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AssessmentEdit

I'm currently unsure as to how to manually start the bot which produces the assessment tables. No great rush, but it would good to have an assessment table as soon as possible. Claritas § 21:52, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

  • Hello. It's been a long time since I've set up a WikiProject for the bot, but I reviewed the instructions and got it working. The missing bits that you had not done were a) placed Category:Theology articles by quality into Category:Wikipedia 1.0 assessments; b) transcluded the page User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Theology into Wikipedia:WikiProject Theology (this instruction is pretty much missing from the documentation); c) run the bot to get things updated right away (which is also not clearly described). That last bit involved going to http://toolserver.org/~enwp10 and running through the "List Manual Selection" section; a first manual selection was needed in order to get the WikiProject listed among those things which the bot needs to look at every 3 days, although one could have waited for 3 days to see if the bot would see the WikiProject ... I was impatient to see success :-) . In the end, you now have this WikiProject set up for automated data collection via the bot and presentation of this data through a table on your WikiProject page. Regards --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 09:31, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
  • P.S. What brought me here was looking at uncategorized categories, specifically Category:Bottom-importance Theology articles. If I am not mistaken, this category can now be deleted. As you are not an administrator (according to Wikipedia:List of administrators/A-F#C ), you could tag the category with {{db-self}} to put it in queue for speedy deletion. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 09:37, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Lets not use an image of God, ok?Edit

I recommend removing the picture of God in this project. In Christianity, Islam, & Judaism, making any type of image of God is unacceptable. The source for this is Exodus 20:4-6. Just looking to make you more credible here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Korny09 (talkcontribs) 16:32, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Since that picture has survived over 500 years without being suppressed as blasphemous, I see no reason to remove it from the project page. —C.Fred (talk) 16:36, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
I don't know about Islam and Judaism, but in Catholicism and most of Christianity, we encourage the use of images of God (the anti-picture movement is a heresy we call Iconoclasm). CanonLawJunkie (talk) 16:06, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Matt 1:13-16 the killing of all Bethlehem’s firstborn by Herod to terminate a competitive prince was not stopped by God – however in Acts 12:21-23 Herod is struck down and eaten by worms because he didn’t give glory to God. I think if a God was upset at using his image he could stick up for himself. 178.109.174.194 (talk) 09:38, 8 May 2011 (UTC)gossamer 8 May 2011

Ten years later, I agree with Korny09 that the representation of God here as Zeus/Jupiter or whoever, makes this project not-credible. I also that observe that in the years since his proposal was rejected, the project has been mostly inactive. Apparently God did stick up for himself? Any image inherently materializes, localizes, specifies, and racializes a being whom even Plato and Aristotle understood as pure spirit, and immaterial, as did Paul and the apostles and of course all the Jewish prophets before them, whom this project apparently wants to ignore, supersede, and remove from discussion. It is not an accurate representation, and even catholic theology considers the image merely an "aid", not a representation. By the way, I've heard that these days Jesus is black, or korean. Is that true?? The notion that "iconoclasm" is a heresy, is a merely a graeco-roman POV. I'm going to remove the image, and replace it with NOTHING, until there is a consensus based on verifiable scholarship as to what God actually, really looks like. Does anyone know? Has this been proven anywhere, and reliably documented?? Jaredscribe (talk) 19:04, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

RfC on LogosEdit

An editor has proposed a complete rewrite of Logos, an article of interest to this project. Please see Talk:Logos#Proposed Re-Write. -- Radagast3 (talk) 13:22, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Catholic–Eastern Orthodox theological differencesEdit

Assistance is urgently needed at Catholic–Eastern Orthodox theological differences. There are only two editors working there at the moment — one Orthodox and one Catholic, as best I can tell — and they are unable to reach a consensus on various issues. The area of greatest concern at the moment has to do with the Eastern Orthodox view of the nature of the physical, material body. The Orthodox editor is citing sources which (in his opinion) promote a view that the material body did not exist until after the fall of man and will not exist after the resurrection. The Catholic editor is questioning this interpretation, but the Orthodox editor is standing firm and calling the objections edit-warring. (See Talk:Catholic–Eastern Orthodox theological differences#Lossky on Adam and Eve having no flesh before the Fall.) Without input from more editors — especially some who are knowledgeable Orthodox, or at least Orthodoxy-knowledgeable — I really don't see any prospect for a consensus that can be relied upon as fairly and properly representing either settled Orthodox dogma or the spectrum of recognized Orthodox theologians. Pleas have been posted on the talk pages of some other relevant projects, and I've also gone to an outside wiki (orthodoxwiki.org) to request help, but without success so far. Richwales (talk · contribs) 20:52, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

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Help is need at the bad faith article's theology section.Edit

Help is need at the bad faith article's theology section. This is especially the case as to the gradual convergence shown in the etymologies and translation and commentaries regarding Double hearted, double minded, and male fide. PPdd (talk) 16:31, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Citation templates now support more identifiersEdit

Recent changes were made to citations templates (such as {{citation}}, {{cite journal}}, {{cite web}}...). In addition to what was previously supported (bibcode, doi, jstor, isbn, ...), templates now support arXiv, ASIN, JFM, LCCN, MR, OL, OSTI, RFC, SSRN and Zbl. Before, you needed to place |id={{arxiv|0123.4567}} (or worse |url=http://arxiv.org/abs/0123.4567), now you can simply use |arxiv=0123.4567, likewise for |id={{JSTOR|0123456789}} and |url=http://www.jstor.org/stable/0123456789|jstor=0123456789.

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Obviously not all citations needs all parameters, but this streamlines the most popular ones and gives both better metadata and better appearances when printed. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 03:25, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Lay theologianEdit

Wikipedia currently has no article titled lay theologian, although currently 15 articles link to that non-existent article.

(To one accustomed, as I am, the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics, it borders on incomprehensible to me that nothing has been posted to this present talk page since March. I'm used to the idea a posting appears on a WikiProject's talk page every half-hour or so. Is anyone alive here??) Michael Hardy (talk) 04:22, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

May I add: What exactly is a lay theologian? Does the term mean:
  • A theologian who is a lay person in the sense of never having been ordained to the clergy (I think that's the older meaning of the term "lay person"); or
  • A person who writes on theology without having professional qualifications in that field (the more modern meaning of the term lay person, I think)?
Michael Hardy (talk) 04:04, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Category clashEdit

Hi there - I just noticed that there is a category clash between WikiProject Theology and WikiProject Theoretical Linguistics. The category in question is Category:WPTL articles which currently lists articles from both WikiProjects. I'm going to create two separate categories and send the current one to CfD, so feel free to revert/comment at the CfD if you object. Thanks — Mr. Stradivarius 14:44, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

The CfD discussion is here. — Mr. Stradivarius 15:24, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Brahman#Brahman in Early BuddhismEdit

Would anyone like to take a look at Talk:Brahman#Brahman in Early Buddhism? I've made a suggestion there for rewriting a section of the Brahman article. My rewrite wouldn't produce anything like a complete overview (it was cobbled together from what few sources I could find on short notice), but I think it's far superior to the current section, which seems to consist almost completely of original research. --Phatius McBluff (talk) 19:58, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Pope John Paul II article improvementEdit

The Pope John Paul II article is on peer review. If anyone is interested in improving the article, please do.-- Marek.69 talk 21:56, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

what group would hold intrest in this topic?Edit

pagan origins of jesus. I noticed that there is no existing page on this topic and i am looking for the group that would be most interested in the upkeep of such a page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.142.168.139 (talk) 18:51, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

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Expert attentionEdit

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Request for input: "Historic Baptist" teaching on Spirit baptismEdit

Could editors knowledgeable about historical Baptist teachings on the baptism with the Holy Spirit please contribute to the relevant section of that article. An editor recently created this section but its sources seem to be drawn primarily from Landmark Baptist points of view. It would be great if we could have information from good, reliable sources representing the full range of non-charismatic Baptist churches for this section. Ltwin (talk) 19:44, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

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Article on secular theologyEdit

I have just had a look at the article on secular theology and see that whereas it has been rated start-class by your wikiproject, it has not received a rating on the quality scale.Vorbee (talk) 17:06, 20 July 2017 (UTC) ~Sorry - I should have said importance scale.Vorbee (talk) 17:08, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Right now happens a discussion for renaming Category:Deities, spirits, and mythic beings into Category:Deities and spiritsEdit

[here]. CN1 (talk) 13:26, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

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History of Christian thought on persecution and toleranceEdit

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Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 January 22#Moral Government TheologyEdit

This is in serious need of some expert theological attention. I'm having a hard time seeing the term as anything beyond one fellow's conflict with one other group which may or may not have expressed ideas that the wider theological community objects to. I'm finding very little footprint for it other than a bunch of apologetics sites which I suspect of copying from WP. I just don't have the time right now to dig into a theological conflict that is outside my own tradition, but from what I can see the discussion hinges on points requiring expert understanding. Mangoe (talk) 00:41, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

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Theology SidebarEdit

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Baháʼí Faith Featured article reviewEdit

User:Nutez has nominated Baháʼí Faith for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:25, 16 July 2022 (UTC)