Talk:Freemasonry

Want be a member

' 2603:6010:C0F0:1520:901D:75BB:C04F:F46F (talk) 16:35, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

• Most Grand Lodge webpages have a section explaining how to join. Suggest you start there. Wikipedia isn’t the place to ask. Blueboar (talk) 16:43, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

  want to join 41.210.159.203 (talk) 11:04, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

  Sorry, wikipedia can’t help with that. Blueboar (talk) 11:43, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

  i want to join 105.160.59.207 (talk) 07:48, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

  Again, sorry, Wikipedia can’t help with that. Blueboar (talk) 12:51, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

How do i get books 47.161.69.253 (talk) 23:07, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Library… Amazon… suggest “Freemasons for Dummies” (seriously… it’s a great introduction, and has a good list of further books). Blueboar (talk) 23:12, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Mixed gender Masonry in North America

There are mix-gendered lodges spawned by the International Order of the Human Right (French "Droit Humain" mostly French speaking ones) in North America, as well as the genuine American Co-Masonry (English speaking). One can also find French speaking mix-gendered lodges in Canada, especially the under the custody of the Supreme Council of Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Québec. This canadian obedience has some links with the Grand Orient de France, but still uses the compulsory invocation to the Great Architect of the Universe and opens rituals with St-John's Gospel or the book of Kings from the Bible depending on the degrees. Women can freely be accepted into these Lodges in North America, as well as men and people of all races and colors. Hpm29 (talk) 23:14, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

I believe these are mentioned in the Droit Humain article, and might be included in the List of Masonic Grand Lodges. I don’t think this article should mention them. This article is designed to be a “broad brush” overview - a beginners guide, if you will… it’s a starting point for those searching for more info. It’s not really the right place to mention every small faction of the fraternity that exists in every country. We have other articles and sub-articles for that. Blueboar (talk) 13:30, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Well, no. There is no such thing as "mixed gendered lodges." There are all kinds of groups who practice Masonic rituals, but have zero provenance, association and amity with United Grand Lodge of England, which is the root of the tree, so to speak. All legitamate bodies of Freemasonry have amity (friendship and recognition) with the United Grand Lodge of England. This includes all jurisditions in the USA, Canada, Australia, western Europe, and others. Pedigee matters. There are a lot of so-called "masonic" organizations that have no pedigree from the real and original Masonic pedigree. Kornbelt888 (talk) 19:25, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Masonic Degrees

There really isn't an article that I can find where Masonic degrees as rituals are discussed. This is definitely a significant oversight in the encyclopedia nature of our coverage on this topic.

It seems there used to be an article but it got merged in here. Jjazz76 (talk) 00:40, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Are you thinking of Masonic ritual and symbolism? There are two major problems with crafting an article about the rituals … the first is finding reliable academic type sources to support it. The second is that there isn’t any standardization in Masonry - the rituals performed in one lodge or jurisdiction are often radically different from the rituals performed in another. This means that anything we can reliably verify has to be hedged as being specific to a particular lodge or Jurisdiction. Blueboar (talk) 12:17, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

It would seem to me the York Rite Craft Degrees, which are very common in the US, basically appear nowhere in any of the articles. There are plenty of sources about them. Jjazz76 (talk) 04:45, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

I am not sure what “York Rite Craft Degrees” are. In the US, the York Rite degrees are considered supplemental to the Craft Degrees. They are separate things. Blueboar (talk) 13:33, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Please change letter G redirect

the current link does not describe anything to do with Freemasonry. Please change the link from G to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Masonic_abbreviations#:~:text=with%20a%20G.-,G.,Grand%20Architect%20of%20the%20Universe. I would do so myself but my wiki-fu is admittedly not strong enough. 2603:800C:3D00:1ED2:F81D:98FA:D56:FB1A (talk) 05:38, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Article Unclear

The article is not very helpful in helping the readers understand what Freemasonry actually is. The three introductory paragraphs only focus on organizational structure and differences within Freemasonry, but leave aside the primary question of what the modern freemasonry is all about. There should at least be an attempt to answer this fundamental question in the introduction. ---bssasidhar- >Talk Page 08:15, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

• The fundamental question is answered in the very first sentence… Freemasonry is a fraternal organization. It is about fraternity (ie friendship and brotherhood). Everything else stems from (and reinforces) that basic concept. Blueboar (talk) 12:43, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

  "Freemasonry or Masonry refers to fraternal organisations and guilds of stonemasons that, from the end of the 14th century, regulated the qualifications of stonemasons and their interaction with authorities and clients."

  This sentence, being in past tense makes it confusing. -bssasidhar- >Talk Page 12:26, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

  Sentence has been changed… hopefully it is clearer now. Blueboar (talk) 21:04, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

  Yes. Thank you. -bssasidhar- >Talk Page 08:35, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Are all stonemasons a part of freemasonry?

It is clear to me that freemasonry, a kind of fraternal organization with some secret rituals, code of conducts, and belief system; originated historically from stonemasonry. However, what is not clear to me that whether these 2 group of peoples are overlapping (as in venn diagram) or mutually exclusive. I know there are freemasons who are not stonemassons. But are there any stonemasons who are NOT associated with freemasonry by any means? or all stonemasons are mandated to go through freemasonry??

Please make this clear in the article.

2409:40E1:100D:518E:8000:0:0:0 (talk) 20:45, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the comment. Historically, all stonemasons were Freemasons (the two terms meant the same thing). Today they are separate. So… yes, today there are stonemasons who are not Freemasons. Blueboar (talk) 21:11, 22 April 2024 (UTC)