Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Equine/Archive 10

Just stumbled across...

...this interesting article in Science Direct. Montanabw, White Arabian Filly and any others who may be interested in horse breeding and the process of animal domestication. I have not read it in its entirety but will as soon as I finish another FYI on the article Animal husbandry which is up for GA Review. They totally forgot to include the equine world of animal husbandry. ^{Atsme📞📧} 15:41, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Huh, interesting. It talked about how there used to be a lot more stallions than now, but didn't discuss the reasons for the lack of studs in the modern horse world--many people are scared of them, some of them are hard to handle, boarding stables often won't accept them, etc. There's also the "you're killing animals by breeding" agenda that has been pushed to a ridiculous extent in the dog world and to some extent in the horse world. Personally, I don't believe it's the fault of the breeders but of the people who buy an animal unsuited for what they want and then dump it. White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 18:48, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I have the full text of the study, if anyone wants to send me an email. There's a second study out, I think this year, that suggests that almost all European breeds trace back about 700 years to just a few mostly oriental stallions (other than a few of the Northern European breeds like the Icelandics and Fjords) -- and then, we also have this segregation to one or two stallions thousands of years farther back. Because almost all modern breeds actually trace to ONE Y-DNA line (there haven't been a lot of studies done on landraces, but there might be a second line in China...), and because we still have never domesticated the Przewalski horse, my guess is that because whatever mutation allowed equus ferus caballus to be domesticated did not exist in very many animals at first. Unlike today, when mares go to the stallions for live cover, until the invention of modern transportation, the stallions went to the mares. So, the stallions who had desired traits -- including being tame enough to safely handle (!) -- went to the mares, not vice-versa. Hence, just one stallion and his descendants traveling from culture to culture, passing along the "domesticatable" gene -- whatever it was, would make sense. Montanabw^(talk) 19:52, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

US or UK English for non-English breed articles?

Question for the collective wisdom. While the guidelines of WP:ENGVAR are standard and we don't need to reinvent the wheel, what is the sense of folks here on use of UK or US English (colour/color, draught/draft) for the horse breed articles where the actual breed isn't either one? In some cases, MOS:STRONGNAT will work (such as for horses from third world nations that were former British or American colonies/possessions, as an example -- Kenyan animals UK, Filipino animals, US). In other cases, MOS:RETAIN will help, but not always. My timing is because several articles written originally with US English underwent a much-needed copyvio cleanup to remove content that was part of a big WP:CCI, but the new content added to them is now in British English. I honestly don't really care one way or the other, but where the breed is French, or Japanese, or whatever, should we just defer to the lead editor and leave it be or should we try to reach some kind of default? Montanabw^(talk) 21:41, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

• comment - MOS:STRONGNAT should prevail as it brings consistency to the articles. ^{Atsme📞📧} 22:49, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

OK, I assume that editor is me. The CCI is Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/Horsecanter, and is complete other than some revdeletions and checking some IP edits.

Unless WP:TIES applies (UK for Thoroughbred, US for Standardbred, Indian for Zaniskari and so on), we follow the language variant established in the page, so that's what I do. In a situation where all body text has been removed and hidden in the history because of copyright violations, I possibly don't always worry that much about it, and I may at times have simply written in the language I learnt at school. I know that in a couple of pages where the page title used US spelling (Dutch Draft and Soviet Heavy Draft, at least), I made an effort to conform to that; there could have been some slips, which anyone is welcome to correct. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 23:37, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Horses and eclipse

OK, this has nothing to do with Wikipedia (on second thought, maybe we could make an article called Animals in the 2017 eclipse) but I'm curious. What are the other horse owners in the project going to do with their horses in the upcoming eclipse? Do you: •Leave them in the barn? •Leave them in the pasture? •Buy a pair of eclipse glasses, take out the lenses and tape them to the sides of a flymask? I am just curious. Right now I'm planning to just leave my horse in his pasture. He doesn't go around staring at the sun every day, so I don't think he will during the eclipse. We are supposed to get 97% totality here. He is the most inquisitive, getting-into-stuff thing I've seen since the era of the pet raccoons ended (a lot of people here used to have them!) so it seems kind of mean to make him miss out on the only eclipse he will ever see by keeping him inside. By the way, I was also going to alert the project that I will not be online at all tomorrow because I have a wedding to go to. It's a country-western wedding and I have a feeling it will be either really good or an epic disaster, and if it's funny I might disregard the talk guidelines for once and post a recap on my talk. White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 21:58, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

I'm in Central Illinois (looking like 95% here) and don't really plan to do anything special. My 7 should be fine - even if they are nosy Arabians. They don't usually stare at the sun so I'm pretty sure they won't during the eclipse (which is only going to be partial here anyway). It's pretty moot anyway - I'll be traveling to Minnesota so anything I do will have to be doable by our horse-sitter (and housemate) who is okay with horses but not nearly as seasoned as I am. So .. yeah, not worrying about it. Ealdgyth - Talk 23:45, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

I think I will be doing the same thing. If anybody is wondering the wedding was ok except two bridesmaids acted...um...somewhat inappropriately while walking down the aisle with the groomsmen, and the music somehow got turned on at the wrong time (one of the songs was like a pickup-in-a-bar thing, which is bizarre because nobody in the family drinks. I've never even seen a wet wedding). Takeaway, the perfect Pinterest barn wedding is overrated. 😉 White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 22:12, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

I left town and didn't worry about mine in the least; as Ealdgyth says, horses don't usually stare at the sun anyway. There were three horses in a pasture where I was watching the eclipse in Wyoming. They sort of went "meh?" and appeared to doze off -- except for looking at all the silly people yelling and shouting during totality! LOL on the western wedding, WAF! Montanabw^(talk) 23:43, 3 September 2017 (UTC)

Cool new article, y'all!

Pack Horse Library Project. Tagged for WPEQ. Very cool! Montanabw^(talk) 19:25, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

Horse Showmanship Rules Regarding Equipment

I just edited the equipment section in the horse showmanship page. I added some details about the type of halters allowed. According to the AQHA showmanship rules, all the halter exceeding 4 mm of diameter are allowed. So if you have a rope halter, a flat nylon halter or a flat leather halter you're allowed to show. --CamilleLC (talk) 13:07, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Metropolitan Museum of Art Weekly Challenge and The Horse Fair

We've chosen Rosa Bonheur's The Horse Fair as the first-ever Metropolitan Museum of Art Weekly Challenge for the coming week, (starting today!) and I'd like to invite you WikiProject Equine folks to become involved. I don't know how much artworks have been a WikiProject focus for you before, but this painting seems like a particularly relevant one with an interesting history.--Pharos (talk) 18:36, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

I don't suppose this includes photographic art, does it? ^{Atsme📞📧} 23:24, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

American Saddlebred stuff

I just approved Ellen Susman, an AfC candidate, and notice in her bio that she showed American Saddlebreds. She owns/shows CH The Cat Walk and won some Ladies Five-Gaited Championships if anyone is interested. Ellen's late sister, Carol Spencer Mitchell authored the book, Danger Pay: Memoir of a Photojournalist in the Middle East, 1984-1994 (Focus on American History Series). See her sister's obit. I posted notice of the latter on Women In Red. ^{Atsme📞📧} 00:30, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

I may do an article on the horse if I get time. Right now I'm working on a draft for Redd Crabtree (Saddlebred trainer) and another draft on a TWH trainer, Buddy Dick. After that I'll probably do a joint article for Redd's parents Helen and Charles Crabtree. White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 23:04, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

We already have Helen Crabtree, though it's a stub. She definitely warranted her own article independent of her husband due to her tremendous influence as a Saddle Seat equitation coach (as she literally wrote the book... I could scan images from the 70s edition I own...). We could mention him as "Mr. Crabtree" and discuss their breeding operation... but she's the famous one! LOL! Montanabw^(talk) 05:40, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

I had never seen her article before. I added it to the Saddlebred breeders and trainers cat so it's easier to find. I will probably expand in a few days after her son's article is live. It looks like it'll be easier to leave what's there as a lead and just add more below it. Her husband can have a subsection in her article and if he won a lot of Championships or something it can be split later. White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 23:29, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Pinging project members

Discussion of interest to members of WPEQ: Talk:Riding_aids#Requested_move_12_October_2017

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Montanabw (talk • contribs) 05:35, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Domestic animal breed page names

I have started a discussion about page naming conventions for domestic animal breeds at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dogs#Domestic animal breed page names and invite other contributors to join. Cavalryman V31 (talk) 06:48, 2 December 2017 (UTC).

GA candidate and a question

I and Dawnleelynn have nominated Eternal Sun for GA review, and are hoping somebody will pick it up pretty fast. He was a Quarter Horse who raced and then became a show horse and stud. Also, I added a sentence to the Montana Silversmiths article that Miss Rodeo America is one of their partners (she models for them in their holiday catalog and does a tour of their plant every year--I don't have the links, but they have a lot about it in their blog) and found out we apparently don't have an article on MRA. Am I just not finding it, or do we not have one at all? I think it's definitely notable enough and can write at least a stub. White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 23:30, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Went ahead and did a quick stub creation of Miss Rodeo America. Feel free to expand or link if you can find an article that mentions it that I missed. I probably missed a few. I'm going to try to get at least a partial list of winners up today or tomorrow. White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 23:09, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

"Formating" problem

Hello. I've tried the fr-to-en translation tool for a horse article, Vésuve de Brekka, resulting in an awful result. Don't know how to fix that, sorry. --Tsaag Valren (talk) 12:53, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Partially fixed! --Tsaag Valren (talk) 20:43, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

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Aeos

Does this project have any opinion on how to proceed with DRAFT:Aeos (mythology) ? -- 70.52.11.217 (talk) 05:32, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

Skowronek

Please watchlist Talk:Skowronek (horse). There has been a long, slow edit war. The editors are now starting to use the talk page, and could use some views at some point. Many thanks. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 07:59, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

I've commented, but the guy who's insisting he wasn't a real, purebred Arabian horse is fighting a losing battle. It's not even hard to find purebred Arabians for sale that trace back to him if you go back far enough in the pedigree. White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 23:25, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, White Arabian Filly!! Your input there is golden. It is a real mess, and your input could really help settle things. Three cheers for you!!!! Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:08, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

I'm there, and THANK YOU ANNA for posting this! The "Skowronek was not a purebred" is a longstanding obscure fringe theory in the Arabian world; there's a small group of "purity" obsessives who argue that only 2% of all registered Arabians are actually "pure". Sigh... Montanabw^(talk) 18:56, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

February 14th

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Glossaries

Are there any glossaries (stand-alone or embedded) of horse-related terms other than Glossary of equestrian terms? I'm not finding any yet.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  04:57, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Yes, SMcCandlish, we have Glossary of North American horse racing. I'm not aware of any others. White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 00:04, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

As noted at the top of the glossary article and the horse racing glossary article, we also have many articles on specific topics are often glossary-like in nature, why do you ask? Montanabw^(talk) 17:59, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Taking requests for watermark removals

One example of my work.

I am taking requests to remove watermarks from any horse related photos. I'm especially happy to help with images that would be very valuable but cannot be used until they are retouched. I have recently come into doing more ambitious removals so please don't feel shy about asking for "too much". Here is the gallery of my retouching jobs this far. See file version histories for the original versions for comparison. --Pitke (talk) 14:20, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Wikiproject Vital Articles

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Same breed?

Are the Yorkshire Grey Horse and the Yorkshire Grey Horse the same breed? The latter lists the former’s name as an alternate name. Cavalryman V31 (talk) 14:14, 15 October 2018 (UTC).

The wikilinks go to the same article - did you find an alternate/modified name or spelling of it? ^{Atsme✍🏻📧} 18:41, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Wait, I see what you were referring to - Yorkshire Coach Horse. No they are not the same. The Yorkshire Grey Horse is a grey Shire whereas the Yorkshire Coach Horse is a Cleveland Bay or hybrid of a Cleveland bay. I haven’t studied the articles but at first glance, they need a workover. ^{Atsme✍🏻📧} 18:50, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Haha, yes I had meant to type Yorkshire Coach Horse, one shouldn’t edit whilst exhausted (I was up in the middle of the night trying to soothe a crying baby). I didn’t think a three part CB would be reliably grey, thank you. Kind regards, Cavalryman V31 (talk) 20:13, 15 October 2018 (UTC).

Image change

I changed the project image in the userbox to represent a bit more diversity in horse breeds/breed types. If there are any objections, I won't mind one bit if you revert it. ^{Atsme✍🏻📧} 02:40, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Jerry Frankel (producer)

Just a quick note to say I have created Jerry Frankel (producer).Zigzig20s (talk) 10:13, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Good job - have one question for you on the TP of the article. ^{Atsme✍🏻📧} 13:41, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Merge proposal

Input is requested at Talk:Bucking horse#Merger proposal. Thank you. ^{Atsme✍🏻📧} 03:01, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Capitalization of names of standardized breeds

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Writing about breeds

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Good job, Mac!! Thank you! ^{Atsme✍🏻📧} 03:00, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. I'd written so much to help two particular editors it seemed silly to not essay-ize it.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  01:32, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Categories for individual horses

It seems to me that Category:Arabian and part-Arabian horses is too full of loose items (69 at last count, which is difficult to scan), and would do better with more subcats. At the moment there are two, Category:Arabian breeders and trainers (23 entries, good) and Category:Arabian racehorses (only four, arguably too small for a subcat anyway, and three of the animals are better known for their standing at stud than the races per se).

Some time ago on Category_talk:Arabian_and_part-Arabian_horses, I proposed creating Category:Individual Arabian and part-Arabian horses. I would then move scores of the loose items into it, leaving a manageable list of articles other than named horses and people: organis/zations, farms/studs, shows, races, etc.

This would be parallel to existing subcats such as Category:Individual Connemaras, Category:Individual warmbloods, and Category:Individual Tennessee Walking Horses. Some breeds are even more specific, e.g. Category:American Quarter Horse sires and Category:American Quarter Horse broodmares, but I don't think we need to go there just yet.

There has been no response to my original proposal, I suppose because it is a low-traffic page. Any objections before I go ahead with Category:Individual Arabian and part-Arabian horses? --Carbon Caryatid (talk) 19:17, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

• Support - makes scenes to me. Cavalryman V31 (talk) 07:36, 7 January 2019 (UTC).
• I wish someone would have pinged my talk page on this... I see a need for individually named horses by breed, but not more than that. The racehorses one is needed because it cross-references to WikiProject Horse racing. So it needs to be kept even if small. Montanabw^(talk) 20:37, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Done. --Carbon Caryatid (talk) 21:45, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

• Looks pretty good, be sure to add breeders to the horse farms category where appropriate (not always needed, but on the ones where we have a biography and a farm together, like Sheila Varian -- but probably not, say Wayne Newton... I think I got those... Montanabw^(talk) 00:16, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Horse rescue image

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Portal:Equus (genus) nominated for deletion

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Merger discussion input needed

Request received to Merge Bronco into Bucking horse. Proposer's reason: Redundant, accidental WP:Content fork. This needs expert input, please help as the request is several months old. Merge discussion was requested by Atsme, on 2 December 2018 (UTC) >>>Discussion is Here<<<. Thanks, GenQuest ^{"Talk to Me"} 13:27, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Two slightly different concepts. I'll go take a look at it. Montanabw^(talk) 16:57, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Can Chickasaw horses being considered as a separate breed ?

Hello ! I've found these sources for the french article : w:fr:Chickasaw_(cheval). There's a DAD-IS separate item, and a CAB International separate entry (2016). --Tsaag Valren (talk) 18:11, 23 January 2019 (UTC) Tsaag Valren, yes, the Chickasaw is a distinct breed, probably of Colonial Spanish Horse origins. See any sources authored by Sponenberg. Montanabw^(talk) 17:01, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks to you Montanabw. We just need photos, now. This could be a special quest for american wikihorselovers! --Tsaag Valren (talk) 17:18, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Tsaag Valren, in en.wiki, see Florida Cracker Horse. The Chickasaw is either a) an extinct ancestor of this breed, or b) another name for this breed. Montanabw^(talk) 21:53, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

British agricultural and horse shows

I've noticed content is very light for a lot of these events, even olympia is a couple of sentences long. Just going through my photos and trying to update text and add more photos in, would probably be good to get a push on this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lady-shirakawa (talk • contribs) 22:21, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

If you create new articles, ping us here and we can help you with them. Only do the very biggest events, though. Another idea is to create a list See WP:NOTABILITY. Montanabw^(talk) 17:02, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

I've got a bit of a list on my talk page, mostly for women articles to write but does include a lot of women riders. E.g. Simone Blum is missing an article?! As far as shows go: I was just thinking the shows with FEI level classes or a very big attendance. E.g. HOYS, Olympia, badminton, hickstead, The Royal agricultural shows or ones with a particularly ancient charter. Where would it best to create a list? Lady-shirakawa (talk) 13:06, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

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Horse halls of fame category deletion

There is a movement to delete most, if not all, hall of fame inductee categories underway. Currently, there is a category discussion going on regarding the AQHA and NHCA categories here: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 April 27#Equestrian halls of fame in Texas. I have located at least six more horse halls of fame including one for Thoroughbreds that could come up for delete/listify in the future. You are welcome to comment here. However, more importantly is the discussion of the halls of fame in general that was opened up here recently: Wikipedia talk:Categories for discussion#Hall of Fame categories. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dawnleelynn (talk • contribs) 23:54, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Gene names

Every single research paper I've seen on horse genetics has the genes in uppercase, for instance TBX3 in this paper. However, this style guide for WP: WikiProject Molecular and Cell Biology says non-human orthologs of human genes should be written as, for instance, Stx17 and not STX17. Should I follow the convention in the field, or the style guide? (edit to specify, I mean within WP:EQUINE articles) Iamnotabunny (talk) 04:52, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

(I'm also asking that wikiproject about this.) Iamnotabunny (talk) 04:54, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Which gene is this concerning specifically? I don't know much about gene name orthography, but from the MCB style guide, I would imagine that non-human genes that are not orthologs of human genes could be capitalized. Or atleast it doesn't specify. The whole thing seems kinda speciesist though. --Nessie (talk) 14:04, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

There's a table here. I left everything that wasn't using the standard name for the gene in humans capitalized. I agree, it's definitely speciesist. I think it's the standard for mouse genes because those are so often used for learning about human genes, but it looks a bit silly for horses, at least to me. Iamnotabunny (talk) 18:46, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

(saw your post on MCB) There are lots of species-specific naming conventions but I don't know of one for horses. There's some variability for non-human species that aren't common model organisms - some conventions say only humans (and other species whose separate nomenclature groups say so) should capitalize, others say all domestic species (or even all vertebrate species) without its own convention should follow human conventions. The fairly-recent VGNC (the vertebrate equivalent of the HGNC, cited in the MCB material you linked) is using the human conventions, including specifically for the horse genome: see this paper or their website (random example gene linked). Opabinia regalis (talk) 06:52, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Interesting, thanks. The only lowercase I see is for mice and rats, so I should capitalize? Iamnotabunny (talk) 17:05, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Save our siblings - eat more beef!!

Hi folks, I would say that you need to go with what is the general practice in peer-reviewed literature on the topic of equine genetics. What I seen in such articles, for the most part, is capital letters. The more we learn about genetics, the more we find human-animal comparisons, so I think this is a distinction without a difference. Montanabw^(talk) 02:08, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Well, if similarity of nomenclature and typographical conventions reflected genetic relationships, then the most similar organisms to humans would be chickens and yeast :) But the VGNC is an authoritative source for names so if you need to pick a style I'd use theirs. (Caps for both genes and proteins, genes italicized.) Opabinia regalis (talk) 06:04, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Color article names

Flaxen gene and Sooty (gene) are somewhat inaccurate titles, since the effects the articles are about might be caused by multiple genes like the way height is inherited. The closest other disambiguated article, I would say, is Sabino horse, since the group of white patterns called sabino have multiple different causes. I'm not really a fan of that disambiguation, though. Most other horse color pages are named like White (horse), but also all of those are about one specific coat color, e.g. Buckskin (horse), rather than a trait/feature/modifier like cream. Anyway, I don't care too much what name they get moved to, but I do feel strongly that flaxen and sooty should be moved. Some possibilities: Flaxen (horse), Flaxen (horse trait) (and the same for sooty)

Pinging some people who might have opinions: @Montanabw: @Ealdgyth: @Justlettersandnumbers: @Dawnleelynn:

Iamnotabunny (talk) 00:50, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

It would seem sensible me to have a colour modifier section with these in or just put them inside horse colouring as an aside. I'm no expert but I would question notability in their own right Lady-shirakawa (talk) 10:58, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure flaxen and sooty are both notable. I have a couple more sources I can add for flaxen after I take my midterms. Though, there are some other horse colorations that aren't notable on their own, such as galustra's plume, and a place to put those would be good. Iamnotabunny (talk) 16:35, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Iamnotabunny, I think Equine coat color is the place to add any that don't merit their own page (well, also those that do, of course). I was going to create a List of horse coat colours (as I did a while ago for chickens), but it seems that it would be pretty much superfluous – though it would have an image for each. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 10:35, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Makes sense. Iamnotabunny (talk) 18:40, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

AfD Bulldog breed

You are invited to participate at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bulldog breeds. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 22:18, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Atsme, why this wikiproject and not WP:WikiProject Dogs? CThomas³ (talk) 08:02, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

It's here because there are shared interests and editors with knowledge about how "breeds" work. It's also at Agriculture. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 12:11, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello Sanctos article translation

Hello ! I've tried a new translation without machine (it doesn't work /meh) here : Hello Sanctos, is anybody can correct the errors ? Thanks ! --Tsaag Valren (talk) 08:36, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Portal:Horses

Proposal to delete all portals The discussion is at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Proposal to delete Portal space. Voceditenore (talk) 08:17, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Request for information on WP1.0 web tool

Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.

We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used by....you! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at this Google form where you can leave your response. Walkerma (talk) 04:24, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

First annual Tree of Life Decemberween contest

After all the fun with the Spooky Species Contest last month, there's a new contest for the (Northern hemisphere's) Winter holidays at Wikipedia:WikiProject Tree of Life/Contest. It's not just Christmas, but anything festive from December-ish. Feel free to add some ideas to the Festive taxa list and enter early and often. --Nessie (talk) 18:45, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Of possible interest

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pearl of Peace EV. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:38, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Update

Just a heads up to y'all that I had about 5000 articles on my watchlist, and it was getting too cumbersome to even edit it, so I just deleted the whole thing. Thus, if there's a horse article you want me to look at and I'm not showing up to do so, ping me at my talkpage. Montanabw^(talk) 20:22, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

A project

Found this in draft space. It needs help. It’s worth saving, as it is very cool. (Pun intended). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Snow_Polo_World_Cup_St._Moritz Montanabw^(talk) 07:32, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Orinx and Belgian horses

There is a section titled Orinx#Auguste_Oreins_(Orenge)_and_the_origin_of_the_Belgian_draft_horse where a merge has been proposed - your input is requested. I think several of the cited sources are in Dutch, some of the sites have English versions. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 22:48, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

I'm not seeing any discussion, Atsme ...? A good source for the history of the Belgisch Trekpaard is this; predictably, it's in Dutch. It mentions Auguste Oreins and Prins/Gugusse/Orange I, sire of Brillant. It would take me time to read it all, so I'd rather see the discussion first. HNY! Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 23:42, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

JLAN - see DGG's UTP. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 23:45, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Merger proposal:Breed standard

An article of interest to the project—Breed standard—has been proposed for merging with Breed type. Project members are invited to participate at the merger discussion. Cavalryman (talk) 02:45, 27 January 2020 (UTC).

United States Equestrian Federation

Please take a look at the recent editing activity at United States Equestrian Federation. A user account with the same name as the president of the federation has made some edits, that may be WP:COI edits or could constitute disruptive editing (though I am unsure, as I am unfamiliar with the subject). --AntiCedros (talk) 16:15, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Love Lock, Pretty Greeley, Golden Yank, Cherokee Lord, Dr. Hugs, and Greeley's Conquest

Millard Seldin, the owner of Love Lock, Pretty Greeley, Golden Yank, Cherokee Lord, Dr. Hugs, and Greeley's Conquest, died last January.Zigzig20s (talk) 13:04, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Suggestion: Horse Information

Volunteer Response Team,

I would like to suggest adding a horse breed's blood type to every breed's important information section. Of course there are the traits and breed standards, but I think a lot of readers would find it helpful to see what kind of blood type a certain breed is, such as hotblooded, warmblooded, and coldblooded. The blood type of a horse breed is significant to understand what these kinds of horses are good at doing (coldblooded for working horses, hotblooded for racing, and warmblooded for sports such as dressage).

The difference between the blood types also tells the temperament of the horse (coldblooded for level-headed temperaments of draft horses, hotblooded for high-spirited racing horses, and warmblooded for an even-tempered sports horse because of its cross of cold and hotblooded horses).

In short, I think that it would be more beneficial to add the blood type in the important information section on the side of the page (and maybe even the info section when the horse is searched on Google) rather than adding it in halfway down the Wikipedia page. Really, I suggest the horse pages look just like the dog and cat pages. Their temperaments, life spans, and sizes (height & weight) are just as important as these other animals. Now I know horse people don't necessarily care about reading Wikipedia on horses, we know what we're talking about, but there are other people who read these webpages and would like to know this information. Hence why I am suggesting adding this information to their pages.

Thank you for taking the time to read this.

Sincerely, Katherine Schenaker 174.226.129.78 (talk) 01:29, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Reply Thanks for your suggestions. Most of us at WPEQ are “horse people” too, and we try to make these articles as accurate as possible. We do have a standardized infobox on all the breed articles, and we usually include height ranges for a given breed where there is reliable information. Occasionally weight is relevant, but it is not always listed as a breed standard. However, the characterizing of horses as “hotbloods,” etc. is rather archaic, and for that reason we avoid it (also, as the term warmblood also refers to several breeds of sport horse, it can generate confusion.). Temperament is a minefield, anyway, as training has a tremendous influence— and within a single breed there can be a wide range of reactivity. As for lifespans, we have the general range at horse, as (unlike dogs) management has far more to do with longevity than does breed. But thanks for stopping by and if you see a specific article that needs help, please don’t hesitate to let us knowMontanabw^(talk) 04:15, 30 April 2020 (UTC)!

Connolly's RED MILLS

Found this article lost in time about an equine product manufacturer and wondering if anyone here knows enough about it to establish its notability (or lack thereof) and maybe expand/clean it up a bit? bibliomaniac15 04:27, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

@Bibliomaniac15:, no clue here. I think there are some Irish folks active at WikiProject Horseracing, maybe ask over there. Montanabw^(talk) 04:16, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Zebra evolution

I'm currently rewriting the zebra article, eventually for FAC. I'm having trouble with evolution and phylogeny. There are some contradictions in date divergence between these two articles, and these may contradict fossil dating of supposed extinct zebras. Can anybody help? What is the most up to date information? Would it be this 2019 one? LittleJerry (talk) 18:27, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Issue at ANI

There is a discussion about the Brumby article (a GA class article for WPEQ) at ANI that is of interest to members of this project. Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Disruptive_behavior_at_Brumby. Montanabw^(talk) 18:05, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Thilled; poled

I came across the phrase "thilled instead of poled":

en:wikisource:Page:Walks in the Black Country and its green border-land.pdf/310

Is there a suitable article where these terms, and the difference between them, can be explained an illustrated; and can someone kindly do so, with sources?

I see that "thill" is defined at en:wiktionary:thill. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:05, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Pigsonthewing, the OED entry for thill is here, and seems to make the difference pretty clear. Our articles on cart and wagon are both without a glossary of technical terms; this might be an opportunity to start one. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 18:37, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Agreed, we have Horse harness#Parts, perhaps something similar. Cavalryman (talk) 21:16, 21 August 2020 (UTC).

Renaming discussion

Renaming discussion that may be of interest to project members here Montanabw^(talk) 06:32, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Deletion discussion

Deletion discussion of interest to project members here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Native Americans and horses. Montanabw^(talk) 06:54, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

RfC: Removing every image from horse slaughter article

Opinions are needed on the following Talk:Horse slaughter#RfC: Removing every image from horse slaughter article. Mariolovr (talk) 18:02, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

PSD

The hugely popular British radio soap opera The Archers has just featured PSD - proximal suspensory desmitis. (A couple nearly invested in a horse which had it, disguised by Bute when they saw the horse, but the vet did the blood test and warned them off - in between driving the vet practice nurse to resign through his rudeness.) I looked it up in Wikipedia, as you do, but was surprised to find we don't have an article, although a search turns up a few mentions in articles. There's Degenerative suspensory ligament desmitis but Desmitis is a red link. Perhaps someone who knows about these things might like to create an article, or a section and a redirect? I know nothing about horses. PamD 20:40, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

AfD

Discussion in progress of interest to members of this project: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A Celebration of Horses: The American Saddlebred. Montanabw^(talk) 18:26, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Pending proposal to declare NSPORTS (and NEQUESTRIAN) an invalid argument at AfD

A new proposal is now pending to add language to NSPORT providing, among other things, that "meeting [NSPORTS or NEQUESTRIAN] would not serve as a valid keep argument in a deletion discussion." If you have views on this proposal, one way or the other, please feel free to add your comments at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Subproposal 1 (NSPORT). Cbl62 (talk) 17:59, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

"Equestrian" at the Summary Olympics

An RfC of interest to members of this project is currently ongoing at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Sports#"Equestrian"_at_the_Summary_Olympics. Your participation would be welcome. Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 15:16, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

There was also a RM discussion at Talk:Equestrian at the Summer Olympics ... until RandomCanadian closed it down to start his own version. RC, I started that discussion in support of the move you'd made, and which had been (mistakenly, in my view) reverted. Perhaps you'd like to rethink your action, which was at best bloody rude, and probably out of process too. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 17:43, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Justlettersandnumbers: The idea is that this affects many many pages, so in the interest of avoiding wasting time, and of avoiding inconsistency, one centralised discussion covering all of them was started instead. Again, this was purely procedural. Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 01:05, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

User script to detect unreliable sources

Main page: User:Headbomb/unreliable

I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14. (John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.)

and turns it into something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.

It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{cite web}}, {{cite journal}} and {{doi}}.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

- Headbomb {t · c · p · b}

This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:01, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Discussion at Equestrian Sport

See Wikipedia_talk:Notability (sports)#Expanding Notability for Equestrians - your participation is requested. Atsme 💬 📧 21:47, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Image discussion

There is a discussion at Talk:Thoroughbred#Infobox_Image which may be of interest to members of this project. ‡ El cid, el campeador ^talk 18:31, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Three Hall of Fame articles at AfD

Your participation is needed at:

1. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/NCHA Horse Hall of Fame
2. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/NCHA Members Hall of Fame
3. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/NCHA Rider Hall of Fame

Thanking you in advance. Atsme 💬 📧 01:00, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

See this post from Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mammals : 96+ horses need a wikiproject attached to it (mostly racehorses !)

Many pages of animals do not have either wikiprojects attached to them or even existant talk pages, on this linked post i listed in my sandbox (since otherwise it would clogged a lot) about 300 such pages, some of which are pertinent to this wikiproject, notably around 96 horses and 1 pony breed. There is probably also a few others pages that could be pertinent to this project.

Entry of the talk page : Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mammals#Are_individual_animals_page_in_the_WikiProjectMammals_?

Cheers ! Gimly24 (talk) 21:11, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Project-independent quality assessments

Quality assessments by Wikipedia editors rate articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Wikipedia:Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a |class= parameter to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.

However, if your project has decided to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass {{WPBannerMeta}} a new |QUALITY_CRITERIA=custom parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. Aymatth2 (talk) 19:56, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Sugar Puff

The article Sugar Puff has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

One of the shortest stubs in the history of the English Wikipedia, created on the 10th anniversary of Sugar Puff's death, and is unlikely ever to be expanded. Could also fail GNG, tho I'm on the fence about that one.

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. 100.7.44.80 (talk) 20:38, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Breton contradiction

Perhaps someone who knows could resolve this contradiction, and difficult English, in the Breton horse article? Here's the possibly problematic edit, and the IP editor trying to fix but having trouble. User:83.200.125.135, feel free to post here for help, or at the WP:Teahouse.

A thank you in advance to anyone taking this up. HLHJ (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 01:49, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

Loose horse

The redirect Loose horse is being discussed at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 April 25#Loose horse. The discussion would greatly benefit from input from editors knowledgeable about horses. Thryduulf (talk) 08:24, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Leopoldo Saínz de la Maza#Requested move 22 April 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Leopoldo Saínz de la Maza#Requested move 22 April 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 14:14, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Horses Galore - 1970s BBC children's program

Do we keep this article? Please provide your input one way or another at:

• Articles for deletion/Horses Galore

--A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 19:38, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Another RfC on capitalization of all our articles

I thought this was a done deal back in this 2022 RFC but obviously not. A handful of editors did another rfc with no sports projects input at all. And it's being challenged because we just noticed it. This could affect almost every single tennis and Olympic article we have, and goodness know how many other sports. Some may have already been moved it you weren't watching the article. And not just the article titles will be affected but all the player bios that link to the articles. Sure the links would be piped to the right place if thousands of articles moved, but if the wording in a bio still said 2023 Wimbledon Championships – Men's singles or Swimming at the 2020 Summer Olympics – Men's 200 metre backstroke that would likely need to be changed by hand. There is also talk of removing the ndash completely.

Perhaps this is what sports projects want and perhaps not. Either way I certainly don't want projects ill-informed as the last RfC was handled. Express your thoughts at the following rfc. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:42, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Notice re merge proposal

* There is a merge proposal related to American Miniature Horse and Miniature horse. If interested, see discussion at Talk:Miniature horse#Proposed merge of American Miniature Horse into Miniature horse. ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 09:48, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Racehorses, cruft?

At what point do we create standalone wiki articles for individual horses? Today's new article is Idiomatic (horse). Okay, the filly won some races. So what. Thousands and thousands of racehorses win races. 12 of that article's 16 citations are from Equibase.com, a pay-database of racing statistics. What... is Wikipedia the no-paywall mirror of Equibase now? 2 other sources are pedigree databases, leaving just TWO citations as coverage of the horse: [1] and [2]. Not a chance of passing general notability guidelines! Same user has created hundreds of these cookie cutter articles for racehorses. The categories such as Idiomatic's Category:Racehorses bred in Kentucky has 1,500 entries! (And I thought the soccer fancruft was bad.) Has this been discussed here before? Is there some other criteria that grants notability rating to horses that is a lower bar than GNG? ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 00:47, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Breed standards in infobox

The documentation for Template:Infobox horse breed requires a URL to a breed standard ("Url to the actual standards document"). What I am mostly finding in these breed articles are links to the breed registry's website (domain name), which isn't the same thing. A horse breed article is about the breed, not the registering organization. The purpose of linking to a breed standard is for the reader to find out more about the breed (not a marketing or administrative organization). Infoboxes for other species also have parameters for standards: pig, cattle, dog, cat.

If you want to link to the registry's website, then put it in the "External links" section.

Apparently because of the way the horse breed infobox is coded, I am not able to 'tag' incorrect links directly after the link. (One editor reverting these tags called them linter errors.) If anyone has any suggestion how best to tag these errors, please let me know.   ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 07:48, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Laurentia Tan

Laurentia Tan has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Spinixster (chat!) 02:50, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for tagging my article

I am an equine journalist in the Uk and was responsible for the AfC mentioned on the Project page for the British Equestrian Media Association. I have to admit I will struggle to get it accepted because the AfC notability guidelines mean that Horse & Hound and The Sports Journalists' Association are not reliable sources. It's a niche professional organisation and as such doesn't get written about much! I am keen to help the project as a whole though, and may be able to help with images as I have an archive of half a million of my own. Indie (talk) 14:54, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Welcome, and what a resource! I will help with the Draft:British Equestrian Media Association article. I see your user account isn't entirely new, but your edit count is low enough to make you relatively new to Wikipedia. If you would like, I am willing to mentor you to help reduce the [oftentimes Sisyphean] learning curve for editing in Wikipedia. Feel free to email me.

I would consider Horse & Hound and Sports Journalists' Association to be reliable sources. Did someone tell you otherwise?

And yes, photos! I'm sure you have some I could use in Wikipedia. I noticed someone yanked the BEMA logo, but once the article is up and live I can help get that logo uploaded properly. Wikipedia's rules about images are downright obscure and confusing; I've finally attained a fair handle on them and can assist.   ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 00:54, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

@Indomitable: Forgot to tag you.   ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 00:55, 12 December 2023 (UTC)