Talk:LGBT history

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The entire paragraph under the heading "Late 19th century" does not appear to address the topic, it only contains a specific example without broader elaboration. A user better-versed in this topic than I may wish to elaborate on LGBT history in the late 19th century. Jpianop (talk) 22:23, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Proposal to include the LGBT history of the empire at the time in addition to the individual nations.

With regard to the Middle East, it might be interesting to also look at the mentions of LGBT in the history of the various dynasties, rather than just describing the situations within the current national borders (Abbasid, Umayyad, ...). A suggestion regarding Abbasid could be as follows:

Abbasid Caliphate

In the age of the Abbasid Caliphate, some references and anecdotes to same-sex love affairs and social views on gender and sexuality can be found in literary texts such as recorded poems.

In Jawāmiʿ al-ladhdha, a 10th century erotic compendium, individual proponents discuss their sexual preferences in contributed poems. Female poets, describe tribadism as a form of sexual gratification without the concomitant loss of reputation or risk of pregnancy. Other poets such as Abu'l-'Anbas Saymari, who is said to have written a book about lesbians and passive sodomites that has not survived to this day, described same-sex intercourse between two women as compatible due to the similarity of both love bodies and the equality of their relationship to other women.

The categorisation of different sex acts in Arabic-Islamic culture, however, was named according to the act rather than a particular orientation. A possible distinction according to El-Rouayheb is that of the active and passive part during the sexual intercourse. Thus, the act of two women haven intercourse was known as saḥḥāqāt, derived from saḥq for rubbing - in theory regardless of the gender identity of the partner.

An example of described homosexuality between men are the two poets Abū Nuwās and al-Buturī known for their affection for slave boys (ghulām) or socially inferior boys. In one story, al-Buturī's is selling Nasīm, a slave boy, to the son of a vizier, only to regret it later and buy him back at great financial sacrifice.

Abū Nuwās explicitly describes his affection for young male lovers in his poems, often referring to socially subordinate boys such as Christian tavern boys, student from mosques, or apprentices in the bureaucracy. Kiwilian (talk) 11:34, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

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