Category talk:Business services companies established in 1861
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@Doprendek: hi, why have you categorised this business a Business Services Company? Thanks, Eddaido (talk) 21:20, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
- @Eddaido: I understand stock and station agencies, based on the description, as something that primarily offers services to commercial farms and ranches in Australia. If this isn't/wasn't the case feel free to change it back. Also, should this discussion be on the Wright Stephenson talk page instead? Doprendek (talk) 15:38, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
- @Doprendek:Not on that talk page because I want you to discuss what you think you are describing by "Business services companies". Perhaps you could make it plain somewhere prominent. A grocery store provides business services??!? Eddaido (talk) 00:45, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
- @Eddaido: If "stock and station agency" means "grocery store," then it would be a retail company. But neither this article nor the "stock and station agency" article suggested (to me) that this term is analogous to "grocery store." And it was just "Companies etc.", not "Retail companies etc." when I change it. I already told you why I thought it was a business service company. If you understand it to be a consumer retailer, then just change it. Doprendek (talk) 00:59, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
- @Doprendek:Are you saying we should all know what you think a business services company is? Is General Motors a business services company? To my mind they provide the service of supplying new cars if you want one of their brands. You need to define what YOU mean somewhere in the categories system, maybe at the top. And yes, stock and station agencies are also grocery stores as well as General Motors agents . . . and . . Eddaido (talk) 01:05, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
- @Eddaido: "You need to define what YOU mean somewhere in the categories system..." OK, boss... Since when? Alright, I see this is obviously not about finding a good-faith solution to the categorization of a particular article, but about you feeling designated as some kind of enforcer, and you're going through some dominance exercise with obnoxious stawman arguments rather than work with me or explain your own position. I have explained myself in this particular instance. I have categorized thousands of articles. There are a number of potentially ambiguous or cross-definitional categories currently in use, but as anyone who done any data work that involves real-world categorization (not just in Wikipedia) knows, that is normal, not exceptional. A business services company provides services to businesses, it is not primarily an end-product or end-consumer company. That is a wide definition and I did not make it; someone else created this category long before I was involved, presumably because it was deemed useful. If you had ever indicated that you were interested in a good-faith discussion of what does and does not constitute a 'business services company' I might get involved, but your words and tone are all about me justifying myself to you, who is apparently some kind of (self?)-designated Wikipedia manager or enforcer. It is not up to me to explain to YOU (all caps are fun!) my definition of a 'business services company' so that you can then attack it, or hover over and police my edits, which you have by now clearly indicated is somehow, and for some reason, your right and your intention. Doprendek (talk) 14:22, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
- @Doprendek: Ha ha ha. There is a mistake in your i.d. then? Aren't you one of the very small group that runs Wikipedia categories? Eddaido (talk) 22:16, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
- @Eddaido:"There is a mistake in your i.d. then?" I.d.? What are you talking about? "the very small group that runs Wikipedia categories"? Excuse me, there's a "group" that "runs" Wikipedia categories? And I have an 'i.d." that says I'm part of it? Again, what are you talking about? Seriously. Nothing you just wrote makes any sense to me. Doprendek (talk) 02:50, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
- @Doprendek: You have explained to me you are not who or what I thought you were. I'm sorry about that but it is not your fault is it. Now I understand you've just seen a category name and assumed you knew what it meant, just like anyone else might, and public-spiritedly begun to populate it with likely looking articles. Eddaido (talk) 04:28, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
- @Eddaido:"There is a mistake in your i.d. then?" I.d.? What are you talking about? "the very small group that runs Wikipedia categories"? Excuse me, there's a "group" that "runs" Wikipedia categories? And I have an 'i.d." that says I'm part of it? Again, what are you talking about? Seriously. Nothing you just wrote makes any sense to me. Doprendek (talk) 02:50, 21 November 2018 (UTC)
- @Doprendek: Ha ha ha. There is a mistake in your i.d. then? Aren't you one of the very small group that runs Wikipedia categories? Eddaido (talk) 22:16, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
- @Eddaido: "You need to define what YOU mean somewhere in the categories system..." OK, boss... Since when? Alright, I see this is obviously not about finding a good-faith solution to the categorization of a particular article, but about you feeling designated as some kind of enforcer, and you're going through some dominance exercise with obnoxious stawman arguments rather than work with me or explain your own position. I have explained myself in this particular instance. I have categorized thousands of articles. There are a number of potentially ambiguous or cross-definitional categories currently in use, but as anyone who done any data work that involves real-world categorization (not just in Wikipedia) knows, that is normal, not exceptional. A business services company provides services to businesses, it is not primarily an end-product or end-consumer company. That is a wide definition and I did not make it; someone else created this category long before I was involved, presumably because it was deemed useful. If you had ever indicated that you were interested in a good-faith discussion of what does and does not constitute a 'business services company' I might get involved, but your words and tone are all about me justifying myself to you, who is apparently some kind of (self?)-designated Wikipedia manager or enforcer. It is not up to me to explain to YOU (all caps are fun!) my definition of a 'business services company' so that you can then attack it, or hover over and police my edits, which you have by now clearly indicated is somehow, and for some reason, your right and your intention. Doprendek (talk) 14:22, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
- @Doprendek:Are you saying we should all know what you think a business services company is? Is General Motors a business services company? To my mind they provide the service of supplying new cars if you want one of their brands. You need to define what YOU mean somewhere in the categories system, maybe at the top. And yes, stock and station agencies are also grocery stores as well as General Motors agents . . . and . . Eddaido (talk) 01:05, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
- @Eddaido: If "stock and station agency" means "grocery store," then it would be a retail company. But neither this article nor the "stock and station agency" article suggested (to me) that this term is analogous to "grocery store." And it was just "Companies etc.", not "Retail companies etc." when I change it. I already told you why I thought it was a business service company. If you understand it to be a consumer retailer, then just change it. Doprendek (talk) 00:59, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
- @Doprendek:Not on that talk page because I want you to discuss what you think you are describing by "Business services companies". Perhaps you could make it plain somewhere prominent. A grocery store provides business services??!? Eddaido (talk) 00:45, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
- @Eddaido: I understand stock and station agencies, based on the description, as something that primarily offers services to commercial farms and ranches in Australia. If this isn't/wasn't the case feel free to change it back. Also, should this discussion be on the Wright Stephenson talk page instead? Doprendek (talk) 15:38, 19 November 2018 (UTC)