Template talk:Ln

Encodefirst should be integrated

Even with 14,000+ edits, I learnt of {{Encodefirst}} only today when I read about it on WP:VPT. A new editor is very much unlikely to know about its existence. Now its documentation says, "For example, {{la}} fails as of August 2017 if its argument starts with * ". So, instead of having the users figure out how to fix the issue, the template itself should integrate whatever is needed to fix things. Thanks! —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 21:20, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

 Done after testing in the sandbox and on the testcases page. – Jonesey95 (talk) 12:12, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 20 July 2023

When we insert the name of a talk page, there is a bug (example). To correct it, you will have to replace "[[Talk:{{{1}}}]]" by "{{TALKPAGENAME:{{{1|}}}}}". 176.173.221.52 (talk) 11:16, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: This is an improper use case issue. {{lt}} is the template for linking templates; {{la}} is for linking articles. Primefac (talk) 12:41, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 1 June 2024

• Template:Ln → Template:Namespace links
• Template:lnt → Template:Namespace talk links
• Template:Lc → Template:Category links
• Template:Lct → Template:Category talk links
• Template:Ld → Template:Draft links
• Template:Ldt → Template:Draft talk links
• Template:Lf → Template:File links
• Template:Lft → Template:File talk links
• Template:Lh → Template:Help links
• Template:Lht → Template:Help talk links
• Template:Lp → Template:Portal links
• Template:Lpt → Template:Portal talk links
• Template:Lm → Template:MediaWiki links
• Template:Lmt → Template:MediaWiki talk links
• Template:Lw → Template:Wikipedia links
• Template:Lwt → Template:Wikipedia talk links
• Template:Lmd → Template:Module links
• Template:Lmdt → Template:Module talk links
• Template:Lttxt → Template:TimedText links
• Template:Lttxtt → Template:TimedText talk links
• Template:La → Template:Article links
• Template:Lat → Template:Article talk links
• Template:La-abbr → Template:Article links abbreviated

– I will start by acknowledging a previous RM in 2018 on this issue, but I don't see anyone in that discussion who actually cited WP:TMP and it has been 5+1⁄2 years.

Per WP:TG, Template function should be clear from the template name, but redirects can be created to assist everyday use of very popular templates. I doubt that there are any editors who can guess what (to pick an arbitrary example) Template:Ln does without having read the documentation / seeing it used, so the current name is a clear violation of the guideline.

Using opaque names is no problem for experienced editors, but makes it slightly harder for newbies to learn what templates do (WP:BITE). The current names of these templates might not be the most pressing or largest problem facing Wikipedia, but it is certainly a problem worthy of a solution (in other words, this is not a solution looking for a problem).

Using obvious names also makes it easier to remember the names of these templates (see WP:TPN: Template names are easiest to remember if they follow standard English spelling, spacing, and capitalization (also see the naming conventions for articles)).

Of course, redirects would be kept and per WP:NOTBROKEN would not be bypassed to use the longer form.

Pinging participants at the previous RM: @BD2412, BrandonXLF, Crouch, Swale, Dreamy Jazz, Gonnym, JohnBlackburne, Locke Cole, Primefac, and Steel1943. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 22:11, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

• Weak support. I know it's more customary to have templates' titles be more descriptive these days, but the templates have been at these names for quite a while ... leaving me to believe moving them may have some sort of WP:SURPRISE factor. Steel1943 (talk) 22:16, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support indeed template names are supposed to say what they are and not normally require people to know what the appreciation is for similar to using {{citation needed}} instead of {{cn}} as the title. Crouch, Swale (talk) 22:16, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support as to all, per User:Crouch, Swale. Redirects are cheap, but good, descriptive template titles are priceless. BD2412 T 23:11, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support, obviously. To answer the opposition from last time (and hopefully assuage Steele1943 as well) the old names will still be available as redirects! No one actually uses {{Template link code}}, they use {{tlc}}. Similarly, if this goes through, they will still be available, but for someone who doesn't use these all the time (*cough cough* me) {{article links}} is the intuitive template name rather than {{la}} (which I still never remember when I see it in the wild). Primefac (talk) 06:44, 2 June 2024 (UTC)