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Linking Olympic handball teamsEdit

Please see the discussion about linking the nations of teams sports at the Olympics (and so handball) at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Olympics#Linking of team sports. Sander.v.Ginkel (Talk) 14:10, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Logos: http://www.lnh.fr/medias/sports_competitions/20132014__d1__clear.png http://www.sporthungary.hu/images/khliga.jpg https://www.boxertv.dk/siteassets/landing-pages/boxerligaerne/blaa_herreligaen.png — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.15.147.139 (talk) 23:21, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Medal icons in result boxesEdit

There is a discussion at Olympics project regarding match templates and medal icons, i.e. if they should be shown (diff) or not shown (diff).

This affects handball as well so please join at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Olympics#Medal icons on team sport templates

Women in Red online editathon on sportsEdit

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RFC on sports notabilityEdit

An RFC has recently been started regarding a potential change to the notability guidelines for sportspeople. Please join in the conversation. Thank you. Primefac (talk) 23:08, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Discussion at NSPORTSEdit

Hello all. In an effort to finally resolve the never-ending and annoying GNG v SSG issue, I've proposed a revision of the NSPORTS introduction. You are all invited to take part in the discussion. Thank you. Jack | talk page 06:20, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Image sandwiching honours section at Paris Saint-Germain HandballEdit

I dont know about you fellows, but at my computed and my mobile the way the editor insists in adding that pic just makes the honours section sandwiched and ugly as hell. We have policies against pics sandwiching text and also the way I moved the pic to the end of the previous section doesnt seem much better and fixes the problem? FkpCascais (talk) 17:10, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Images from 2016 Women's Junior World Handball ChampionshipEdit

Hello! I've uploaded to Commons ~250 images of 2016 Women's Junior World Handball Championship or more precisely all of them are related to Group A of that championship. Well, I tried to categorize and I did everything that I could. To facilitate clarification of players on photos I created this page which consists of matches report link and gallery of matches link. I will very happy if you help to use this images to improve handball-related articles. Voltmetro 20:55, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

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Notability GuideEdit

I tried to write a Notability Guide for Handball. Please add your inputs at the discussion. --Malo95 (talk) 13:48, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

Responses: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(sports)&oldid=918251192#Handball Robby.is.on (talk) 13:56, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
  • The proposed notability guide for Handball is good, as it allows reference to Continental tournaments and professional leagues which may not appear in US tables of competitions. --Whiteguru (talk) 06:56, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Merge of WC field and indoorEdit

@Dancilaisfunny, Hyperion82, Zackmann08, Kante4, Almagestas, Disnihapoel, and Dellux mkd:

Hey Handball friends. I pinged you because User:Dancilaisfunny implemented the article World Cup Field Handball into IHF World Men's Handball Championship and IHF World Women's Handball Championship.

I think you did this under good faith, but first of all Dancilaisfunny please ask first at this or the article page if the merge is ok.

In my view this move was not useful. Because this two events were two separate events. The IHF listed them under indoor and outdoor World Championships (Link & Link2). All other languages have also the separation between indoor and outdoor.

You wrote as reason "It was moved and the IHF does not use the word FIELD". So we can debate the name of the article for example World Men's Outdoor Handball Championship.

In my opinion the outdoor handball should be removed from the indoor pages and there should be two article about the outdoor events with the names World Men's Outdoor Handball Championship and World Women's Outdoor Handball Championship. What are your opinions?--Malo95 (talk) 15:03, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

@Kb03 and Onel5969: I saw you two did both a revert at World Cup Field Handball. Please read my explanation above. I think there should be a separate article about field handball. Also impotent to mention is that User:Dancilaisfunny is blocked. And nobody call it Handball elevens and sevens how he wrote.--Malo95 (talk) 16:15, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
Malo95, I reverted him because he was a blocked sock, nothing more. I have no opinion about the content dispute. Kb03 (talk) 17:41, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
And I reverted simply because it was a cut and paste edit, which isn't allowed. I also have no opinion regarding the naming dispute, other than that if consensus is that the name should be changed, then the article should be moved. Onel5969 TT me 02:35, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
I deleted the content at the indoor pages and created: IHF World Men's Outdoor Handball Championship & IHF World Women's Outdoor Handball Championship. I hope under this new titles everybody is satisfied.--Malo95 (talk) 17:25, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
@74Account: You reverted my edits at IHF World Men's Handball Championship and IHF World Women's Handball Championship please read my comment above. If you are disagree please let it discuss, else let my deleted the field handball content at the indoor articles.--Malo95 (talk) 17:32, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
If an opinion is still useful, I agree with you Malo95: I think we can consider that Field (outdoor) Handball and 7-player (indoor) Handball are two different sports directed by the same governing body, the International Handball Federation. Consequently, both articles IHF World Men's Outdoor Handball Championship & IHF World Women's Outdoor Handball Championship looks perfect to me. --LeFnake (talk) 16:25, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Request for information on WP1.0 web toolEdit

Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.

We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used by....you! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at this Google form where you can leave your response. Walkerma (talk) 04:24, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Youth beach teamsEdit

Hi all, do you think we need specific pages for Youth beach teams? Seeing now as they are included in the Youth Olympics, therefore regional qualifiers are happening. So would be bhy|nation Currently results are down as national teams.Bjcook (talk) 06:40, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

@Bjcook: I think the best is if you create new pages. In the future my next project is to create pages for the field handball national teams. --Malo95 (talk) 16:26, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
Will do Malo95.--Bjcook (talk) 22:19, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

DiscordEdit

Hey all, I hope everyone is safe and healthy. My name is HickoryOughtShirt?4 and I'm a member of WikiProject Ice Hockey. I was wondering if there was any interest in starting a WikiProject Sports channel on Discord? There's quite a few of us who are interested in sports, and I think it would be a good idea to help the WikiProject recruit more members. You guys can join us through here.HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 00:02, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

The Handball BarnstarEdit

 
Hello, I created the Handball Barnstar via {{The Handball Barnstar|put your message here ~~~~}}. I already added it to the Template section of this project. Jerm (talk) 04:16, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

@Jerm: Thank you very much for the template-Malo95 (talk) 14:16, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Eurohandball.comEdit

Hey, so the site changes it layout. So far, the player profile are not working. I do hope they will still work when all is setup, otherwise we need to find a way to replace them (hopefully a bot would be able to do that but i am to stupid for something like this)... Kante4 (talk) 15:01, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

@Kante4: I looked at it and not only the players doesn't work any more also the competition pages are brocken. But if you replace the www with history, it redirects to the archive example: www.eurohandball.com/player/523212 to history.eurohandball.com/player/523212. But it would be nice if we're able to link to the new pages. I have a contact at the EHF, I'll ask if they have a table or something else to connect the old and new links.-Malo95 (talk) 08:24, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, that would be great. I asked S.A. Julio (talk · contribs) for help as he is good at technical solutions. Maybe they can redirect those "old" links to the "new" ones or something like this, so we don't have to edit thousands of articles... Appreciate your help and let me know if you got some info. ;) Kante4 (talk) 08:45, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
To change from www to history is not a big deal. Couple days ago I made a similar request for the IHF page. Wikipedia:Link rot/URL change requests/Archives/2020/July#IHF.--Malo95 (talk) 09:11, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
Ahh, there it came from, good catch. ;) The template "EHF" and the wikidata template for the Eurohandball player ID needs to be fixed. If we use history, we do not get the new data i guess and it stays where it was, so no updating for future seasons. Kante4 (talk) 09:17, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
For now, i added the "history" to the template and the wikidata item. Kante4 (talk) 13:18, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
Thanks Kante4! Unfortunately, it doesn't work yet, see examples in Property or Daniel Narcisse. Don't know how long it takes so that the change works? --LeFnake (talk) 14:09, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
@LeFnake: It does work in the articles. Kante4 (talk) 14:10, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
@Kante4: ok, I needed to update the corresponding module on French wiki, but it works now :-) --LeFnake (talk) 14:39, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
Thank you very much. Kante4 (talk) 14:40, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

EHF Champions League clubs performance comparison deletionEdit

There is an AfD for EHF Champions League clubs performance comparison. @Kante4, Boba 99, and Dellux mkd: Malo95 (talk) 07:23, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Simon SingerEdit

Dear handball enthusiasts:

Here's a draft that's in your area. Perhaps someone knowledgeable about handball would like to review it.—Anne Delong (talk) 22:16, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

@Anne Delong: This Project is about handball and not American handball therefore we are not able to help. Maybe the Wikipedia:WikiProject Squash is able to help because it's also a wall sport but I'm not sure. The best place would be Wikipedia:WikiProject Sport in my view. --Malo95 (talk) 09:00, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Malo95, thanks for taking the time to explain. I'm embarrassed to say I had never heard of this kind of handball, so I've learned something today. I will take your advice.—Anne Delong (talk) 12:56, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

West Germany in statisticsEdit

I saw that @Hyperion82: separate West Germany and Germany in some statistics. And other reverted this.

I think we should discuss this topic in general.

Points for separation:

Points against separation:

  • At the 2021WC profile of Germany, Russia, Serbia and Czech Republic, West Germany, USSR, Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia resp. are included in the history of the teams. In the opposite, Croatia and (North) Macedonia start in the 90s and don't have yugoslav record.
  • The programs of the field WC's they count the old WC of Germany to West Germany
  • In Germany they never separate West Germany and Germany in statistics only East Germany.

In my view we should separate West Germany and Germany, because most of the statistics of the IHF also do this. What are your thought @Kante4 and LeFnake:? --Malo95 (talk) 08:49, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello to everyone. I can to add information about Field Handball World Championships. IHF separates results of Germany and West Germany as it's possible to see at Page 17 - https://archive.ihf.info/upload/statistics/MWC_Stats.pdf . But in early 1950s, East Germany was not yet recognized as IHF's member. So, at the 1952 and 1955 World Championships German team de-facto consisted of West German players only. At 1959 World Championships participated unified Germany team consisted of players from West and East Germany. And at the next World Championships (1963 and 1966) there were two separate teams - West Germany and East Germany. --Hyperion82 (talk) 11:16, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
I agree that IHF point of view is not very clear on this topic although it's a very important one.
First, follwong Hyperion82 post, GDR has been recoginzed in 1956 (see Fascinations for thousands of years - Handball p. 36) but in 1958 and 1961, Germany still played with an unified team. GDR first appearance was in 1964.
Apart from this, in my point of view, I think that we should not consider Germany case only, but also USSR/Russia, Yugoslavia/Serbia and Czecoslovakia/Czech Republic which are similar cases (except that the former countries have divided but not unified)
considering the 2021 WC profiles of teams, IHF considers that Germany inherits West Germany, Russia USSR, Serbia Yugoslavia/Serbia-Montenegro and Czech Republic Czechoslovakia. In official website of 2017 WC (but I'm not sure that it can be considered as a reliable source), Facts and figures says that Germany (and Sweden) missed the final tournament just twice (1990, 1997) and History says Germany holds the record number of matches played at the World Championship (158 matches).
So, in my opinion, we should not separate West Germany and Germany. --LeFnake (talk) 16:08, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
But also special is that at the Germany page of the 2021WC they also count East Germany. This would mean that Germany has "two places" at the old WCs. I think the most important document are the medal tables which separate West Germany and Germany.--Malo95 (talk) 16:35, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
Unfortunately, IHF is not very reliable, just look at both archive and new website or how IHF world player of the year is handled... In my opinion, unless one can show a convincing argumentent/source, I think we should leave it at "In Germany they never separate West Germany and Germany in statistics only East Germany.".--LeFnake (talk) 14:02, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
Germany and West Germany were never seperated, just East Germany. So the statistics should be comined. Kante4 (talk) 14:07, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
This is totally incorrect. After WWII, German was de-facto separated into two different countries - West Germany and East Germany. And this statistics is not exactly about countries, it's about national teams who were even more different. Even IOC separates medals earned by athletes from West Germany and unified German team - https://www.olympic.org/federal-republic-of-germany-1950-1990-ger-since . So does IHF - https://archive.ihf.info/upload/PDF-Download/WomenWorldCh/medaltable.pdf . So does other international sport federation - like FIL/Internatanional Luge Federation (https://www.fil-luge.org/cdn/uploads/medaillenspiegel-wm-kb.pdf ). I understand position of Germans in this matter (as many Germans who grew up either in West or in East Germany feel connection with these non-existed national teams), but I sure that position of major international sport organization should have priority in this issue than position of national federations. For example, in Russia often combines Soviet and Russian medals while mentioning about historical results because many Russians who were born in Soviet Union doesn't think that Soviet team was something totally different for them. But IHF clearly states in their OFFICAIL BULLETEN: "Those countries which, for political reasons, no longer exist in this form today, such as the URS, FRG, GDR and TCH, are no longer taken into consideration in the All-Time Best Rankings. As precisely these federations determined events in world handball for decades too, however, they are listed separately in the following table". For now, I don't see any other IHF's source with other position in this issue. Yes, they mentioned about achievements of West and East German teams at the page about Germany national team but this special asterix (*) speaking that these former teams were different.

Nomination of Oxford University Handball Club for deletionEdit

 
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Oxford University Handball Club is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oxford University Handball Club until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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Hello. @Dancilaisfunny, Hyperion82, Zackmann08, Kante4, Almagestas, Disnihapoel, Dellux mkd, and LeFnake:

Th Article Oxford University Handball Club is for deletion. They argue that they are a university club and not notable. I think they are notable because they played twice in the EHF Challenge Cup. User:Xaverius and I found two articles where the club is presented and some more with mentions only.

Could you please write your opinion at the Afd and maybe you will discover more sources.

Could you please add Wikipedia:WikiProject Handball/Article alerts to your watch lists and could you please be more active at this discussions. Because at Afd normaly there are US and UK residents how doesn't now a lot of handball and they always say that this article is not notable.

Thank you for your help. Malo95 (talk) 06:33, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

What I'd say is that we need to change the notability criteria for handball.--Xaverius 11:29, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
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