Editors supported moving the pages back to their pre-rollup page names and ending their scope prior to the GHR rollup. Raymie
) 23:58, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
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For stations that were merged in the Greatest Hits Radio rollup and rebrand of September 1, should their prior station articles cover history past being merged and remain at their present titles, or stop at the merger and be moved back to their original station names, with new articles for the post-rollup GHR stations? Thanks, Raymie (t • c) 19:47, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
In 2019, Bauer Radio, a British owner of radio stations, bought a significant amount of stations from other groups in acquisitions that closed in March 2020.
On September 1, 2020, many prior local stations were rolled up into and rebranded as Greatest Hits Radio, resulting in the establishments of a number of new super-regional replacements merging what had been, at times, five or more prior stations. The articles on the prior local stations, such as Greatest Hits Radio North Derbyshire (formerly Peak FM), were renamed to reflect their status as opt-outs of the new regional stations: in that case, Greatest Hits Radio Yorkshire. Some stations had been rebranded right before the rollup.
There was a reverted edit that would have changed Greatest Hits Radio Surrey & East Hampshire back to its pre-GHR title of "Eagle Radio". I (Raymie) had suggested this as a potential solution to the concern that had started the AfD, an assertion that the stations were no longer notable having been merged up. No further Delete vote has surfaced at the AfD, but there has been discussion by several editors over the same page title and scope concerns.
Concerns about the two aforementioned pages resulted in the discussions at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Greatest Hits Radio North Derbyshire and Talk:Greatest Hits Radio Surrey & East Hampshire, and in individual edits to pages like Greatest Hits Radio Bucks, Beds and Herts. This RfC was created as to centralize both discussions, get more input from the project, and create consensus.
Right now, the pages are titled and written such that they cover the history of the stations past the rollup, in which they are little more than news, travel news and commercial opt-outs of a regional service that in turn has very little deviation in presenters and programming from a national service (as seen here).
Hits Radio South Coast, among other pages, sets UK precedent for the scope of a station article not including predecessors upon the merge of multiple stations, even if their transmitters remained in use.
Pages to be movedEdit
The following pages would be moved back and reverted back to their pre-rebrand titles:
- Support as per nom - IMHO all moved articles should be moved back with content being pre-rebrand and then GHR stations being created as seperate articles, –Davey2010Talk 21:01, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
- Support as per nom - with all moved articles moved back with content being pre-rebrand. I don't think you need articles created for the GHR local areas as there would be no content different to the main article for the national station which already exists - Greatest Hits Radio Tod55 (talk) 21:17, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
- Support, for the following reasons:
- There is precedent in UK radio for this sort of split; for instance, Hits Radio South Coast features blurbs on all of its predecessors, though here it would make less sense for a GHR article to do that. (There are also articles that are unnecessarily split in UK radio, but that's another story.) The guideline should be simple: an article break can and should occur when a local station is merged with others into a regional or national service, but not when a local station is sold and changes names/format (unless a license revocation is involved, like with Radio Victory).
- The nature of the operations of these stations changed considerably. Many local studios were closed in favor of program delivery from Bauer's existing network centers.
- There will be fewer confusing article names and fewer redundant pages with the same content. The super-regional areas of Greatest Hits Radio (e.g. Greatest Hits Radio Midlands) should not have articles of their own; their opt-outs can be addressed in the network article, and their constituent pre-rollup stations in their articles.
- Note that there are two exceptions. Stations that used the GHR name pre-rollup, such as Greatest Hits Radio South Yorkshire, should not be moved. Stations that post-rollup still operate as individual entities despite being rebranded or franchised, like Greatest Hits Radio South Coast and Greatest Hits Radio South Wales, should not be moved. It is also worth pointing out that the Scottish stations in this network have not adopted GHR branding, and because Ofcom have set limits regarding program sharing between UK nations, the Scottish stations may merit consideration as their own network if the branding is brought to Scotland. Raymie (t • c) 21:29, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
- Support as per nom - I've been in a similar situation myself with the Jazz FM (UK) article which was nominated for deletion. The new station would not have made sense in the 102.2 Jazz FM article being a separate entity to the new station (and its former incarnation, jazzfm.com). Having separate articles for the defunct and new stations sufficed. And the same should happen here. The old stations (with references to validate their notability) should retain their articles whilst the new Greatest Hits Radio network should be mentioned within the Greatest Hits Radio article. --tgheretford (talk) 17:13, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
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These pages need to be moved (back, in some cases) to new titles still as of 1 January 2021: