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Treviño

We have a minor mess related to the enclave/exclave of Treviño (part of Burgos, surrounded by Álava). As I understand it:

• The enclave of Treviño (es:Enclave de Treviño) consists of two municipalities: Condado de Treviño and La Puebla de Arganzón. Treviño is the capital of Condado de Treviño. That is how the es-wiki organizes things, and in this respect I believe they are correct. Sadly, all of their articles in this area are weak on citations.

Right now, here is how the related English articles work out:

1. Treviño claims to be about the town and municipality; it doesn't indicate that they are not coterminous; it claims falsely that the town/municipality is an exclave (it's not, because it borders La Puebla de Arganzón).
2. Condado de Treviño appears to be about the exclave, which it incorrectly calls Condado de Treviño (which is one of the two municipalities in the exclave).
3. La Puebla de Arganzón appears to be an accurate stub about the municipality.
4. We don't yet have an article on the exclave as such, unless you count the mistitled Condado de Treviño.

I propose to refactor material to parallel es-wiki and the understanding I state above. (I also propose to find decent citations, which I might do for es-wiki first.)

If anyone disagrees with how I propose to attack this, please say so here in the next 2 or 3 days. - Jmabel | Talk 02:50, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Your proposal seems OK to me, exclaves are quite difficult for many English speakers to understand but I agree that Spanish Wikipedia seems to be correct about this. Jezhotwells (talk) 03:07, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm going to start by expanding the stub on La Puebla de Arganzón, which should certainly be uncontroversial; I just now tracked down a bunch of citations for es-wiki, so it will be well-cited. - Jmabel | Talk 05:01, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Looks like no one is objecting, I'm going ahead with this. - Jmabel | Talk 03:43, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Municipalities of Spain

I've noticed that very few articles (relatively speaking) link to municipalities of Spain; instead, they link to the generic municipality. We're good about that on provinces. I, for one, hadn't even been aware of the article municipalities of Spain until today, when I was translating/adapting mancomunidad.

This is way too big for any one person to fix, unless they have nothing better to do with a couple of days of their life. However, I urge everyone to use the appropriate link in the future and fix it if it happens to cross your path. - Jmabel | Talk 21:08, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the reminder, I will check out the Municipalities in the areas in which I have an interest in Teruel, Zaragoza Jezhotwells (talk) 22:05, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Translation assistance requested

In researching the article The Legend of the North Wind (film) I learned that it was produced in Spain under the working title of Balleneros and released as La leyenda del viento del Norte. Aside from the links I need help translating, I also found several Spanish language articles that I need help translating in order to perhaps source the article. These are

1. 1993 article in El Pais seems to indicate that the film went to a festival in New York in 1993 and was up for one of the top three prizes.
   • Yes, but it doesn't say really anything beyond it being in competition for the prizes. - Jmabel | Talk 20:14, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
2. May 1995 article in El Mundo seems to indicate the film won something at the Houston Film Festival
   • Gives no indication at all of what it won, just that it won something; you'd probably have to follow up with the Houston Film Festival. - Jmabel | Talk 20:09, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
3. July 1995 article in El Mundo seems to confirm the sequel El regreso del Viento del Norte (Return of the North Wind)
   • Yes, you've understood correctly. - Jmabel | Talk 20:12, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
4. November 2003 article in Cine por la Red seems to indicate the the film was part of a Spanish animated fantasy films retrospective in 2003
   • No, just a session with its director. It's part of a list of his films. - Jmabel | Talk 20:14, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
5. March 2004 article in Agencia Peru seems to indicate show the film was screened at a 2004 film festival in Peru
   • Yes, you've understood correctly. - Jmabel | Talk 20:14, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

These sources seems to indicate the 1992 animated film won awards and was being screened at festivals more than 5 years after its initial release. Could I get help with a more exact translation than is available through Google? Thank you. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 17:56, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Patrimonio histórico

Do we have any categories for Spain comparable to the categories related to the U.S. National Register of Historic Places or for Listed Buildings in the UK? For example, I'm currently translating Lugares colombinos, which has been declared a conjunto histórico artístico. I would expect to have a category for that, but can't find one.

Also, do we have any standard translations for phrases such as Patrimonio histórico, conjunto histórico artístico, or even (for example) paraje natural? It would make sense to translate these consistently. It would be great if this WikiProject began to develop a glossary for terms like that, so that we could translate them consistently. - Jmabel | Talk 20:06, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Hmmmm, good idea - perhaps a subpage of the project could be created with suggested English terms? Jezhotwells (talk) 21:11, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

I've started something at Wikipedia:WikiProject Spain/Glossary. I've listed some terms for which I have suggestions, and others for which I do not. I think the format I've set up should be self-explanatory. Participation from others on this WikiProject is strongly solicited, including just identifying more terms for which we should try to come up with translations. We can hook it in from the main project page once there is enough there to be useful and some consensus about what's there. - Jmabel | Talk 05:13, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

I have made enough a start on this that someone else's eyes (and perhaps hands) would be useful. - Jmabel | Talk 04:25, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Pretty please? I could use some feedback before I hook it up from the project page. - Jmabel | Talk 06:24, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Since no one else is commenting, I'll be bold & link it unilaterally from the project page. - Jmabel | Talk 19:32, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

New category Category:Revolt of the Brotherhoods

I've realised that es.wiki and ca.wiki have pretty extensive coverage of battles and figures involved in the Revolt of the Brotherhoods, and ca.wiki has its own category just for that. So I've translated over two of the battle accounts and formed a new category Category:Revolt of the Brotherhoods. The articles I brought over aren't great (I just picked them because they're short and quick), but I think the category could be a great addition with a few more articles translated over, ID'ing existing en.wiki articles that should fall under it, etc. MatthewVanitas (talk) 07:52, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Moguer

Resolved

The article on Moguer is a dreadful mess. Further remarks at Talk:Moguer#A lot of near-nonsense here. Is someone interested in taking on a rescue? I have a very long list of things I'm working on right now. - Jmabel | Talk 04:32, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

• Rescuing it myself. - Jmabel | Talk 05:47, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero

José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero#Influence of the attacks on the election outcome has a hoax template. It is easy to see that there is controversy over the accuracy of this section of the article, but it should be explained why, and which part, may be a hoax. I have recently placed the hoax template on a quite implausible section of a completely unrelated article. Now I have been looking at the other articles with a hoax template. Some are clearly doubtful material and should be deleted, some I don't know one way or the other, but the section of the article on Rodríguez Zapatero does not seem like a possible hoax. Inaccuracies, speculation, sure. At some point the hoax template should either be removed, or the problems with the section corrected with reliable sources cited. I hope that a Spanish editor can be of assistance.--DThomsen8 (talk) 13:38, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

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Target-rich environment

I just did a major expansion to costumbrismo. There are a lot of links to articles we should have. Probably about half of these articles exist in the es-wiki. Major opportunity for translation work. - Jmabel | Talk 06:26, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Another batch: Moguer#Other notable people from Moguer. The linked people all have articles in es-wiki. So far, none of them do in en-wiki. - Jmabel | Talk 00:38, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Sevillian school of sculpture, and Granadan school of sculpture, too. - Jmabel | Talk 19:28, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Naming debate

I have started a general naming debate on the naming conventions of Basque provinces at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Basque and would like to invite all interested parties to take part in the debate. Akerbeltz (talk) 12:03, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

New category Category:Spanish conquest of the Canary Islands

I saw that Category:Spanish conquest of the Canary Islands exists in Spanish, so I created a parallel category in English. It still needs to be populated, so I'd appreciate any help. MatthewVanitas (talk) 05:58, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

For whatever it's worth, es-wiki categories are generally much narrower than en-wiki categories, especially with respect to Spain itself. - Jmabel | Talk 06:10, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Cleanup list at Wikipedia:WikiProject Spain/Cleanup listing#Unreferenced BLPs

FYI - A massive discussion is taking place at a Request for comment (RfC) Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Biographies of living people. About 50k of articles are currently unreferenced and therefore in danger of deletion, some of those are on Spanish subjects (e.g. Luis Royo was proposed for deletion for that reason, it now has been referenced). I will add the proper template on the main page to have a bot generate the cleanup list after some days (hopefully). The cleanup link in the title above will then point to a list of unreferenced articles with the WikiProject Spain template on its talk page. Please revise articles on the list, when possible, and

1. review them for contentious unsourced information pr WP:BLP concerns
2. add references (you may e.g. lift references from the Spanish page, if that page exists)
3. remove the {{BLP unsourced}} template from the article.

Thank you. Power.corrupts (talk) 20:19, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Cubana de Aviación Flight 310

The Cubana de Aviación Flight 310 article has been nominated for deletion. It is likely that Spanish language sources will exist for this accident. Are there any members of this WP who are also interested in aviation that can assist in expanding the article. I've done the best I can with English language sources, but am ES-0. Mjroots (talk) 20:47, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Community of Madrid task force

Would anyone be interested in starting a task force about Community of Madrid, including Madrid? WhisperToMe (talk) 10:35, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Cánones

Resolved

Does anyone know precisely what would have been the subject matter of a university faculty of Cánones? Would this be canon law or something else? - Jmabel | Talk 20:23, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

• Duh. Should have done a Google search. Yes, it is canon law. - Jmabel | Talk 20:24, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

MOS for Spanish names?

Hey. Is there a manual of style for Spanish names and/or their disambiguation? I'm wondering if Javier Fernández (figure skater) should be moved to Javier Fernández López, which is the name of the Spanish-language wiki article on him. Kolindigo (talk) 00:42, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

I am not aware of a specific MoS guideline in the English Wikipedia for Spanish names, although a search of the archives of this talk page may provide other information. On the face of it your suggestion for a move would seem to be fine, but let us see what other editors here say. Jezhotwells (talk) 01:01, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Help with a translation, please

I was wondering if someone could help with a source in Spanish, that a few of us non-Spanish-speaking editors cannot read. It is reference 90 at Animal rights, and is being discussed at Talk:Animal rights. The question is whether the source is truly a document from the Spanish government, indicating that a piece of proposed legislation about rights for non-human primates has not yet been enacted into law. Thanks! --Tryptofish (talk) 01:07, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

It's specifically this document we're looking for a translation of, and in particular the part of it that discusses whether the Spanish government has (or hasn't) passed a bill regarding rights for apes. I don't think we need a word-for-word translation just in case it's too much, though we do need to know what the government calls it i.e. whether they refer to a bill or legislation or something else, and whether they discuss the status of it. Any help at all would be much appreciated. SlimVirgin ^{TALK contribs} 01:22, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

This is a non-legislative proposal (Proposición no de Ley) from the Grupo Parlamentario de Esquerra Republicana-Izquierda Unida-Iniciativa per Catalunya Verds (Loosely - Green-Left coalition of Catalunya). The proposal suggests that (1) the Spanish Goverment should sign up to the United Nations Great Apes Project within four months, and support it within the European Union, (2) that within one month of signing, the Government should adjust Spanish legislation so that it is in accordance with the principles of the project, (3) to promote protection of Great Apes in international forums and organisations. This proposal was tabled 14 May 2008 in the Congress of Deputies.

This document is the 23 May 2008 issues of the gazette, the official publication of the Congress of Deputies, it reports motions that were tabled before official commissions of the parliament, in this case the Commission of Agriculture, Environmnet and Fisheries. It does not say whether the the motion was supported or not. I am not familiar enough with Spanish Parliamentary documents to find a document stating whether or not the motion was supported. Jezhotwells (talk) 08:38, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much for that help. I appreciate it very much. --Tryptofish (talk) 15:12, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Antonio Puig

Puig is a Spanish poet. The AFD nomination is based on the fact that sources in the article do not establish notability. His page on the Spanish version seem more developed, but I didn't see such sources there either. Could someone help find out either way? Thanks. Maurreen (talk) 16:34, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

The discussion is here. Maurreen (talk) 16:35, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Translation check requested

I'm in the midst of translating José de Salamanca, 1st Count of los Llanos from the Spanish. There was one very tricky quotation that I believe I understood properly, but I could be mistaken. I didn't try to translate quite literally, but could someone see if they think I have anything wrong about the sense of it? It is the indented quotation in José de Salamanca, 1st Count of los Llanos#Deputy, minister, and exile. I've placed the Spanish original in a footnote on that same page. Please do make any suggestions for rewording (or feel free to edit), and please do remark here if you check it and agree that it is correct, so that I will know that the issues is resolved. Thanks in advance. - Jmabel | Talk 01:56, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Also for the same article, I'm having some trouble with the following:

Al regresar de su primer exilio se ingresó cerca de 300 millones de reales al arrendar durante cinco años al Estado su monopolio sobre el negocio de la sal. Esta cantidad era el doble de todo lo que había ganado desde la obtención de dicho monopolio.

My attempt, though it is imaginable that I've misunderstood something:

Upon returning from his first exile he earned close to 300 million reales by renting out the state salt monopoly for five years. This amount was twice what he had earned since obtaining this monopoly.

Any help would be appreciated. - Jmabel | Talk 07:28, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Your translation is almost right, but there's a slight misunderstanding (he's renting out his monopoly to the state). My attempt:

Upon returning from his first period of exile, he earned close to 300 million reales from renting out to the State his monopoly on salt trading for five years. This was twice the amount that he had ever earned since acquiring that monopoly on salt trading.

willow_tree (talk) 19:50, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

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Vicente Acero

Resolved

- Jmabel | Talk 08:06, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

I am suspicious as to whether the article Vicente Acero is even about a real person. I just started working on an article that, by way of disambiguation, I titled Vicente Acero (18th century), but I am wondering whether the Vicente Acero about whom we already had an article exists at all. The one online link that was there was clearly about the 18th century architect. I've removed several "facts" that were clearly about the 18th century architect.

Does anyone have any source about this purported 16th century architect that is clearly independent of our own article? - Jmabel | Talk 07:02, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

• Resolved: pretty certain the 16th century date was a hoax or error. Material variously deleted or moved, accordingly. - Jmabel | Talk 08:06, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

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Capilla mayor

Is there any good English rendering for the capilla mayor of a church, other than "main worship hall"? - Jmabel | Talk 20:46, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Main chapel, as opposed to capilla menor, which in English would be a side chapel. English churches don't usually have "main chapels", just the nave, with an altar at one end, but large churches in Spain often have a closed off chapel, behind the altar, the "capilla mayor". –– Jezhotwells (talk) 20:57, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Ah, thanks. - Jmabel | Talk 21:42, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

National Library of Catalonia

The content of two articles has now been merged following a proposal made in 2008. Talk:National Library of Catalonia. --Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 12:41, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Seeking help on a couple of phrases

Resolved

I'm translating es:Pedro Roldán. Eventually, of course, it will go at Pedro Roldán; right now it's at User:Jmabel/temp. There are a couple of phrases that are throwing me, so I'm here seeking help. Please, if you are confident, feel free to edit the article directly even while it is in my user space.

• With reference to his daughter Francisca Roldán: "...se encargaba del encarnado de las imágenes..." I'd guess that this means that she was in charge of the rough shaping of the sculptures, before he would do the details, but I'm not completely confident in that interpretation.
• "De formación naturalista, su imaginería evoluciona hacia un mayor barroquismo, con un estilo personal tan elegante como libre de formas." I'm not sure I understand libre de formas in this context.

- Jmabel | Talk 02:26, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

It's been two weeks; I'm moving this into article space even with two untranslated phrases. - Jmabel | Talk 06:28, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

The expulsion of Muslims

Hey I think there is lack of coverage of the war with Muslims, since as far as I know Queen Isabella came to power by defeating the Muslims. I want to a little bit low on my attitude , ok . Is this article presented to glorify Queen Isabella and Mr Ferdinand , I mean what is the reliability of this article . Is there any opposing thoughts on it . If so let me know. Motiur0 (talk) 15:48, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi, Motiur! I have no clue about what article you are talking about. About Queen Isabella coming to power by defeating the Muslims, that is absolutely wrong. She came to the power by defeating Juana la Beltraneja. Once in the power, she and her husband defeated the last of the Moorish kingdoms, the Kingdom of Granada, finishing the Reconquista, which had started seven centuries ago. Other historical fact is the expulsion of the Muslims and Jews, that was as well done much later than her coronation. --Garcilaso (talk) 09:50, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Architectural terminology

Translating Cárcel Real (Cádiz), I had trouble with the following sentence: "Las ventanas de la planta baja, de mayor luz, tienen un sencillo guardapolvo de traza horizontal, que desciende cóncavo en sus extremos." My take was "The wide windows of the lower floor have a simple horizontal dustguard, which becomes concave at its lower ends," but I suspect I've missed something. Further discussion at Talk:Cárcel Real (Cádiz). - Jmabel | Talk 23:26, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

I had a chat with an architect friend in Spain tonight and he said that the picture of the Cárcel explained everything. The guardapulvo is the dustcover over the window on the ground floor. If you look at the original .jpg you can see how at either end (en sus extremos) the shape is concave. Hope this is of some help. Jkslouth (talk) 22:04, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Well, that fits fine with my translation, but I still don't see the concavity in the pictures. Oh, well. - Jmabel | Talk 18:37, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

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New Member

Glad to help any way I can. Just leave a request on my talk page. Jkslouth (talk) 23:14, 8 May 2010 (UTC)Jkslouth

Another bit of translation help requested

See Talk:Regenerationism#Lucas Mallada. I skipped a paragraph when translating this article, because I wasn't sure I could make proper sense of its first sentence. Someone else may want to take a shot & then restore it to its proper place in the article. - Jmabel | Talk 01:51, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Arturo Alonso

Activista de los derechos humanos y defensor de la custodia compartida reconocido por la ONU Historia y biografia

Amanecera (talk) 16:17, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Started translation of Conquest of the Canary Islands

The Spanish wiki has a decent article on the subject, which is unfortunately referenced but not footnoted. I've gotten about 1/3 of the way through this evening, and if anyone else wants to help add material I've shielded the Spanish text lower down in the article. I'll also go poking around for places to link in the article to avoid an "orphan" tag. MatthewVanitas (talk) 18:20, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

List of largest footraces / Cursa de El Corte Inglés

I'm seeking a little bit of help on two related issues. English Wikipedia currently does not have an entry for Cursa de El Corte Inglés, one of the largest running races in the world. Any assistance with this would be most welcome. Also, List of largest footraces has contradictory citations stating that 1986 Bay to Breakers and 1994 Cursa El Corte Ingles each hold a Guinness World Record for largest footrace. The first applies to Bay to Breakers and is in English. The second (PDF) applies to Cursa El Corte Ingles and is in Spanish. For the second reference, I was hoping that someone could translate the brief headline under "109.457" to see if it distinguishes between participants and registered runners. Thanks! Location (talk) 05:16, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Casares (Quirós) and Casares, Spain

Someone might like to tidy up this pair of article names? They're both linked from the dab page at Casares. PamD (talk) 22:26, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

 Done Casares, Asturias and Casares, Málaga. Jezhotwells (talk) 12:14, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Photo requests

Hi! I have a few photo requests:

• Madrid: Iberia Building - Calle Velázquez 130, Madrid.
• Barcelona: Spanair Building. Plaça d'Europa 54-56, 08902 L'Hospitalet de Llobregat (Barcelona)
• Palma de Mallorca: Spanair Building, Palma de Mallorca Airport
• Llucmajor, Majorca: Air Europa headquarters - Centro Empresarial Globalia

WhisperToMe (talk) 02:59, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Juan José Carbó

A noted Spanish comic strip illustrator, Juan José Carbó, is in Template:Did_you_know/Queue#Queue_6 which hits the DYK frontpage in 24 hours (7 am London time on June 18, 2010). Carbó represents the best article I have ever written. Unfortunately, there are questions about the image file used. The uploader claims to be a relative of Carbó and used a terrible license. Still, here's another DYK for the project. Enjoy. ----moreno oso (talk) 11:54, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Barnstar

I hope that nobody minds that I made a barnstar for this Wikiproject. It's nothing much, and anyone can replace it if they want, but I noticed that this WikiProject didn't have one and thought you might like one. Template:Spanish barnstar --Slon02 (talk) 03:51, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for making this. –– Jezhotwells (talk) 21:58, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

However unfortunately the insertion of a message bit doesn't actually work. –– Jezhotwells (talk) 22:14, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

I managed to fix it- it works now. --Slon02 (talk) 00:02, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Well done, this is useful addition to the project. –– Jezhotwells (talk) 00:54, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion

Spanish vocabulary has been proposed for deletion. It's worth noting that English vocabulary and French vocabulary are redirects. Uncle G (talk) 16:26, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

New Member

Hi. I am are real Wikipedia beginner (struggling to be bold!) but am keen to help. In particular, I am interested in improving the Spanish_art page (currently High importance, but Stub quality) and other coverage related to Spanish Art. I note that the Outline of Spain page refers to Art in Spain, but that doesn't exist yet - need for a redirect/rename? Since the Spanish Wikipedia's Spanish Art page is pretty good, it could provide a framework (pity my Spanish language is so rudimentary.) Some other pages that I think could help as a guide, are the Art of Italy and Flemish art pages, in terms of how to structure.

Please provide any advice/encouragement on my talk page. Mozzy66 (talk) 06:02, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

• Note Art of Spain. Uncle G (talk) 17:04, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Need help with Mallorquí pronunciation of Rafael Nadal

There's a "debate" going on at Rafael Nadal of whether or not Catalan pronunciation: [rəfəˈɛɫ nəˈðaɫ pəˈɾeɾə] is a proper Mallorcan-Catalan spelling. Mallorca is part of the Balearic Islands and Catalan is spoken there: See Balearic. Anyone who can help... it would be much appreciated. Thanks, oncamera^(t) 18:33, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Spanish-language sources

The assistance of multiple Spanish language readers is needed at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Ramiro Helmeyer. Uncle G (talk) 15:28, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

"Variables"

In quotation from a Spanish law in es:Sistema Nacional de Salud (España) (which I'm attempting to translate): "Los criterios generales sobre financiación pública de medicamentos y productos sanitarios y sus variables." I'm not sure what "variables" means in this context. Prices? Replacement parts for medical products? Or what? - Jmabel | Talk 04:28, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I can't help with that, but I have asked a native SpanishY speaker. –– Jezhotwells (talk) 23:49, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

I know it's a bit late to answer, but I hope this helps! "Variables" here would mean "and similar products" or "and derived products". The whole phrase would be "the general public finance criterias of drugs and health products and their derived products". JaumeBG 01:28, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi. "y sus variables" can be read in two ways:

-variables de "medicamentos y productos sanitarios" -variables de " criterios generales...".

"health products" is a general term that includes "their derived products", so i think it refers to the "criteria variation". After all in spain there are regional variations in health policy 212.166.210.173 (talk) 22:04, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Interview with Jacques Herzog about La Caixca Forum building

Good day,

We write you from Studio Banana TV to inform you about a video that might be of interest to you. It concerns an interview with Jacques Herzog wherein he talks about the Caixca Forom building in Madrid. The video guides us through the design process by showing and explaining us what the building used to be like, its former and present relation with the rest of the city Madrid and the specifications of the brief Herzog & de Meuron had to work with.

We believe that this video offers a valuable view on the Caixca Forom building and Herzog & de Meuron's ways of working. Therefor we send you a link to the video and hope you are interested in embedding this on your wikipedia page.

http://studiobanana.tv/2009/07/22/herzogdemeuron/

The aim of Studio Banana TV is to create historical multimedia documentations of contemporary persons in the cultural and creative sector. With these documentations, Studio Banana TV wants to contribute to the understanding of the values and motivations of our time.

We wish you a pleasant day! Feel free to contact us if you have any questions. Kind regards, The Studio Banana TV team. Videosonline (talk) 13:57, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, we certainly wouldn't be embedding it in a Wikipedia article, but it may be of interest to editors on the artcil who may be contacted at Talk:CaixaForum Madrid. –– Jezhotwells (talk) 23:53, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Playa Blanca

The article is a total brochure. Can someone assist in gutting it of useless content and re-writing? I'll be back soon to assist. S.G.^(GH) _ping! 14:59, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Naming Castilla-La Mancha or Castile -La Mancha

Recently I came across a remark at Talk:Castile-La_Mancha#Article name querying the half English / half Spanish rendering. Agreeing with this, I made the move to Castilla-La Mancha. This was reverted by by User:Satesclop, who when queried left a rather rude note on my talk page.[1] It would be good if we had some sort of consensu about this here. I welcome comments from other project members. Jezhotwells (talk) 17:05, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Map war

I was wondering if anyone could look into the latest drive-by map shooting IP warrior, Special:Contributions/79.157.251.1111, who's changing loads of maps. Not sure about what the consensus is on the others but on 4 that I'm watching (Gipuzkoa, Biscay, Álava and Basque Country (autonomous community)) it is the stated consesus to use the other map but he's not taking any hints. Akerbeltz (talk) 14:51, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

I am wondering if this is Satesclop editing as an IP. The behaviour and editing pattern seems similar. Jezhotwells (talk) 18:19, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Transport map FP - old and no longer needed?

Is not currently used and is likely to get delisted from FP status. Feel free to see if you want to convert/update/use it, and preferably let us know at Wikipedia talk:Featured picture candidates#Large number of orphaned FPs. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 21:17, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Attention needed for motorway

• Autopista AP-41 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

The map's out of date and wrong; the content dates from a year before the road opened and is partly wrong; there are no sources cited at all; and the article is nominated for deletion. es:Autopista Madrid-Córdoba cites scant few sources, but should provide at least a guide for sources to look for. I'm sure that some quick work by the experienced interwiki translators here could fix this in short order. Uncle G (talk) 14:28, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Most road articles should be deleted in my opinion, they have little encyclopaedic value. Jezhotwells (talk) 14:50, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Currently there are at least 15,000 almost 20,000 road articles on Wikipedia. There are over three hundred road articles that are GA and over thirty that are FA. Are you proposing the deletion of all of them? (Perhaps you haven't seen the ones in the US, for example). --Rschen7754 16:41, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

No, I was suggesting that most of them have little merit. Indeed there are many road good articles, there are also many more bad ones. Personally, I feel that only notable road articles should be here. I have even written one, Portway, Bristol. I have reviewed several for GA status and come across some real stinkers. Jezhotwells (talk) 18:05, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Indeed, some roads are not notable for Wikipedia. WP:USRD/NT is how we handle the situation in the United States. --Rschen7754 18:11, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Help wanted to review and improve new articles

Hello, I have recently created Catholicism in the Second Spanish Republic and the following related articles:

• José Manuel Gallegos Rocafull
• Ángel Ossorio y Gallardo
• Manuel Carrasco Formiguera
• Joan Vilar i Costa
• Acció Catalana
• Evaristo Crespo Azorín

The text for the five six starred articles was taken from a translation of the original articles in the Spanish and Catalan Wikipedias. As such, the text needs much improvement and I fear my command of the Spanish language is inadequate to do the task. (I have no knowledge of Catalan at all.) If you can fix any translation issues by, looking at the original articles and compare them against the translated text, I would much appreciate it.

The article Catholicism in the Second Spanish Republic is not a translation but rather a compilation of texts from other articles in the English Wikipedia. There is a strong pro-Catholic bias in those articles and I have been working with User:Sayerslle to address the NPOV issues. However, the article would benefit from the involvement of more editors.

--Richard S (talk) 03:38, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

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Word lists by frequency

Hello, I created this article. May you help to expand this article, if I remember well, Spain also have its own frequency list. {{Frequency list}}

Yug (talk) 19:04, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Sabotage and vandalism against Spain breaking wiki rules about ethnicity and sovereign states

First at all, I apologice if this is not the place to put this article, but the desperation that I feel is so big that i don´t know where to address this. Lately I realice how biography of spanish personalities in wiki are manipulete for a vandalic group and nobody do nothing to stop this, they are basque independentistm or simpatizers of this extremal ideas and anti spanish. What they do it´s to change spanish and write instead basque spanish, just for the fact that a person was born in a village that today are in the basque country region. they invented a new nationality against the wiki rules, and the most funny it´s that allways they are lying and talking about consensous, when it´s a particular imposition of 10 or 15 persons, in some cases this people just are editing to erase Spain when the city is Bilbao, San Sebastian ... This people are extremetally activist among them Special:Contributions/Iñaki LL, Special:Contributions/Xabier Armendaritz, Special:Contributions/Akerbeltz and more Some examples of their vandalic action are [[2]] ; but there is hundreds, you just have to take a look to his "contributions" they try to airbrush Spain and spanish conquerors, There is not in any language in wikipedia except in basque of course this term basque spanish. If you look closer all those biographies, you realise that was this group of basque independat activistes who introduce this term in some moment, and without prior advise or talk, because allways till this interruption was wroten right as spanish. some examples of their cruisade are Ignacio Zuloaga Bigraphie of Juan Sebastian Elcano, Francisco de Garay, Pio Baroja, Ignacio Zuloaga and hundreds mor are in continue cruisade for this group of hooligans. Lately they open a debate about the spanish/basque origin issue of Juanito Oiarzabal, but this is the first time till now. all the rest was imposition, but anyway this goes against the wiki rules. [[3]]

Even some of them are part of wikiProjectbasque, but they are not respecting the rules. Please what shoud we do against this vandalism? Thank you Wity55 (talk) 14:27, 6 October 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wity55 (talk • contribs) 14:25, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Note the above editor has been blocked for sockpuppetry Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Guipuscoa. I would suggest that the current compromise of stating both nationality and ethnicity (e.g. X is a [Spain|Spanish] [Basque people|Basque] tinker/sailor/soldier/spy...) remains workable. Akerbeltz (talk) 15:26, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Move Alcoy (Spain) to Alcoy, Spain

I've noticed the article Alcoy (Spain) uses brackets when most location names of cities and towns which exist in different places use a comma and then the region or country, not brackets with the country or region name, so I was just wondering if the article should be moved to Alcoy, Spain instead, or leave it as it is? JaumeBG 01:34, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

I agree and have placed a move request template at Talk:Alcoy (Spain). Please comment there. Jezhotwells (talk) 14:45, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

So yeah, just want to let everyone know that the move has been done. JaumeBG 09:38, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

12th/13th century history puzzle

Álava shows Lope Diaz de Haro I as the regional lord from 1214–1240. Lope Díaz I de Haro (1105-1190) seems to be the same person, but the dates don't match up. Any experts around ?

It's the same guy, the dates on the Álava page are wrong. Feel free to correct. Akerbeltz (talk) 13:40, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Go on - be a star and point me towards a source of the correct dates and I'll happily fix it. I'm so far from being an expert on 12th century Spanish nobility that its not funny. I just run a not-very bright computer system that picks out inconsistencies in datum. - TB (talk) 22:25, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Listing articles in Spanish that need English translations

Where do I list articles in Spanish that need English translations?

I found es:Salón Internacional del Cómic de Barcelona, which has no English version... WhisperToMe (talk) 20:50, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

I don't think there is a specific place for such a list. Also bear in mind that many articles on Spanish Wikipedia are unreferenced, your example only has one reference. Jezhotwells (talk) 18:43, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

While it is true that many articles on ES are unreferenced, in this case I think it's likely that there will be other RSes talking about this particular topic. In the Spanish Wikipedia article's case there is one secondary source and one primary source. WhisperToMe (talk) 19:04, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

MAPS & INFO OF SPAIN

Hi, I just came across this interesting site which is having lot of information on Southern part of SPAIN.Here are the Links:- 1.> MAPS & INFO OF SPAIN

On the same site, I found some > INTERESTING FACTS OF SPAIN —Preceding unsigned comment added by Peri2631 (talk • contribs) 05:31, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

An estate agent's site is not a reliable source. Please read up on the the five pillars of Wikipedia, which introduce our policies on verifiability and referencing. Jezhotwells (talk) 18:40, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Spanish-speaking reviewer needed

There's a draft article at User talk:Soportebogaris that needs reviewing as part of an unblock request. To verify notability, someone needs to assess the spanish-language sources. Any volunteers? -- John of Reading (talk) 21:42, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Done. Valenciano (talk) 22:21, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you -- John of Reading (talk) 22:24, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

RCD Espanyol

"Despite being overshadowed by Futbol Club Barcelona, they are the sixth most successful football team in Spain."

How in the hell they are the sixth most succssful team in Spain if they have never won La Liga and put together Copa del Rey winners, Espanyol isn't even in top 10. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.190.112.50 (talk) 21:20, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

I suspect that whoever added it did so on the basis of a recent table in which Espanyol were sixth in this season's league. I've removed it as the ref doesn't support it. Valenciano (talk) 21:51, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject cleanup listing

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Wiktionary - Dictionary

The Spanish dictionary of Wikipedia (Wiktionary) needs volunteers, practise your knowledge (German, English, Spanish, French,...).

You are invited!!!

• Wiktionary Español —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.226.104.241 (talk) 20:09, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

We Need Your Help Please

We have begun an RFC at the Gibraltar article. The section for discussion is here. We really need a wider audience to help us with suggestions. Since this is one of the articles in your project area we would appreciate your assistance. Thanks! JodyB _talk 11:29, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Sevilla FC page

There's an incendiary comment at the very beginning of the article. It appears a Real Betis fan snuck in a shot at Sevilla. It's the third sentence which reads, "el sevilla es uno de los peores equipos del mundo el betis es mejor q el sevilla y y er sevilla no le gana ni al villapontenponpas." This should be removed.

Revclay (talk) 20:01, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes, that was vandalism, which has been reverted. You can fight it yourself, details at Wikipedia:Vandalism. Jezhotwells (talk) 23:26, 30 November 2010 (UTC)