Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia Signpost

linterrors in signpostdelivery

Sent via script (w:en:User:Evad37/SPS) -- Nachricht versandt von Benutzer:JPxG@metawiki durch Verwendung der Liste unter https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Signpost&oldid=23972104

This messages do produce linterrors not the first time. Please do not deliver messages with such errors to other projects, like de:wikipedia. I do not watn to fix 38 pages with errors every month, pleas stop this and check the syntaxvalidity before delivering. I have fixed some hundreds of such errors. Lómelinde (talk) 05:44, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

@Lómelinde: If you could suggest a change to be made here, it would be helpful. Vielen dank ☆ Bri (talk) 16:13, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

I can show it to you, look into my edits in the morning here from 06:12, 31. Okt. 2022 to 06:33, 31. Okt. 2022 erase the div. There is one </div> too much in the post. It is not the first time. Look at these edits so please check if there are pairs of opening and closing tags. --Lómelinde (talk) 16:26, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Okay, I think I see the duplicated XML close div in User:Bri/Signpost publication (manual step 11). JPxG how are we doing the mass message now? Are you cutting and pasting something similar? Maybe it's in the output from the publishing script? ☆ Bri (talk) 18:07, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

@Evad37: Do we have a duplicate close div around line 877 in User:Evad37/SPS.js? ☆ Bri (talk) 18:11, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

@Bri: Evad is inactive so I have a forked version of SPS.js in my userspace. I can take a look at it later -- I have been meaning to review and document it anyway. jp×g 18:29, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Grmpf: de:Spezial:LintErrors/stripped-tag please fix this errors --Lómelinde (talk) 17:44, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

What about fixing →this pages? I do not want to do this all month long. --Lómelinde (talk) 05:31, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

I am looking at this now, and have picked a random page from the list of lint errors (this one): trying to bearbeiten the quelltext (?) and wondering if there are any clues in the Versionsgeschichte. Looks like there is a Versionsunterschied showing the problem -- there is indeed a duplicated div, but I don't know exactly where this is coming from. @Lómelinde: Is this happening exclusively on de.wikipedia, or is it on every wiki with global Signpost delivery? jp×g 02:47, 4 December 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, your ping does not reach me. I do not check other wikiprojects, I am only working on de:wiki I do fix it now again, but it would be better not to deliver such errors. We try to fix all errors and the result looks well dewiki vs enwiki, but every new error hinders these efforts. That is frustrating. --Lómelinde (talk) 05:37, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

There are two users who are not activ since years (2014 and 2017), may your erase them from deliverylist please. --Lómelinde (talk) 08:08, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

I do think the problem is as follows delivery on en:wiki looks like this I have put in some linebrakes for highlighting it the last closing div is part of <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">:

<div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">
<div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2;"> {{Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2022-11-28}} </div><!--Volume 18, Issue 11--> 
<div class="hlist" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">* '''[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|Read this Signpost in full]]''' * [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Single/2022-11-28|Single-page]] * [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Subscribe|Unsubscribe]] * [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|talk]]) 15:41, 28 November 2022 (UTC) <!-- Sent via script ([[User:Evad37/SPS]]) --></div>
</div>

delivery on de:wiki, there is no separate opening <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> but at the end the closing part of it :

<div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr" style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">[[File:WikipediaSignpostIcon.svg|40px|right]] ''News, reports and features from the English Wikipedia's newspaper''</div>
<div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2;">
* News and notes: [[w:en:Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2022-11-28/News and notes|English Wikipedia editors: "We don't need no stinking banners"]]
...
* CommonsComix: [[w:en:Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2022-11-28/CommonsComix|Joker's trick]]

</div>
<div style="margin-top:10px; font-size:90%; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">'''[[w:en:Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost|Read this Signpost in full]]''' · [[w:en:Wikipedia:Signpost/Single|Single-page]] · [[m:Global message delivery/Targets/Signpost|Unsubscribe]] · [[m:Global message delivery|Global message delivery]] 16:44, 28. Nov. 2022 (CET)
<!-- Sent via script ([[w:en:User:Evad37/SPS]]) --></div>
</div>

I do not now what you are delivering to other projects. --Lómelinde (talk) 08:51, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

• I made an edit to the script that removed the duplicate div tag, which I think will stop this from occurring. I see no reason why it wouldn't -- but we will have to wait until this month comes out to know for sure. I will be keeping an eye on it. Thank you for letting us know! jp×g 10:20, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

I do think it is fixed now. Thank you and happy new year 2023. --Lómelinde (talk) 07:17, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Does not deliver - unsubscribed

I had to unsubscribe [1], as the delivery unexplicably failed since I used a subpage like User:DePiep/news (since ca August 2022). DePiep (talk) 10:18, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

undo: appears delivery is a bot message and so unnoticed in my watchlist. -DePiep (talk) 10:20, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Mobile display

May I suggest inserting a paragraph break between the lead image and the first sentence in a section? otherwise, the first few words are squeezed vertically, as in the screenshot below: https://ibb.co/Wpgwbvz thanks, fgnievinski (talk) 16:34, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

This problem may be occurring because an editor chose to use |size=300px instead of following the age-old guidance at MOS:IMGSIZE. Also, Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Templates/Filler image-v2 has fixed pixel sizes, which may be related. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:31, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

@Fgnievinski Thanks, and sorry. I have taken the 300px out and inserted a paragraph break but, checking on a mobile at my end, it doesn't seem to have fixed the issue (probably because the template has 300px specified, as Jonesey95 says). @Bri, HaeB, and JPxG:, any ideas on how best to fix this? Andreas JN466 19:03, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Topic subscriptions

I've made a couple of changes to some templates to allow users of Discussion Tools to subscribe to notifications about new comments on Signpost articles, mostly by adding some headings: [2] [3] [4]. Anyone not using it shouldn't notice any changes. I hope this is okay! Matma Rex talk 22:26, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia admins jailed in Saudi Arabia

[5] Noting this. 2601:648:8200:990:0:0:0:B9C2 (talk) 22:52, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the tip. I've started an item at the next issue's In the media for followup. ☆ Bri (talk) 23:25, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Here is another article: [6]. I realize now, this is the wrong place to post the links, but we're already here, so ok. 2601:648:8200:990:0:0:0:B9C2 (talk) 23:07, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Readability on mobile

Hi. Has anyone checked the view of Signpost on mobile (via the Wikipedia app)? For example, I only see the comments section on Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2023-01-01/In the media, while the original Signpost text is not visible. ---TadejM ^{my talk} 06:07, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Module improvements

Moved from Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia Signpost/Newsroom:

Per Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia Signpost/Technical, the last few days I have been working on a set of scripts that automate (and augment) the indices at Module:Signpost. This involved adding a few hundred articles to indices from past years, eliminating a few hundred unnecessary redirects from our article space, and tonight, the task of integrating about 150 separate archive categories into module-based tags (including some 4,201 edits to clear the cats off Signpost articles). Christ almighty. There is still a lot more stuff that needs to be done, but here is what we have so far:

• Since all articles are tagged by department and subject (not quite all of them, but a few thousand more than previously) this means that it will be possible to use the module for automatic series sidebars, as was intended with the (evidently long since abandoned) 2015 attempt to get {{Signpost series}} into common use

This means that we will not have to find someone to dick around with stuff like Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Series/RfA reform every time we publish another article in the series, as happened last January: we can just use something to automatically show the most recent 6 or 7, and not have it look like shit because nothing is tagged. This can, and probably should, be done for most of our articles.

• Comment sections (which I've been putting up for the last few issues) will no longer depend on someone deciding to manually tag each article to work properly; it's a task that User:WegweiserBot can do immediately after publication. I think that with this change, it'll be acceptable to make them more public-facing (which will make it easier for readers to participate).
• Pageview counts can be obtained automatically, for as many articles as we want (going back to 2015).

We can also get straightforward numbers for these, they no longer need to consist of multiple screenfuls of shitty glitched-out graphs from {{Graph:PageViews}}.

• This isn't anywhere near ready for prime time, but it might be possible to use the module to generate issue pages, so that, for example, we can have header images without spending four solid hours copy-pasting image links into Wikipedia:Signpost.
• Overall, I want to continue to do streamlining things like this: having 150 obsolete categories with 4,000 pages in them that duplicate other functionality and haven't been updated in 8 years is not just unsightly, it's an impassable swamp for anyone who wants to read or contribute... the less of a pain in the ass it is to interact with the Signpost, the more it will flourish... I think...

Anyway, while doing this I've been ignoring the submissions and suggestions pages, so I'm going to go look at those now.

jp×g 08:12, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

End of moved part

Do enwiki rules apply to articles?

Because according to that, yes. Dušan Kreheľ (talk) 18:40, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

Historical analysis, again

Per Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/Archive_14#Historical_analysis_(some_more), with a somewhat updated Quarry SQL.

Year	Articles	Total size	Avg size
2005	415	1726350	4159.8
2006	433	2348397	5423.5
2007	435	2071407	4761.8
2008	400	1886545	4716.3
2009	408	2601668	6376.6
2010	359	2973372	8282.3
2011	360	3763624	10454.5
2012	348	3855146	11078.0
2013	321	3501398	10907.7
2014	281	3267995	11629.8
2015	374	4632665	12386.8
2016	228	2636519	11563.6
2017	117	1770827	15135.2
2018	173	2152207	12440.5
2019	154	1976029	12831.3
2020	164	2508435	15295.3
2021	119	1698965	14277.0
2022	193	2540542	13163.4
2023	12	161824	13485.3

jp×g 06:43, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

And a table of the top 25 most viewed articles (7 days after publication):

Date	Column	Title	7-day
2022-10-31	News and notes	Wikipedians question Wikimedia fundraising ethics after "somewhat-viral" tweet	67400
2021-10-31	Opinion	A photo on Wikipedia can ruin your life	46440
2017-06-09	Op-ed	Wikipedia's lead sentence problem	12928
2020-01-27	In focus	Cryptos and bitcoins and blockchains, oh no!	11285
2017-07-15	Recent research	The chilling effect of surveillance on Wikipedia readers	10612
2020-11-29	Opinion	How billionaires rewrite Wikipedia	10521
2023-01-01	News and notes	Wikimedia Foundation ousts, bans quarter of Arabic Wikipedia admins	9679
2016-02-17	Op-ed	Shit I cannot believe we had to fucking write this month	9258
2023-01-01	Technology report	Wikimedia Foundation's Abstract Wikipedia project "at substantial risk of failure"	8400
2019-02-28	Humour	Streisand effect	8086
2022-08-01	Op-Ed	The "recession" affair	7773
2022-09-30	Serendipity	Removing watermarks, copyright signs and cigarettes from photos	7445
2016-12-22	Special report	German Wikipedia ArbCom implodes amid revelation of member's far-right political role	6970
2015-06-17	In focus	Three weeks to save freedom of panorama in Europe	6290
2016-02-24	Special report	[UPDATED] WMF in limbo as decision on Tretikov nears	5140
2015-12-30	News and notes	WMF Board dismisses community-elected trustee	5098
2016-01-06	News and notes	The WMF's age of discontent	4781
2016-02-10	Special report	New internal documents raise questions about the origins of the Knowledge Engine	4718
2019-06-30	Discussion report	A constitutional crisis hits English Wikipedia	4546
2022-05-29	Serendipity	Those thieving image farms	4418
2022-06-26	Special report	"Wikipedia's independence" or "Wikimedia's pile of dosh"?	4339
2016-02-17	Special report	Search and destroy: the Knowledge Engine and the undoing of Lila Tretikov	3824
2015-10-21	Editorial	Women and Wikipedia: the world is watching	3722
2020-01-27	From the editor	Reaching six million articles is great, but we need a moratorium	3704
2015-12-02	Op-ed	Whither Wikidata?	3647

Chats (get in here) (yes, this means you)

Looking through some old archives in the course of my spelunking to clean up our namespace and fill out WP:POST/T, I have been finding all sorts of interesting things: abandoned templates, abandoned drafts, abandoned projects, and abandoned layouts. I even found Pete Forsyth's 2016 attempt to gather together a technical manual to running the Signpost where he got about as far as I did and then stopped. But one of the most interesting things I found is what looks like the fossil remains of ancient Signposters' communication protocols: they used Slack all the darn time.

It has definitely occurred to me a few times that having some method of instant communication would be vastly beneficial for writing and editing -- for example, the hours before publication tend to be a gigantic mess because of the asynchronous nature of Wikipedia talk page. And even prior to the publication rush itself, it's often difficult to have quick communication (to say nothing of the dynamic between the various Signpost talk pages, email addresses, user talk pages and...)

Anyway, Slack is kind of a pain in the ass -- it was really hot stuff half a decade ago, but nowadays, I don't know many people who use it except begrudgingly and for work. However, there are somewhat superior options nowadays: Discord seems to be the prevailing one, and especially the prevailing one here (we already have a gigantic one for Wikimedia projects, and there are others for UV, SWViewer, WLDC, WMUSC, WMNYC, WMSA, WPTC, and NPP).

In fact, EpicPupper and I had planned to set up a Discord guild for the Signpost a few months ago, but never really got around to it. It is one of those things which I have left lying around for a little too long, but I am trying to work through the backlog right now, so I think it is probably time that I put up the invite and start getting people on. The invite link is https://discord.gg/zW9JVvVwFR or at the button below (I've set it up not to expire, but if a bunch of assholes show up and start posting hello.jpg, we can turn it off).

For anyone over the age of 25: there is a good deal of information at WP:DISCORD on how to install the goofy zoomer app (it is like IRC, except much better in a user interface sense, and much shittier in an ideological sense). I'm aware that this is some goofy zoomer app, but it is better than nothing, and besides, we should get used to zoomer stuff if we are going to publish every Fortnite ;^)

Invite link

jp×g 09:35, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

The thing about archaeology is that the people who made the fossils are usually long-dead. ;-) Instant messaging for the Signpost goes back a lot farther than that! From 2012–2014ish, coordinating each week's news and notes section involved Skype for instant messaging + Google Docs for writing. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 19:36, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

I did mention our old Skype group to JPxG on Discord. ;) Andreas JN466 20:14, 14 January 2023 (UTC)