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Korean Tour external link template edit

I'm thinking of creating a {{KoreanTour player}} template missing ID and not present in Wikidata. on the lines of the others at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Golf/Templates#External_link_templates. This would link through to http://kgt.co.kr/players/profile.aspx?man_code=nnnnnnnn , eg K. J. Choi would be http://kgt.co.kr/players/profile.aspx?man_code=00000190 . The only issue is that pages are in Korean but the "translate to English" in my Chrome browser is helpful, although occasionally obscure (eg height = 신장 is translated as kidney. The page contains a lot of good stuff. eg the second option (결과 = results) gives season by season results.

Full 2020-21 PGA Tour Schedule published edit

Noticed that the PGA Tour have published the full schedule for 2020-21 today [1].

2020 ANA Inspiration edit

I am wondering why no one has updated the details of the field in this LPGA Major after it was released on September 4. I have a link which lists the final field here: https://golfweek.usatoday.com/2020/09/04/ana-inspiration-major-field-105-dinah-shore/ Also the 2019 winner will not be competing in this year's event.

List of golf films edit

There is not a separate page and probably should be. Among sports (see List of sports films#Golf) golf seems one of the major sports without its own article. Anybody feel a personal call to create such a page, or fill it in once created? It could include fictional, documentary, and instructional entries. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:22, 28 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

Good article reassessment for Annika Sörenstam edit

Annika Sörenstam has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Schierbecker (talk) 04:02, 21 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi,
All results are here
Source:[1]
I placed the ref in the Professional wins section.
Ryder Cup controversy source also in place.
Regards, EEJB (talk) 11:40, 21 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

References

  1. ^ "Spelare, Annika Sörenstam, Samtliga tävlingsresultat i kronologisk ordning" [Player, Annika Sörenstam, All tournament results in chronological order] (in Swedish). Swedish Golf Federation and Golf Data AB. Retrieved 21 February 2024.

French International Amateur Championship edit

I've just overhauled this article with info from the FFG. The problem I have is this...

In 1994, Greg Chalmers apparently won the French Open Amateur Stroke Play (an event reduced to 54 holes held at Golf National), but the FFG have the winner this year as Jesper Kjærbye. French WP (fr:Coupe Murat) has scores back to 1982 but no source.

Does anyone know if the Coupe Murat (held at Chantilly) and the French Open Amateur Stroke Play were separate tournaments for a period of time (or in some years), or is the event Chalmers won something else altogether (it seems to have has a national team component [2])? wjematherplease leave a message... 17:01, 1 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi,
By the way, Francis Oumet, winner in 1914, was American, wasn't he? His father was a French-Canadian immigrant, but FO was born in Massachusetts. Regards EEJB (talk) 17:21, 1 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
Indeed. Thanks for spotting that. wjematherplease leave a message... 17:25, 1 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

David Graham edit

I,ve been trying to sharpen up the David Graham article. Still not very good. Strange that a HoFer had such a silly article with extreme details on his early career and just briefly description of his major wins and the wrong birthplace.

Well, one thing is still confusing: On the external sites World Golf Hall of Fame, PGA Tour, Texas Golf Hall of Fame, Sport Australia Hall of Fame, For the good of the Game and Golfweek 20150711 Graham gets credit for having won golf tournaments on six continents including South Africa and that should be the 1977 SA PGA Ch'ship. Graham says himself that he is proud of that and it's mentioned in the book "David Graham: From Ridicule to Acclaim" by Russell James, chapter 7.

I can't anywhere find a source confirming any South African win for Graham and he certainly not won the 1977 SA PGA, which John Bland did. Anyone knows something on this? Regards, EEJB (talk) 17:18, 12 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

SA PGA Championship could be referring to the South Australian PGA Championship, but the 1977 event was won by David Galloway. So really not sure about that one. Jimmymci234 (talk) 17:27, 12 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
For South America wins he has 1971 Caracas Open in (Ven), 1980 Heublein Open (Brazil) and 1970 World Cup in Argentina.Tewapack (talk) 17:39, 12 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
If I'm counting down the leaderboard correctly, Graham finished in a tie for 20th place in the 1977 Lexington PGA Championship. Wouldn't be the first time HoFs have taken their info direct from the Player (pun intended) without verification and ended up being inaccurate. wjematherplease leave a message... 18:01, 12 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
The 1978 PGA Tour Media Guide [3] doesn't mention it, although the 1977 Australian Open is mentioned. However it does get in the 1979 edition [4]. So could be in 1978, I suppose. Maybe a pro-am or something similar? Nigej (talk) 18:05, 12 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
Unfortunately the PGAT have often accepted what the players report, without verification, so their media guides can be also unreliable. Yes, if I were to guess, I'd say it's probably a pro-am played in connection with the South African PGA in 1977. wjematherplease leave a message... 18:20, 12 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
According to the book by Russell James the South Africa title was won "a month or two" before the 1977 Australian Open. That is the 1977-78 season. Probably a pro-am ahead of the S Afr PGA, in which Graham obviously took part. So let's leave it there until evidence is shown. Thank you! EEJB (talk) 20:14, 12 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Yearly individual Players Championship articles edit

I see we have an article for the 2024 Players Championship, which begins tomorrow and has no detail in it. I was thinking though, do we still think that these individual tournament articles for the Players Champ are warranted? I get the sense that interest for this tournament is waning as time goes on (alongside with most of pro golf at this time in general). The tour have also lost a lot of backbone regarding their "5th major" claims given the strength of field. Obviously we don’t know exactly what the future holds, but personally I would be happy to do away with the individual articles (as we have done with the BMW PGA Championship). Interested to hear everybody’s thoughts. Jimmymci234 (talk) 13:09, 13 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Since there are pages on all of The Players tournaments it is probably consistent to continue with the yearly articles. As an "almost major" the Players usually has had notable coverage in media so it seems the only way to demote it on Wikipedia would be if the sources disappear and the tournament's notability is downgraded by the PGA and public sentiment. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:21, 13 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
I was intending to add the field but couldn't find a complete list of the entry requirements. It still has a special status in the OWGR system, with a guaranteed 80 points, otherwise it doesn't seem so special at the moment. Can't help feeling that the PGA Tour has shot itself in the foot by excluding the LIV golfers. Nigej (talk) 14:19, 13 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Nigej this may be of use [5] Jimmymci234 (talk) 16:43, 13 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
Not convinced its accurate. This [[6]] has a "Top 70 on Prior Year's FedExCup Points List through the Playoffs" category which seems to be new. Nigej (talk) 17:23, 13 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
It's really a distinction without a difference, since all of the top 70 through the Playoffs will be well inside the top 125 after the fall. The handbook (pages 28–29) only lists the top 125 category. Inside the Field lists the top 70 category, and has the categories in quite a different order from the handbook, which is another unimportant distinction. pʰeːnuːmuː →‎ pʰiːnyːmyː → ‎ɸinimi → ‎fiɲimi 19:20, 14 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
It's ok with yearly articles on The Players, but in my opinion historic senior majors, women's majors, senior women's majors and men's and women's amateur majors have higher priority. Regards, EEJB (talk) 17:03, 14 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Team appearances for the GOATs? edit

Why are there not any team appearances sections in the Jack Nicklaus and Tiger Woods articles? Regards EEJB (talk) 18:49, 31 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Someone decided to put them in List of career achievements by Jack Nicklaus and List of career achievements by Tiger Woods instead. There was an AfD recently at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of career achievements by Jack Nicklaus which may be of interest. Nigej (talk) 14:29, 1 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thank you EEJB (talk) 16:57, 1 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Notability edit

I am struggling a little bit with this draft for LPGA player Gurleen Kaur. She made the cut at the U.S. Open (although she finished 66th) which would qualify under WP:NGOLF, but I cannot find sources that I feel would constitute significant coverage. There are some references from her college and some local television coverage, but mainly just mentions and nothing in-depth. What would be the project's take on notability with this one as I don't want to move to mainspace if it is likely to get deleted? CNMall41 (talk) 19:57, 8 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

It there isn't sufficient coverage to meet WP:GNG, then we shouldn't have an article. As a minimum, per WP:SPORTCRIT, anything in draft needs to have one GNG qualifying source before being moved to mainspace. Also, anything relating to non-elite level sport (including school/college) would need to be particularly outstanding to justify an article on that basis alone. wjematherplease leave a message... 12:53, 10 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Got it. What I am saying is she does qualify under WP:NGOLF (presumably notable) based on her making the cut in the U.S. Open. I am wondering if the references used would be considered significant coverage from those who regularly work in the project. Don't want to waste anyone's time with a deletion discussion, cleanup, etc. Hope that clarifies. --CNMall41 (talk) 00:10, 12 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
There is no longer a presumption of notability under NSPORT guidelines, only an indication the significant coverage is likely to exist. Also, NGOLF needs tightening as it's become clear that significant coverage does not actually exist for many players who make the cut in majors or play a small number of full season(s) on tour without making an impression. Personally, I'd say the references in the article are not enough – the two most detailed are not independent of the subject – so more is needed. wjematherplease leave a message... 11:55, 12 April 2024 (UTC)Reply