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"List of Beatles members" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect List of Beatles members to the article List of members of bands featuring members of the Beatles has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 17 § List of Beatles members until a consensus is reached. Many other similar redirects to the same target, including The Beatles' line-ups, are also being discussed in the same place. Thryduulf (talk) 18:16, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

B-checklist in project template

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How reliable is Philip Norman?

I know Shout! has a very anti-Paul bias, but I have no idea about his recent individual biographies of John, Paul, and George. blueskiesdry… (cloudy contribs…) 16:01, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

In her book on Beatles historiography, Erin Torkelson Weber identifies Shout! as "a flawed work of history for three reasons: inadequate historical distance, lack of documentation, and deliberate authorial bias". She adds that, "These weaknesses continued to erode its overall value and credibility as more research was done, sources became available, and impartial analysis was applied" (p. 117).

Norman's biography of McCartney came out in 2016, too late to have been discussed in Weber's book, but she writes a blog to keep up those which have since come out. In her review, she describes Norman's bio as "the best of the small but sub-par selection of biographies available on the still-living McCartney". That was seven years ago, so things may have changed in the pecking order — such as the publication of volume one of The McCartney Legacy by Adrian Sinclair and Allan Kozinn — but Norman's biography of McCartney would obviously still prove a valuable secondary source.

Norman's historical distance is improved, though not ideal — most historians recommend that at least fifty years has passed since the subject is deceased, whereas McCartney is still active. Norman's bias has seemingly evaporated, which is the biggest improvement. Where Norman remains weak is his lack of citations and bibliography. Weber writes: "This decision perpetuates one of the greatest weaknesses involving the entirety of Norman’s Beatles work; failure to distinguish between evidence and authorial interpretation. Sweeping generalizations are made and readers are informed multiple times what specific historic figures were thinking/feeling at any given moment, but whether these accounts are supported by evidence or wholly the result of personal, authorial speculation is not clear." Tkbrett (✉) 16:51, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

The recent George bio does have some refs in the back, however it mostly seems to be from his previous work from what I remember. blueskiesdry… (cloudy contribs…) 16:55, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

The best George bio – like the best Paul bio – is likely still to come. Beatles scholarship is in many ways still in its infancy. Tkbrett (✉) 20:03, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Evidently the ones used in all the George solo GAs were good enough, though.

George and Ringo are really neglected in Beatles books. I almost want like a Ringo version of the Lennonology books, Ringology, perhaps? blueskiesdry… (cloudy contribs…) 20:31, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

JG66 was always reliable when it came to Beatles sources, especially George stuff. Hopefully he comes back to WP soon. – zmbro _{(talk) (cont)} 22:20, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Oh he left? blueskiesdry… (cloudy contribs…) 22:40, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes, hasn't been active for nearly a year, sadly. Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:48, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

What about Ken McNab? I’ve been reading his ‘63 book recently and it seems pretty solid so far. blueskiesdry… (cloudy contribs…) 00:00, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Also happy new year I guess blueskiesdry… (cloudy contribs…) 00:00, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Revolver (Beatles album)#Requested move 29 February 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Revolver (Beatles album)#Requested move 29 February 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 08:01, 29 February 2024 (UTC)