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UEFA Champions League Sponsors List

Hello,

Personally I don't understand by your reason to remove the list again, saying "we don't need that". I mean, why this only became a problem after all those years? MArvAlcao17 (talk) 01:55, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Also, that list includes regional sponsors which people might not known. It's a good piece of information. MArvAlcao17 (talk) 02:58, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Sure, people might not know about the minor sponsors, but all they would have to do is click through to UEFA’s website and a big list of sponsors will be available there. Wikipedia is not meant to be an indiscriminate collection of info, we have to show some editorial judgement. – PeeJay 06:40, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Those regional sponsors are not being shown on the website unless they're in the area which that regional sponsors intend to target (Example: Strauss and Expedia for the US market, so they can only see those logos in the UEFA website if they access that in the US, IRL or via VPN).

Such info are not indiscriminate. I just don't get it, that was a mainstay in the UCL wiki page for around a decade (with updates) and it wasn't until now it became a problem? MArvAlcao17 (talk) 06:54, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Of course it’s indiscriminate. A full list of sponsors is the sort of thing that would only be of interest to a small number of people reading that article. The vast majority of people neither need to know or care that the UCL has a US-only sponsor called Engelbert Strauss. – PeeJay 06:58, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

It's not like those numbers are that small.

if some people aren't interested they can just skip those section. No need to remove those unless it has false information, which is not in this case.

Also, according to the Wikipedia "an indiscriminate collection of information would be a collection of information gathered "without care or making distinctions" or in a "thoughtless" manner".

If you think that lists are made "without care" or "thoughtless", tell me how those who add it being such that way? I mean it's being checked to make sure it's factually accurate, it's been cited with the announcement from the UEFA website. MArvAlcao17 (talk) 07:10, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Something being factually accurate is not the only deciding factor for whether it should be included on Wikipedia. You've not provided any reason to include this information aside from "some people might find it interesting", but those numbers are in fact quite small. – PeeJay 08:17, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm not the one who add the list in the 1st place, just updated that few months ago.

It's not about "some people might find it interesting" and "but those numbers are in fact quite small" is not a valid enough reason to justify its removal.

And Where were you after all these years? Millions of readers/editors for a decade or so not considered that as a problem even though they might not be interested on that and suddenly you did it. MArvAlcao17 (talk) 08:24, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

So what? The amount of time that something has existed in an article has no bearing on whether it should be included in the article. As @Silent Nemesis2710 pointed out in their original edit summary, the list is a violation of WP:PROMOTION and WP:DIRECTORY. Ignorance of those policies/guidelines is not a valid reason to ignore them. – PeeJay 08:28, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

If that list is considered as an advertising then so does this entire website.

"Advertising, marketing, publicity, or public relations. Information about companies and products must be written in an objective and unbiased style, free of puffery."

Where's the puffery in that? MArvAlcao17 (talk) 08:34, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

There was discussion on this before, last year, where it was agreed that it was unnecessary. Other sporting events do not have a "sponsorship" section. It is an ad on an encyclopedia page, and violates the two policies I listed. WP:PROMOTION and WP:DIRECTORY already cover this.

> if some people aren't interested they can just skip those section.

We should go by the policies defined, which explicitly state that wikipedia is not meant to be a catalog of all information (WP:DIRECTORY). Silent Nemesis2710 (talk) 18:15, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

If that mere list is considered as an advertising then this whole site is a place of advertising.

Can you please give me the site of the discussion and the detailed explanation of those violation? Thank you. MArvAlcao17 (talk) 07:26, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

"where it was agreed that it was unnecessary."

Whether it's unnecessary or not is a subjective conclusion. The matter is the interpretation of those two policies. MArvAlcao17 (talk) 07:39, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

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