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  • Parachromis managuensis → Jaguar cichlid – (Discuss) – So, the last time a name change for this article has been discussed was back in 2007 (see "article title" up above). This article used to be named "Managuense cichlid," but was later changed to the Latin name and current title, Parachromis managuensis, on the basis that it was the least ambiguous epithet for the species. Which is true. Latin names are almost always less ambiguous than vernacular names, but they're almost never as concise or recognizable - for the same reason we have articles named Great white shark and Largemouth bass rather than Carcharodon carcharias and Micropterus salmoides, I'm going to propose that this article be renamed to Jaguar cichlid. For the WP:CRITERIA of recognizability and naturalness, I present the Google Search results for the names listed in the article's lede (in order from most hits to least): * "jaguar cichlid": ~93,700 results * "parachromis managuensis": ~40,900 results * "jaguar guapote": ~9,680 results * "managuense cichlid": ~8,720 results * "guapote tigre": ~8,640 results * "aztec cichlid": ~4,090 results * "managua cichlid": ~1,470 results * "spotted guapote": ~812 results "Jaguar cichlid" is more than twice as prevalent on the web as the Latin name. It's nearly a full order of magnitude more prevalent than the next most popular vernacular name, "jaguar guapote" - and if that's where we draw the line, then names like "managuense cichlid" and "guapote tigre" aren't even in the running. This is supported by Google Trends, which shows that on average, "jaguar cichlid" is searched for 47 times more than "parachromis managuensis" and "managuense cichlid" worldwide. We should name the article accordingly. Simple as. Kodiak Blackjack (talk) • (contribs) 00:06, 13 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 11:51, 28 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Cremastra (talk) 22:51, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hit-Girl & Kick-Ass → Kick-Ass (comic book) – (Discuss) – Series is most commonly known as "Kick-Ass". Even the original "Hit-Girl" miniseries was collected under a "Kick-Ass" title. Mark Millar's official web site mentions "Kick-Ass", but not "Hit-Girl". 2002:620D:3AF:0:F89C:267A:F5A2:2C10 (talk) 22:08, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Karan Bhushan Singh (politician) → Karan Bhushan Singh – (Discuss) – Seems to be the WP:PRITOP over the existing redirect. jlwoodwa (talk) 21:59, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sudhakar Singh (politician) → ? – (Discuss) – Sudhakar Singh is also a politician, so this disambiguation doesn't work. jlwoodwa (talk) 21:49, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Italian mafia operations in Atlantic City → Organized crime in Atlantic City – (Discuss) – The organized crime committed in Atlantic City has not always been perpetrated solely by Italians, and other ethnic crime groups are indeed mentioned in the article. I believe the proposed title provides a clearer description of the contents of the article. Shaolin Punk (talk) 21:44, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Love (1991 film) → Love (1991 Indian film) – (Discuss) – Dab from Love (1991 Soviet film) * Pppery * it has begun... 18:50, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • NewLabour Party (New Zealand) → NewLabour Party – (Discuss) – This was requested ~7 years ago and no consensus was reached. I think it's been enough time to request a new move. WP:SMALLDETAILS was practically created for this type of situation: The general approach is that whatever readers might type in the search box, they are guided as swiftly as possible to the topic they might reasonably be expected to be looking for, by such disambiguation techniques as hatnotes and/or disambiguation pages. When such navigation aids are in place, small details are often sufficient to distinguish topics, e.g. MAVEN vs. Maven; Airplane! vs. Airplane; Sea-Monkeys vs. SeaMonkey; The Wörld Is Yours vs. other topics listed at The World Is Yours. The lack of a space between 'New' and 'Labour' seems more than sufficient enough to distinguish this page from other similar titles. Loytra (talk) 15:30, 28 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. SilverLocust 💬 17:07, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Highland Council → Highland Council – (Discuss) – Per WP:THE, and to be WP:CONSISTENT with the articles on other Scottish council areas, and other jurisdictions of all sorts generally.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  15:32, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mind control (disambiguation) → Mind control – (Discuss) – Mind control does not necessarily refer to brainwashing, which is specifically referring to a concept of semi-permanent mental manipulation. It can also fall under the banner of hypnosis, a temporary form of mind control, whether in reality or using fictional powers to do so and Manipulation (psychology), secretly messing with someone's mind. It can even include Brain–computer interface, controlling a computer with one's mind. Therefore, there is no clear primary topic for this term and it should not be a primary redirect. (As an addendum; the target page has history, so if the move goes through, it should probably be moved to something that still redirects to brainwashing) ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:06, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sexual and gender-based violence in the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel → Sexual violence in the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel – (Discuss) – Gender-based violence is defined as "any type of harm that is perpetrated against a person or group of people because of their factual or perceived sex, gender, sexual orientation and/or gender identity".[3] It is not currently clear that this article deals with any such violence other than that of a sexual nature, and even then, the lede states that male Israelis were also subjected to sexual violence (which if true suggests that it was not gender-based). A previous discussion on this topic has also shown that many people do not understand what the term "gender-based violence" actually means, so whether including it in the title is usefully descriptive is quite questionable.

References

  1. ^ Metcalfe, Alex (2022). "Italy, Islam in premodern". In Fleet, Kate; Krämer, Gudrun; Matringe, Denis; Nawas, John; Rowson, Everett (eds.). Encyclopaedia of Islam, Three. Brill. ISBN 9789004161658.
  2. ^ Rizzitano, U. (1978). "Kalbids". In van Donzel, E.; Lewis, B.; Pellat, Ch. & Bosworth, C. E. (eds.). The Encyclopaedia of Islam, Second Edition. Volume IV: Iran–Kha. Leiden: E. J. Brill. p. 496. OCLC 758278456.
  3. ^ "What is gender-based violence? - Gender Matters". Council of Europe.
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Deadstar (talk) 08:22, 28 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 08:55, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The 7-day listing period has elapsed. Items below may be closed if there's a consensus, or if discussion has run its course and consensus could not be achieved.
  • Nandamuri Taraka Rama Rao district → NTR district – (Discuss) – The actual name of the district. The expanded title is not and of course not used by RS. I've reverted an earlier move, but it is again moved to the incorrect title. I did not want to get into a move war, thus this RM. — DaxServer (t·m·e·c) 08:47, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Khanqah → Sufi lodge – (Discuss) – Per WP:USEENGLISH and for a more inclusive title that reduces confusion. Recapping what was discussed in the thread above:
    Until now, this article has been the main overview article for Sufi religious institutions/venues. There are various terms used in Arabic/Persian/Turkish/etc for this type of institution, with the choice varying roughly by region. This is explained in the article already ("Etymology" section) and also conveniently in the equivalent entry of the Encyclopedia of Islam, Three ([42]):  ::

    Khānaqāh (or khānqāh) is a Persian word for the place where Muslim mystics gather. It was, and still is, used mainly in Iran, Afghanistan, Central Asia, western China, and the Indian subcontinent. Other terms were more common elsewhere, such as zāwiya in Arab lands, Africa, and Indonesia, and tekke in Turkey and the Balkans. All these terms are often interchangeable. Usually translated as “Ṣūfī lodge” (rather than “convent”) in English, the khānaqāh is a room or an establishment where Ṣūfīs assemble around a spiritual master to perform rituals (often by night or in darkness) and to share meals, to communicate with one another, and to follow spiritual teachings.

    While the term "khanqah" is one of the most common terms for this type of place, it is not used in all regions, and in some regions the different terms may also have slightly different meanings. This has led to confusion on more than one occasion over this article's scope, over which title editors should link in other articles, etc. Changing to an English term, which is more generic, would avoid this problem and make the title a little more neutral, in addition to being easier for unfamiliar English readers. As the source above indicates, "Sufi lodge" is the favored English term. An ngram of the most common English variants seems to confirm this. The various non-English terms should redirect here (as most already do) or, where appropriate, can be turned into subtopic articles for more specific types of Sufi institutions or for specific regions (e.g. like Zawiya (institution), Dargah). R Prazeres (talk) 07:06, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Srebrenica massacre → Srebrenica genocide – (Discuss) – I suggest that we rename this article to "Srebrenica genocide" now that the UN has issued its resolution on the matter today, designating July 11 as the International Day of Reflection and Commemoration of the 1995 Genocide in Srebrenica Please also check the discussion above. Njamu (talk) 06:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Timeline of the Donald Trump presidency → Timeline of the presidency of Donald Trump – (Discuss) – Please correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I've found, there was never a discussion for the 2018 moves of countless timeline pages regarding the presidencies of US presidents. Based on this, I would like to discuss whether it might be more useful to move those pages so that they follow the format "Timeline of the presidency of ..." rather than having the presidency as a "attachment" to the president's name as it is now. –Tobias (talk) 16:07, 26 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 04:24, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • 2023 Perth City Council election → 2023 City of Perth council election – (Discuss) – "Perth City Council" is a colloquial and informal name, which is not in official use anywhere. The Local Government Act 1995 does not use the term "City Council" anywhere. Steelkamp (talk) 06:11, 9 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 01:15, 17 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 12:59, 26 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 04:06, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ming (typefaces) → Ming typefaces – (Discuss) – Per WP:NATURAL. Remsense诉 02:40, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nagi Yanagi → yanaginagi – (Discuss) – current name is wrong, see above for explanation, I cannot move it as I am not autoconfirmed, please make the "y" in the name small letter if possible, thank you. Sohryu Asuka Langley Not Shikinami (talk) 09:41, 26 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 01:26, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Tungipara Sheikh family → Family of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman – (Discuss) – The current name of the article is Tungipara Sheikh family which is WP:OR. The name is originated from original research and no historical book or news article call this family by Tungipara Sheikh Family. This family, unlike Suhrawardy family, wasn’t part of publication or scholarly research before the creation of Bangladesh and before Sheikh Mujibur Rahman and that's why people didn’t give any specific name for the family of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman. There are many books and research papers mention the family as "Family of Bangabandhu" or "Family of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman". Bangabandhu is his title so it is reasonable to name this article Family of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman. There are sources to verify my claim. For example, see this article where it says "8 Bangabandhu family members, relatives to contest polls". The Daily Star states "Bangabandhu family to get more security, free utility, foreign treatment" (see here). Now some sources also call this family as Sheikh family. See this Bengali source where it says in title "শেখ পরিবার থেকে নেতৃত্বে যারা" (lit. 'Those led from the Sheikh family'), but if you read the content then you will get "...দশম জাতীয় সংসদে বঙ্গবন্ধু পরিবারের সাত সদস্য ছিলেন। একাদশ জাতীয় সংসদ নির্বাচনে অংশ নেওয়া বঙ্গবন্ধু শেখ মুজিবুর রহমানের পরিবারের ৯ সদস্যই প্রতিনিধিত্ব করছেন.." (lit. '...There were seven members of the Bangabandhu family in the 10th National Parliament. 9 members of the family of Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman who participated in the 11th National Parliament election are represented...'). Now the question is if the nine members are really from the direct bloodline of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman or not. * Sheikh Hasina : Daughter of Mujib * Sheikh Selim : Son of Mujib's sister * Sheikh Fazle Noor Taposh : Son of Mujib's nephew * Sheikh Helal Uddin : Son of Mujib's brother * Noor-E-Alam Chowdhury Liton : Son of Hasina's cousins * Abul Hasanat Abdullah : Son of Mujib's brother-in-law * Sheikh Tonmoy son of Hasina's cousin * Sheikh Salahuddin Jewel : Son of Mujib's younger brother. * Mujibur Rahman Chowdhury : Son of Hasina's cousins. So it is not important if they are directly from Mujib's bloodline or not, the sources still call the family as Mujib's family and that family includes relatives and even distant relatives of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman. Naming this family as Sheikh family or Sheikh–Wazed family or Sheikh–Kazi family is original research, and we should name it as Family of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman because we know the family because Sheikh Mujibur Rahman, father of the nation, came from the family. And the most important fact is reliable sources call the family by the family of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman. Mehedi Abedin 05:58, 18 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. ToadetteEdit! 14:40, 25 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 00:46, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mokai Tramway → Taupo Totara Timber Company Railway – (Discuss) – The proposed title makes this article easier to find. Many readers will have heard of the "TTT", the tourist town of Taupo, or Lake Taupo. Few people will be familiar with the sawmilling village of Mokai, which today has only a few houses and a marae. The name also distinguishes the main Putaruru to Mokai line from the bush tramways radiating from Mokai. Many of these tramways were accessible only to selected TTT Railway rolling stock. In contrast, all TTT locomotives including the Mallet and the four-wheeled locos were able to run through to Mokai, where the company had its main mechanical workshop. The proposed new title also distinguishes the TTT Railway from the Kinleith Branch, which covered only part of the route and was built on formation that was largely new. (The original TTT formation north of Tokoroa is still visible in some places). I have a large collection of source material on the railway and the company and I hope to add more info and true primary citations as time permits. I will also propose that a separate page be set up covering the TTT company itself Kbwc56 (talk) 00:09, 26 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 00:45, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Protestant Church in Germany → Evangelical Church in Germany – (Discuss) – Both terms (in English) are used by the EKD itself, but Evangelical is the more common, more accurate term. Etymologically, evangelical/evangelische refers to the gospel (εὐαγγέλιον), while Protestant refers to the Protestation at Speyer. It is not true that "Evangelical" is the former name (see EKD en homepage), and it is also untrue that the term "Evangelical" strictly or primarily refers to the Evangelical/Mainline divide among American denominations. The onus must be on those preferring "Protestant" to demonstrate such a shift in meaning, and I do not feel that prior discussion participants have succeeded. If we are worried that the reader would make this false association, it could easily be cleared up in the body of the article. Survey of use: Ngram, World Council of Churches, Britannica. The lead could read, for example: "the Evangelical Church in Germany, (also called the Protestant Church in Germany)" Dirkwillems (talk) 17:10, 25 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 00:13, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Words of estimative probability → Verbal probability – (Discuss) – Given that this has been here for a decade and a half now, I didn't want to move it unilaterally without giving people a chance to object beforehand, but verbal probability seems to be a much more concise way of defining the same topic, see for example a PLOS article.[1] I don't think "words of estimative probability" is used that much more often in literature, for all that Kent used it in their 1962 work, from what I can see, it's actually the other way around, even though we do have some that use it like van Tiel et al.[2] Of course, most literature does seem to tack on "word" or "phrase" or "expression" or something else like that, but they also seem to drop it easily enough when concision is desired, so I don't think it's necessary for our title here. I suppose probability phrase is another plausible alternate title if we want to stick to proper grammar, and it does seem to see some use in RS as well, but it seems overall less common, which is why I've opted for "verbal probability" instead. Should probably be a redirect though!

References

  1. ^ Wintle, Bonnie C.; Fraser, Hannah; Wills, Ben C.; Nicholson, Ann E.; Fidler, Fiona (2019-04-17). "Verbal probabilities: Very likely to be somewhat more confusing than numbers". PLOS ONE. 14 (4): e0213522. Bibcode:2019PLoSO..1413522W. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0213522. ISSN 1932-6203. PMC 6469752. PMID 30995242.
  2. ^ van Tiel, Bob; Sauerland, Uli; Franke, Michael; Nicholson, Ann E.; Fidler, Fiona (2022). "Meaning and Use in the Expression of Estimative Probability". Open Mind. 6 (4): 250–263. doi:10.1162/opmi_a_00066. ISSN 2470-2986. PMC 9987346. PMID 36891036.
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