Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Kansas

New article

Just set up a stub at Keats, Kansas (near Manhattan). If anyone has a photo or more info, please add it. Paulmcdonald 09:21, August 22, 2014‎

Good article reassessment for Dean Smith

Dean Smith has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Hog Farm _Talk 02:17, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Kansas dead line

Very late in the AfD for Hogback Kansas (20th century Section 18/Disney Hogback Siding), I remembered something I ran accross with respect to the (19th century Section 21/pre-Yost) Hog Back "Station". The article mentioned that even after the Kansas dead line was moved west of Trego, Texas cattle were still being driven to the Section 21 Hog Back.

Back then, I could not find coverage on the Kansas dead line on the wiki. I still can't.

The Kansas dead line refers to a boundary established by the Kansas Legislature to exclude Texas cattle from settled farms and ranchland in Eastern Kansas. The Texas cattle carried disease to domestic herds in Kansas, the cattle drives damaged cultivated crops and consumed grass that Kansas domestic ranchers claimed, and surges of cow pokes disrupted the peace of new Kansas towns.

The original dead line, called the Kansas Pacific dead line, excluded Texas cattle not only from the eastern Kansas cities, but from the northern counties along the Kansas/Nebraska border. The intention was that the cattle be loaded on the Kansas Pacific Railway and shipped west through Denver to Cheyenne, Wyoming. As the Legislature moved the deadline west over following years, closing off Ablilene, Salina, and Ellsworth, in turn, the Ellis Trail developed with destinations from Hays City to Grainfield.

I can understand the reason drovers violated the dead line after it was moved west of Trego. As I. M. Yost later recognised, "Hogback Station" was the last open water on the KPRR until Denver.

I am not suggesting a separate page for the Kansas dead line, necessarily, but at least it should be mentioned in Chisholm Trail with the Ellis Trail. However, I can see that this is an element of Kansas settlement history. Admittedly, the Kansas dead line was not an influence on the settlement, but an effect of the settlement.

So, I offer the suggestion for the project's concideration that the Kansas dead line be added to Chisolm Trail with focus on the westward shifting of the destinations. And the Kansas deadline can be added to the pages on the sequential cowtowns. For my part, I could consider the Kansas dead line in my study of Ellis County.

IveGoneAway (talk) 14:54, 13 February 2024 (UTC) 13:02, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Two clarifications to reduce confusion:

• The "Ellis Trail" is more widely known as the Great Western Cattle Trail, although the extension to Ellis, Kansas from Dodge City would be more properly the "Ellis Trail", a route that grew in importance as the Kansas dead line blocked train shipments into eastern Kansas from Dodge. The Great Western Cattle Trail article does mention the Kansas Legislation (not by name), but the impact of the dead line on the Chisolm Trail was earlier and more severe.
• The route that Exodusters took from Ellis to Nicodemus was also called the "Ellis Trail".

IveGoneAway (talk) 02:08, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Links to work with at some time:

• Kansas Pacific Dead Line, 1873 map. Were Texas cattle forbidded even to be shipped to the East?
• Kansas dead line, 1878, This is even west of the Ellis Trail.

IveGoneAway (talk) 18:50, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Lake Shawnee Draft

Hello, I was wondering if you guys could contribute in any way to the Lake Shawnee draft I started. If you could get a picture or anything that would help greatly. Thanks! RoyalSilver (talk) 20:25, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:December 2021 Midwest derecho and tornado outbreak#Requested move 23 May 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:December 2021 Midwest derecho and tornado outbreak#Requested move 23 May 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 11:46, 10 June 2024 (UTC)