Fantastic Four (2025 film)

Is this even Phase Four anymore?

Nothing about this film has been updated since June 2021. While I know we don't know everything behind the scenes, we haven't really got a lot of updates on this film in recent months. According to scooper trades, the film starts production in 2023, which projects it for around 2024 or 2025, which pins to Phase Five as opposed to Phase Four. Blade enters production in July this year, which pins it to that November 2023 that Disney set for a Marvel film. Discuss thoughts on this, as personally I believe Blade is now Phase Four and Fantastic Four is Phase Five, but I know that it will probably not be possible at this time to consider them such. -TrixieCat123 (User talk:TrixieCat123) 20:42, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

We can only go on the sources that we have not, personal opinions. - adamstom97 (talk) 22:46, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Writers Hired?

So, in the July 28, 2022 Production Weekly listing found here, it lists Fantastic Four, among other MCU titles, and in it, it states the writers are Michael McCullers and Shane McGoey. A quick Google search shows that DisInsider's co-founder posted about them back on Dec. 12, 2020, but admitted he just got it from IMDb. The screenshot of the listing I uploaded here. I'm not too sure what we should do with this information, whether to note it or not and just hold onto it for now. Trailblazer101 (talk) 03:39, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

I would lean towards holding on and looking for confirmation. It could be that they were hired, put it on their IMDb, and Production Weekly was also in the know, or it could be a rumour that someone added to IMDb which Production Weekly picked up on. - adamstom97 (talk) 05:26, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Cast

I hereby would like to make a request to my fellow Wikipedia editors that this upcoming Fantastic Four is a third " reboot" since the Fox 20th Century Studios held the franchise . It will be set in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Please refrain from re- editing this added information as it is to our knowledge, that all the four main core characters will be featured for the first time in the MCU timeline . These characters are namely Reed Richards, Susan Storm , Johnny Storm and Ben Grimm which are the well- known Fantastic Four members.

I hope that everyone will have a clear understanding to my abovementioned discussion, as the cast announcement is expected in the upcoming D23 Expo. There has been NO "unsourced or falsified " actor names iterated in this edit but ONLY the mentioned characters . We can agree however that Marvel Studios will in due course announce the rest of the cast members .

Thank you for your grecious time and co operation! Prospermeer98 (talk) 13:01, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

You have been repeatedly reverted in your additions as the characters have not been officially announced by Marvel Studios, you are assuming, despite how obvious it may seem. The formatting you've used to add them is also not how we were to implement this. A lot of rumblings of a cast announcement coming up do not justify additions without an official, reliable source. Please be patient, there is WP:NORUSH in adding this information. Trailblazer101 (talk) 13:27, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

We need a source to support any of that, even if it seems obvious. Otherwise that violates WP:OR. InfiniteNexus (talk) 16:42, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

silver surfer

cosmic circus reported that silver surfer is getting a marvel studios special presentation and it'll be a prequel to this film.223.187.252.51 (talk) 11:58, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

The Cosmic Circus is considered an unreliable source and as such, that information is not to be used as fact. Trailblazer101 (talk) 13:46, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

SAG-AFTRA

How do we know that SAG-AFTRA listing Pascal means he is officially cast and they aren't just basing that on the same information that we already have? I don't think we've ever used a SAG-AFTRA listing to confirm casting before. - adamstom97 (talk) 20:57, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

I think the fact that it was listed is fairly notable and its removal doesn't automatically mean it was incorrect. I interpreted it as them relaying information they may have thought was already public knowledge rather than it stemming from all the other reports, though I could be wrong. I think this could be a similar case to that site saying Mads Mikkelsen was in Doctor Strange 2 and Mashable listing the roles for Agatha. Trailblazer101 (talk) 21:44, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

I don't think it isn't noteworthy and am happy with the sentence we have in the production section, I'm just not convinced that this is reliable confirmation of the casting being completed on the same level as Pascal, Marvel, or the trades confirming the casting. - adamstom97 (talk) 00:35, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

It is somewhat skeptical, I will give you that, and probably not up to the same level of the trades or other traditional confirmations. I will note that the likes of SuperHeroHype, Game Rant, JoBlo, World of Reel, ComingSoon, Dexerto, MovieWeb, CBR (in a since deleted post), and Christopher Marc of ThePlaylist all took this either as a confirmation or as implying a confirmation. If others feel strongly, I would be alright with hiding Pascal from the lead/cast section, etc. for the time being. Trailblazer101 (talk) 01:18, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Well Shakman has straight up posted on IG Stories the SAG AFTRA news bit so that’s practically confirmation. He didn’t deny it or anything. MarioProtIV (^talk/_contribs) 14:55, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Gizmodo also takes the SAG-AFTRA mention as potential confirmation, while TechRadar, Screen Rant (in another mysteriously since deleted post), and AIPT Comics all took Shakman's post as indicating further confirmation. This may be a case of WP:VNT with how all these sties essentially came to roughly the same conclusion on this. Trailblazer101 (talk) 16:32, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

that's a fake instagram account. KingArti (talk) 17:58, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Well, that's funny and explains SR's deleted post. Trailblazer101 (talk) 20:05, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

So it seems to me that we just have speculation about whether the SAG-AFTRA listing is true confirmation or not, so I am still pro us hiding Pascal in the lead and cast list for now. - adamstom97 (talk) 21:44, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

I agree @Adamstom.97 KingArti (talk) 22:30, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

I also agree with keeping the info hidden for now. -- ZooBlazer 22:44, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Roger that. I have hidden the info now. Glad to have some clarity and common stance on this from regular editors. Trailblazer101 (talk) 23:06, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Ralph as Galactus

says he was cast and not just in talks

source 2600:1004:B301:158C:48DD:C844:66BC:E06C (talk) 00:11, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

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edit: oh, never mind. does say he's in talks 2600:1004:B301:158C:48DD:C844:66BC:E06C (talk) 00:11, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

At first they say he's in talks but they go on to say that he's actually landed the role: "Ralph Ineson, [...] has landed the plum part of Galactus, the antagonist in Marvel Studios’ The Fantastic Four.". And in their tweet they say he's been cast: 'Fantastic Four' Casts Ralph Ineson as Galactus. Aldwiki1 (talk) 00:27, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

A lot of trades use "cast" and "landed" when, per the fine print, there are still some terms to be negotiated before a deal is actually finalized. THR wouldn't have included "in talks" in the sub-headline if it wasn't accurate. Trailblazer101 (talk) 00:35, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Deadline's report indicates Ineson is fully cast. Ineson himself also corroborates on X. Rusted AutoParts 01:01, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

While Deadline's report says "tapped" and not "cast" and Variety also says he is "the latest addition", TheWrap also says he is "in talks". Ineson didn't directly confirm he was cast yet, and we cannot infer that from his tweet. There is WP:NORUSH in listing him in the cast lists and we can wait for more sources to eventuate on if his deal is fully completed. Trailblazer101 (talk) 01:30, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

"tapped" and "landed" can mean chosen/agreed to be cast, so they don't contradict the "in talks" bit. No reason why he can't be in talks and also want to share the news on social media either. - adamstom97 (talk) 09:50, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

@Favre1fan93: I think we should still be holding off until we get confirmation that he is no longer in talks. His tweet did not say that talks were complete, and the source you added just says he "essentially confirm[ed] the casting". - adamstom97 (talk) 16:08, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

I agree, I'm still not convinced by Ineson's tweet, and the ComicBook article doesn't independently confirm his casting. Trailblazer101 (talk) 17:26, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

I guess then my question would be why is it that THR is being given the most credence? Deadline and Variety report on it as a done deal. When it comes to TheWrap, they are essentially reporting on the THR report. It just seems, coupled with Ineson himself directly acknowledging, that it's a done deal. Rusted AutoParts 01:32, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Additionally, The Gersh Agency, his American talent agency, announced his casting on Instagram. Rusted AutoParts 01:38, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Because THR had the exclusive. We have two trades saying he's in talks and two using phrases that do not actually explicitly confirm his deal is finalized, as Adam and I noted, so there is no clear right or wrong here. The best course of action is to note he is in talks. I know talent agencies love to prop up their actors and, as an involved party, it is best to take their post lightly as it differs from what third-party sources have stated. There is no harm in seeing if any of the trades clarify their reports based on that, though I doubt it. While I would typically offer we include these mentions, they don't seem definitive enough to warrant a passing mention or saying he is 100% cast just yet. Again, there is WP:NORUSH. We'll get more solid confirmation eventually. Trailblazer101 (talk) 02:47, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

I appreciate the caution, it just really feels like too much erring on the side of caution. I'd be more inclined to wait for more concrete intel but with Ineson and his representation both directly acknowledging it, I feel comfortable including him in the cast lists. And if THR was the originating source would it not stand to reason Deadline and Variety, being their own entities, independently verified the news as being confirmed at that point? Rusted AutoParts 03:12, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Except Deadline and Variety didn't directly say he was cast. "Tapped" and "landed" are not mutually exclusive to being cast. It could refer to final negotiations or being the finalist. Ineson didn't confirm he was cast and his agency saying it in a tweet is similar to the trades simplifying wording in other tweets. I'm just not convinced by arguments this was a done deal when the news broke. It likely could be signed within this next week, though when we have sources that differ, we should go with what the exclusive report said and potentially note what the others said, though the cagey wording makes it difficult to pinpoint specifics of the negotiations vs casting narrative that a talent agency is likely to lean into for their client. Trailblazer101 (talk) 03:23, 11 May 2024 (UTC)