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An RfD request

The page Clarence Odbody, about the guardian angel from the 1946 film It's a Wonderful Life and the 1990 film Clarence, is under discussion for deletion at this link if project members would like to make a comment or assist on improving the page. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:48, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Proposal to merge 3 character articles into Mighty Morphin Power Rangers

A proposal has been made to merge Bulk and Skull, Adam Park and Tommy Oliver into Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. Please join the discussion at Talk:Mighty Morphin Power Rangers!—A L T E R C A R I   16:30, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

No description

Asha'man redirects to List of Wheel of Time characters but has no entry there. It appears 31 times, always in the description of a character; e.g., the very first entry:

Logain Ablar: Previously a False Dragon; gentled by the White Tower and Healed by Nynaeve al'Meara; later a sworn ally to Rand al'Thor and a leading Asha'man. In A Memory of Light, Logain becomes the new M'Hael of the Black Tower.

See Talk:List of Wheel of Time characters#Asha'man. --Thnidu (talk) 20:09, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Olivia Pope GAR

Olivia Pope, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Aoba47 (talk) 02:42, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

Batwoman

Batwoman, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. AIRcorn (talk) 23:42, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

WikiProject collaboration notice from the Portals WikiProject

The reason I am contacting you is because there are one or more portals that fall under this subject, and the Portals WikiProject is currently undertaking a major drive to automate portals that may affect them.

Portals are being redesigned.

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On April 8th, 2018, an RfC ("Request for comment") proposal was made to eliminate all portals and the portal namespace. On April 17th, the Portals WikiProject was rebooted to handle the revitalization of the portal system. On May 12th, the RfC was closed with the result to keep portals, by a margin of about 2 to 1 in favor of keeping portals.

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Naming conventions

Should Dwayne Cleofis Wayne be called Dwayne Wayne instead? Dwanyewest (talk) 14:48, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Should Stinkor (MOTU) be Stinkor as that would be more appropriate. Dwanyewest (talk) 15:12, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Any guidelines?

Hello, I have a question:
Are there any guidelines for writing articles about fictional characters? We seems to have numerous articles on them, yet (being involved in a row over whether one such has 'real world notability') I'm hard pressed to find anything relevant. What exactly justifies articles on, say, Batman, or Sarah Sidle, or Captain Flint, but not (as in my case) Italian detective Guido Brunetti? Any offers? Swanny18 (talk) 18:58, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

List of imaginary characters in fiction

I started List of imaginary characters in fiction and wish the lead could be better. Could someone please help? Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:45, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Amy Rose for good article reassessment

Amy Rose, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. JOEBRO64 11:36, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Merger discussion for Eric Forman, Michael Kelso, Steven Hyde, and others[a]

Articles which may be of interest to members of this project—Eric Forman, Michael Kelso, Steven Hyde, and others—have been proposed for merging with List of That '70s Show characters. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. —A L T E R C A R I   14:50, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2018 December 25#Non-free Dad's Army character images

  You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2018 December 25#Non-free Dad's Army character images. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:36, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

A new newsletter directory is out!

A new Newsletter directory has been created to replace the old, out-of-date one. If your WikiProject and its taskforces have newsletters (even inactive ones), or if you know of a missing newsletter (including from sister projects like WikiSpecies), please include it in the directory! The template can be a bit tricky, so if you need help, just post the newsletter on the template's talk page and someone will add it for you.

– Sent on behalf of Headbomb. 03:11, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress

Greetings! I have recently relisted a requested move discussion at Talk:Cutty-sark (witch)#Requested move 1 July 2019, regarding a page relating to this WikiProject. Discussion and opinions are invited. Thanks, Sangdeboeuf (talk) 21:07, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

confusion of Marvel characters Nebula and Nova

Please see Talk:Nebula (comics)#Nova? Nebula?. These two names seem to be confused in one paragraph. --Thnidu (talk) 21:37, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Ethnicity

Is it fair to assume (in broad strokes) that a character in a film or television is the same ethnicity as the actor who playes them? I'm asking mostly for categorization.★Trekker (talk) 16:58, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

  • No, that would be silly. The character and the actor are not to be confused. How tall is Dr. Who? Is M from James Bond male or female? We take what the creator says about the character, and would mention ethnicity only in the very few instances where it has been deemed by the author to be relevant. Captainllama (talk) 00:10, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
I said "in broad strokes". It's not remotly silly to assume that a character played by a black actor is, you know, black.★Trekker (talk) 10:25, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
"It's not remotly silly to assume that a character played by a black actor is, you know, black"
With respect, it absolutely is silly to assume that. We are told what we need to know about a character so there is no need to make assumptions. Why do so? Characters are created, actors play characters. They are not the same thing and to conflate the two is always folly. Actors play across type all the time. Do we assume the character is bald, gay, and lives in Paris just because that describes the actor? Of course not.
Sometimes it matters. Virgil Tibbs is black, Charlie Chan is Asian, To Kill a Mockingbird would make no sense if Tom Robinson's race wasn't mentioned. But is Jean-Luc Picard a white starship captain? Is it useful to categorise him as such? Is Felix Leiter a black friend of James Bond? How about Achilles?
No, stick with what we are explicitly told, extrapolating from the actor and assuming to apply it to the character is original research, however broadly you stroke it.
Captainllama (talk) 17:23, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Rose Tico "Portrayed by" and "Voiced by" infobox fields

Seeking opinions for a WP:CONSENSUS at this discussion at the Rose Tico page, which I've recently expanded and nominated for GA. The issue at hand is whether the actress' name is needed in the "Voiced by" field of the character infobox in addition to the "Portrayed by" field. This is a live-action performance so the "Voiced by" field was not originally filled in, but an IP user keeps re-adding it. — Hunter Kahn 12:03, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

List of Wheel of Time characters

This project is mentioend on Talk:List of Wheel of Time characters . So I ask my question here: how come major characters of the The Wheel of Time are all redirected to this page which is just a list of uninformative minimal descriptions? Characters like Rand al'Thor, Matrim Cauthon, Perrin Aybara and probably a handful of others deserve their own page.

Apprantly these characters used to have their own page, but those pages are deleted. Are the deletion and the redirect done as part of this project? Is there a log of the discussion that led to the deltion avaliable somewhere? If not, what is the best way to change the situation? Hg03u (talk) 21:33, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:Infobox character and WAF

I am reaching out to your project because your project may have an interest in this discussion: Template talk:Infobox character § Removing parameters regarding WP:WAF. Izno (talk) 16:18, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Della Duck standalone article proposal

I’m reaching out because this impacts a page within the scope of your project:

I've created a standalone Della Duck article draft at Draft:Della Duck. The first AfC submission was declined because there was not yet a discussion or consensus on the Talk:Duck family (Disney) page about whether a Della Duck standalone article is appropriate. If you have time and interest, please join the discussion on that page and help form a consensus on the proposal. Danazar (talk) 00:38, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Create simple infobox for fictional character and way to easily understand if a article is about fictional character.

Their is no way on Wikipedia to create a article for fictional character from TV, Films. How to create article for fictional character? Kundan Ravindra Dhayade (talk) 10:37, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Have you used Template:Infobox character? Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 15:52, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

MCU characters name change

There is discussion on whether the new article Characters of the Marvel Cinematic Universe should be name changed. Feel free to discuss on talk page. Jhenderson 777 17:30, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Gandalf and fictional elderly characters

There is a discussion about whether or not Category:Fictional elderly characters belongs at Gandalf. Editors are invited to comment. The discussion can be seen here: Talk:Gandalf#"Fictional elderly character". Thanks, Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 18:58, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Nomination of Mango (Saturday Night Live) for deletion

 

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Mango (Saturday Night Live) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mango (Saturday Night Live) (2nd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Right cite (talk) 22:52, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Steve Rogers and time travel

There is currently a discussion regarding whether the category Category:Time travelers should be included on Steve Rogers (Marvel Cinematic Universe). Editors are welcomed to join the discussion at Talk:Steve Rogers (Marvel Cinematic Universe)#Time travel category. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 20:16, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Ennis Del Mar or Ennis del Mar

There's currently a discussion on the appropriate spelling of Ennis Del Mar that could benefit from additional opinions here - Talk:Ennis Del Mar#Ennis del Mar (not Del Mar). Thanks. DonIago (talk) 01:57, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Sammy the Shunter AfD

Sammy the Shunter has been nominated for deletion. Mjroots (talk) 12:28, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Video games characters and superheroes

There is a discussion whether video games characters with superpowers should be considered superheroes or not. The discussion is here: Talk:List of Italian and Italian-American superheroes and villains. Thanks in advance.--Carnby (talk) 09:20, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

FAR listing of Nikki and Paulo

I have nominated Nikki and Paulo for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Femke Nijsse (talk) 11:38, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Rick O'Connel

I spotted that Rick O'Connell redirects to Mummy Franchise characters. But, he is the lead protagonist in all 3 movies of the series. So shouldn't there be an additional article. I myself have created such articles like Dr Smolder Bravestone, which was reviewed and accepted. But the Jack Dawson article was deleted. Also, Imhotep (The Mummy) is an article on the lead antagonist of the series. While Imhotep is in 3 movies and 1 Tv show, Rick is in 3 movies. As I have presented my view, please comment as you are an experienced editor. Thank you.--Atlantis77177 (talk) 06:03, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Atlantis77177. Whether or not a fictional character should have a standalone page will depend on coverage about that specific character. If a character has appeared in multiple works, it can be presumed that it could be covered beyond each individual work's article. There could be a list of characters at the franchise article, there could be a list article focusing on the characters, and there could be a standalone article for a well-covered character. The possibility of any of these needs to be demonstrated by coverage about the character or characters. Looking at List of The Mummy (film series) characters, unfortunately it does not appear very encyclopedic. Compare it to something like List of Smallville characters.
Regarding Rick O'Connell, you would need to compile significant coverage about the character across multiple works. Unfortunately, I am not finding that Dr. Smolder Bravestone warrants a standalone article either because the coverage does not indicate that character details could be covered outside the franchise article or a list article of the franchise characters. BD2412, it seems like you've done work on numerous character articles. Do you have any thoughts about any of these matters? Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 20:37, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
The question of whether a fictional character should have an article is actually not that much different from the question of whether a real person should have an article. The key inquiry is whether there are substantial reliable sources about the character, and whether there is coverage sufficiently independent of the work in which the character appears to justify a separate article. BD2412 T 22:31, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Plot

I created the articles Dr. Smolder Bravestone, Ruby Roundhouse, Mouse Finbar, Seaplane McDonough and Professor Sheldon Oberon. It was suggested that the plot(the character's events in the movie) was discouraged in the article.

For my defense- articles like Harry Potter (character) and Imhotep (The Mummy) have their own article with a plot sequence. Please give your opinion. Thank you.--Atlantis77177 (talk) 13:12, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Per WP:WAF#Characters and other fictional elements, "When characters or other elements from fictional works are notable for their own standalone article, it is acceptable and often necessary to include a narration of that element's role in the events of the work(s) they are a part of. However, such narration must employ out-of-universe style and include real-world descriptors." However, when we look at the policy of WP:PLOT, it says, "Wikipedia articles should not be... Summary-only descriptions of works. Wikipedia treats creative works (including, for example, works of art or fiction, video games, documentaries, research books or papers, and religious texts) in an encyclopedic manner, discussing the development, design, reception, significance, and influence of works in addition to concise summaries of those works."
I think it is appropriate to consider a fictional character to be similar to a work of fiction. In this vein, that means that an article about a character should cover its "development, design, reception, significance, and influence" more than covering its narration. I don't think that if a character has appeared in a trilogy that we need 700 words times three films dumped into the character's article. The narration about the character should be more concise than that. Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 14:08, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Lifeform (comics)

 

The article Lifeform (comics) has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

non-notable fictional character that appeared in one story across four annuals 30 years ago; no secondary-source coverage.

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. JHunterJ (talk) 17:42, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Rick O'Connell

I request you to please visit Rick O'Connell to rate it as-per WP:FCHAR quality scale.(even though it will probably be start-class)--Atlantis77177 (talk) 05:22, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Brian O'Conner

Please visit Brian O'Conner and check out the appearance section. I was informed that big plots are not encouraged, and I felt (in some sections), that the entire plot is given, just by giving the character in question a bit more importance. I made the same error once, so just trying to help out. It's my opinion and no harm intended to anyone. Please ping me when you reply.--Atlantis77177 (talk) 09:48, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

Dr. Smolder Bravestone

Could someone from this WikiProject take a look at Dr. Smolder Bravestone and re-assess it? It was given an assessment here, but the editor who did so was subsequently blocked as a WP:SOCK; so, it might be better for someone else to take a look at the article and assess it, especially since it's tagged with {{Cleanup rewrite}}. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:56, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

I do not find the character notable enough for a standalone article. I would redirect to Jumanji (franchise). Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 13:45, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Is this the right place to request the creation of a page?

Can I request that a page is made for Mipha from the 2017 video game Breath of The Wild? If not, would it be within the policies for me to create this page myself?

--Zora Champion Mipha (talk) 19:04, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi, it looks like Mipha is covered at Characters of The Legend of Zelda. Regarding the policies, I am not sure if the character would be notable enough for a standalone article. See WP:WAF#Fictional characters and other elements for more. It would need to be a substantial amount of significant coverage for a standalone article. I would also check with WT:VG about this too, as I believe they have a few Good and Featured Articles about video-game characters. Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 19:46, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
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