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Cadenza Piano

Afternoon guys, can someone take a look at the article above, and also where the creator of that article has added information about the Cadenza Piano to verify what is said is correct.Official Site here for some info. From what I can tell, this is an electronic keyboard / synth in a piano shell. Obviously all sources list it as a Piano, but figure someone better informed than I can help on the talk page resolve that. I am also, unclear as to notability of the instrument manufacturer themselves. I assume you have your own notability guidelines specifically to this project that will be able to better evaluate. Cheers. Koncorde (talk) 00:26, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

You do realise there's such a thing as an electric piano, right? Which doesn't necessarily mean synthesizer? And that every article lists it as a piano? A storm in a teacup. Maxim.il89 (talk) 00:56, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

I am aware, I gave you that link on the piano talk page. However I am also aware enough to have read the article and it states that an electric piano has strings. You have stated this one does not. So either you are right, and it isn't a piano but a misnomer, or you are wrong and it is a piano.

However this doesn't change the other questions regarding its notability or significance to be added to multiple articles and changing of long standing redirects. I am not professing to know the outcome, I am asking people who will know better. Koncorde (talk) 01:40, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Just for example, there is a reference at the end of the page on electric piano directing to Digital piano which may be what the Cadenza is (assuming it has mechanical weighting to the keys). Koncorde (talk) 01:44, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

It's been placed in more than 30 cities, its' the first piano made specifically for the outdoors from concrete, and its stationing was celebrated by famous Israeli artists, pretty notable.

Are you also going to let the people here know you've been following me from article to article? This weird behavioural pattern? Maxim.il89 (talk) 08:49, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

I would suggest you read Wikipedia:Notability. Koncorde (talk) 09:30, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

I'd suggest the same to you. I mean, you were asking questions that indicated you obviously didn't read the article. Maxim.il89 (talk) 22:15, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Organizing instrument articles

Not sure if this is the best place to post, but here goes. We have clarinet and clarinet family, which both cover very similar topics; the last one is more of a "list of clarinet types". What is the distinction between these two articles?

The related question I have is more complicated. Currently, the article trumpet focuses on the valved Western trumpets, which makes sense, since that's the primary topic (I think). But the lead seems to ignore many other types of instruments commonly considered "trumpets", particularly non-Western ones. Obviously musical instruments are difficult to consistently classify, and this difficulty transfers to organizing articles, but I thought a structure like this would make more sense:

• Trumpet (dealing specifically with the valved, Western trumpets, namely the bass trumpet through piccolo trumpet and occasional oddities like the quarter-tone trumpet. Contains a hatnote to the effect of This article is about the valved brass instrument. For other types of trumpets, see Trumpet family. Of course it would mention natural trumpets and such as predecessors of the trumpet, and probably the other types of trumpets in some "Definition" section.)
  • Bass trumpet
  • Piccolo trumpet
  • Pocket trumpet
  • (If it proves to be a sufficiently interesting topic) History of the valved trumpet
• Trumpet family (dealing with all instruments considered "trumpets". That would include natural trumpets, cornets, flugelhorns, slide trumpets, olifants, and others. It would also expound on the varying definitions/classification systems and associated ambiguities. For example, Hornbostel–Sachs considers conches, ophicleides, trombones, and tubas to all be "trumpets", as aerophones sounded by lip vibrations.)
  • History of the trumpet or History of the trumpet family (covering the history of a broader understanding of "trumpets". I think this would include most non-Western "trumpets", and exclude Western brass instruments that, in common parlance, aren't called trumpets, like the trombone, tuba. Would be very similar to History of primitive, ancient Western and non-Western trumpets, but inclusive of Western valved trumpets too.)

In summary, I'd like valved Western trumpets to go into Trumpet and subarticles which say "valved trumpet", while all instruments considered trumpets go in Trumpet family. I'm hoping to improve trumpet-related articles for a while, since they generally seem to lack inline citations; hopefully this new organization is sensible! Sincerely, Ovinus (talk) 13:38, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Ovinus. What you want to do makes perfect sense. I see a similar issue with Lute, which covers only the European instrument; my solution was History of lute-family instruments which is becoming awkward because of the number of instruments. That article is becoming unwieldy and might need to follow your idea to become Lute family and the history of the lute family. I look forward to your trumpet-article reworking. Jacqke (talk) 13:56, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

@Jacqke: Thanks! Yeah, the vagueness of instrument definitions is a general problem. Britannica seems to do basically what I suggest, explaining that trumpet can refer to a lot of things particularly in ethnomusicology, but talks mainly about the B♭ trumpet and mentions the other sizes, including piccolo and bass. Grove Music Online, which has a much more in-depth article, starts off with a portion about "trumpet" in the broadest context, and then spends most of the article discussing "The Western Trumpet", including the natural and slide trumpets. I don't know which approach makes more sense, because for example, we can't talk about chromatics unless we exclude the natural trumpet (or qualify that section with, "On valved trumpets"). Anyway, I linked this discussion on the Trumpet talk page, so hopefully some more people can weigh in! Cheers, Ovinus (talk) 20:44, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Audio file placement

Hello, I just looked at page violin and was surprised to find the first audio file half-way down the long article at 6.2.4 Vibrato. WP is not a paper encyclopedia but obviously can produce sounds as well. And since the sole purpose of musical instruments is to make sounds, shouldn't audio/video files of recordings be standard right at the very top of any musical instrument article? I believe we're missing a trick here when such articles start with text and an infobox. --Dutchy45 (talk) 08:07, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

I think you are right. It would be nice if a file could be included as part of the infobox. In mandolin, there are two sounds clips near the top. For anyone interested in working on this project, standardizing placement of sounds clips could be a good contribution.Jacqke (talk) 11:42, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Proposal to rebalance the focus of the article Lyre

Your opinions welcome at Talk:Lyre#I_disagree_with_focusing_the_article_on_Greek_lyre_and_describing_the_rest_as_"others". TapTheForwardAssist (talk) 21:23, 1 January 2021 (UTC)