Talk:Kartikeya

Semi-protected edit request on 16 May 2024

What I am saying Liu1126, is that I want to change the article Kartikeya from its current version to this old version here: [[1]]. That is my edit request now. 2409:40F3:D:CA92:8000:0:0:0 (talk) 04:03, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

That is version 1215149709 of Kartikeya. 2409:40F3:D:CA92:8000:0:0:0 (talk) 04:14, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Since the changes you're proposing seem to relate to images and spelling, you might do better off to suggest them specifically, so it's easier to discuss them. —C.Fred (talk) 04:21, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Okay, I want to revert back this article to that previous version, that's all I want to do now. 2409:40F3:D:CA92:8000:0:0:0 (talk) 04:35, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

I want to revert it back to this particular version 1215149709 of Kartikeya. 2409:40F3:D:CA92:8000:0:0:0 (talk) 04:36, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Again, as C.Fred said, explicitly suggest the changes you want made. A lot of edits have happened since the version you're talking about, including some that are administrative actions and standard cleanup which obviously shouldn't be reverted.

Additionally, your behaviour of referring back to this removed edit request and pinging me who responded to that request makes it look like that you are the same person as the IP who originally posted that request, who in turn was blocked for block evasion. If you are the same person, I recommend you stop IP hopping and make a sincere unblock request from your original account. Liu1126 (talk) 09:26, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Those changes are to change Kartikeya's photo in the introduction template to the painting by Raja Ravi Varma and add that his abode is Mount Kailasha, his planet is Mars, his consort is Devasena, his sibling is Ashokasundari, his symbol is cock, his festivals are Vaikasi Vishaka, Surasamharam, Kartika Purnima, with spaces all between them, removing the words supposedly and credited with where it is mentioned he gets his Vel from his mother Parvati and he kills Asuras and Asuris like Tarakasura and injures and saved Surapadma and all these changes are to be added to this article now. 2409:4072:193:D5BF:C273:C6F8:A714:FDE5 (talk) 07:40, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

I made my Unblock Request from that account but others wrongly declined it, saying that i am corrupting Wikipedia but i am improving and correcting Wikipedia in good faith only, so i want to be unblocked, so someone please unblock me now. 2409:4072:193:D5BF:C273:C6F8:A714:FDE5 (talk) 07:41, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Those changes are to change Kartikeya's photo in the introduction template to the painting by Raja Ravi Varma and add that his abode is Mount Kailasha, his planet is Mars, his consort is Devasena, his sibling is Ashokasundari, his symbol is cock, his festivals are Vaikasi Vishaka, Surasamharam, Kartika Purnima, with spaces all between them, removing the words supposedly and credited with where it is mentioned he gets his Vel from his mother Parvati and he kills Asuras and Asuris like Tarakasura and injures and saved Surapadma and all these changes are to be added to this article now. 2409:4072:193:D5BF:C273:C6F8:A714:FDE5 (talk) 07:39, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Kartikeya and Devasena's martial status

The Mahabharata mentions explicitly in the Vana Parva that Kartikeya married Devasena and they gave birth to many children, so he is not a bachelor and a misogynist at all, so please change that now itself. 2409:4072:193:D5BF:C273:C6F8:A714:FDE5 (talk) 08:20, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Kartikeya/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Magentic Manifestations (talk · contribs) 07:00, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Zanahary (talk · contribs) 03:09, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm excited to be reviewing this! I'll be getting to it in the next week or two.

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Thanks for taking it up. Let me know the comments! Magentic Manifestations (talk) 03:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Comments

Hi @Magentic Manifestations, I have some copyediting annotations up to and including the "Vedic text and epics" subsection of the "Literature" section:
1. Kartikeya means "of the Krittikas"... In what language?
Addressed with appropriate source
2. aided by Vayu and Agni Aided how?
Refer #3
3. The first paragraph of the etymology and nomenclature section seems to have more detail than is necessary—for instance, does it matter that the sparks' development into boys was aided by Vayu and Agni? This is only meant to explain the etymology; the actual birth narrative is explained in detail later.
As it is explained in detail in the next section, tweaked to simplify the sentence
4. the asuras Śūrāpadma, Tārakāsura, and Simhamukha performed austerities to propitiate Shiva What are austerities?
Simplified the same
5. What are the various boons given by Shiva to the asuras in the Skanda Purana? How do they give the asuras powers? "boons" feels like a strange word choice.
Explained the boons and expanded the story line
6. Are the five additional heads manifested by Shiva on his body? If so, it should be said.
Added
7. ...and started a reign of tyranny in their respective realms. Was it a single reign of tyranny? Or three separate reigns? The singular article "a" is confusing.
Modified the sentence
8. Initially, the wind god Vayu carried the sparks, with the fire god Agni taking over later because of their unbearable heat. Agni deposited the sparks in the Ganga river. Who carried the sparks to the river? I don't see where Agni comes in. Additionally, there should be consistency with the use of "Ganges (river)" and "Ganga (river)", especially since there is reference to "the Ganga" and "Ganga" as separate entities (a river and a deity, respectively).
Made changes, Ganges for the river and Ganga for the goddess. In the initial part, it is fairly clear that Vayu handed over the sparks to Agni due to the unbearable heat and Agni deposited them in the river. Anyways tweaked it to make it clearer
9. How can we state in wikivoice that Kartikeya is the son of Parvati and Shiva when a narrative names Agni and Svaha as his parents? The answer to this will also answer whether the Vana Parva narrative should be introduced with something like "An alternate account of Kartikeya's parentage is narrated in the Vana Parva: ..."
Added and modified
10. ...while none of them reciprocate his feelings... What feelings? Agni's feelings apparent for the wives should be explained.
Added
11. I've gone ahead and replaced instances of euphemisms surrounding sex, such as references to making love and sleeping with, per WP:EUPHEMISM. Let me know if you think that's alright, or if maybe euphemism is appropriate for recountings of these mythic narratives.
It is fine
12. He is considered as the younger brother of Ganesha, while some texts regard that he is the elder. I think these texts ought to be named—which say he's younger? Which say he's older?
I find that the older texts all mention him as younger. There is a premonition that he is elder in the northern part of India, but it does not seem to have credible literary backing. So modifying it as such with the names of the texts.
13. The verses describe a brightly-colored boy hurling weapons and other motifs that have been associated with Skanda. This is super interesting—the other motifs ought to be specified. Also, they should be explained. Like, why is a colorful weapon-hurling boy associated with Skanda? I've restructured the sentence to be arranged in a more comprehensible way, but please include the other motifs if possible: The verses evoke motifs associated with Skanda, including that of a brightly-colored boy hurling weapons.
added the motifs
14. In general, there seems to be an unpredictable inconsistency with the use of the names Kartikeya and Skanda in this article. Is there a reason for this? Would it be inappropriate to just pick one for general use (so, use "Skanda" if you're describing a text's contents that use that name, but in general use Kartikeya when referring in general to the figure—so for the sentence quoted in point 13 above, change "Skanda" to "Kartikeya"?
I have consistently used the word Kartikeya rather than other names to refer in general. Skanda is a name as mentioned in the literary texts and that is why it has been used here in the same context. Have changed the wording in the next sentence.
15. I notice you italicize Kumara in In these, the mythology is very different for Kumara, as Agni is described to be the Kumara whose mother is Ushas (goddess Dawn) and whose father is Purusha. Why is this?
removed the italics and rephrased it for better understanding
16. Chapter 7 of the Chandogya Upanishad (~800–600 BCE)... I like that you include the approximate era of the text here. Can you do this for all the texts named? It doesn't have to be paranthetical; it could be done like "The fifth-century CE Example text" or something prosaic like that.
I have added years wherein some sort of estimation is available. But for Vedas and some of the Puranas where the estimate is not available and is usually based on continuous revision, have not cited these.
That's all for now :) I have to say, I love the Vana Parva narrative a lot. Especially the six consecutive seductions and the development of semen into a six-headed boy among reeds. I'm so glad I get to review this! Zanahary (talk) 06:23, 3 June 2024 (UTC) @Zanahary, Thanks for the comments. Have addressed the comments for now. Have fairly expanded the article a bit as well to explain the life as well. Please do ping me in case of additional comments. Thanks!