Category talk:Scouting and Guiding in the Netherlands

Move proposal

Gramatically, in a phrase, "The" should not be capitalized. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 01:05, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

But here it's part of the official name of the country. This has come up before. — Rlevse • Talk • 01:15, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Wrong-read how it's typeset in the country article. It's not used in Dutch, and when in a sentence or a phrase, should be lower-cased. It's an English oddity. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 01:49, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

We used to have it LC and the issue came up and we went to UC. I'll ask Wim and Egel. And this is the English wiki ;-) — Rlevse • Talk • 01:53, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes it is, there is no need to point that out to me, as an English teacher-your point is incorrect in English as well. It is not in the country name, (it's not even part of the article name). Because it does not exist in Dutch, it cannot be "official" as you claim, but if you look at how it is typeset in the article Netherlands, it is not capitalized outside of the first word in a sentence. You're my friend, but it is totally rude to have removed my proposal from Wikipedia:Requested moves. Commenting would have been polite, removal treats me as though I am stupid. I'm supposed to be the rude one, you're supposed to be the good guy. :) Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 02:10, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

• Support the move. I note the use of capitalisation in Kingdom of the Netherlands and would take it that the title requires the definite article but the definite article is not part of the title, as in the Scilly Islands. This article needs a move template on it otherwise it is likely to be removed from the request list. Ex nihil (talk) 02:22, 3 October 2008 (UTC) ...OK, I added the template myself Ex nihil (talk) 02:28, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
• No discussing page, so my support here: after a quick look, most (all?) other Dutch cats are "in the netherlands". Sebastian scha. (talk) 02:15, 3 October 2008 (UTC) (moved [and strike] from Wikipedia:Requested_moves Sebastian scha. (talk) 02:31, 3 October 2008 (UTC))

Just another example: There is this commons thingi on the category page, and now where does it link? Yes: [commons:Category:Scouting in the Netherlands] Sebastian scha. (talk) 03:03, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

• Neutral if the definite article is used and Netherlands is capitalised, is the rest a English language question. --Egel _Reaction? 11:51, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
• Lowercase. I live in the Netherlands. Actually in Dutch I live in Nederland (singular). Why the English use the plural I don't know. Wim van Dorst (talk) 18:15, 3 October 2008 (UTC).

So you both (Egel and Wim) support the rename? (I'm confused, but this is often.) The proposal is to rename it into Category:Scouting in the Netherlands. Please see {cfr} at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2008 October 3 or the category itself. Thank you. Sebastian scha. (talk) 00:20, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Dutch people are quite used to using lowercase letters in names and titles. The consistent use of them in English is then only to be expected. Wim van Dorst (talk) 21:39, 4 October 2008 (UTC).

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Note That's totaly right this move request was wrong. I've never thought about it. I installed the cfr template and nominated the category to be renamed. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2008 October 3, but I think the discussion should continue here. Greetings. Sebastian scha. (talk) 05:57, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

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