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Should we set up an archive for the talk page? It is getting a little long... Prayerfortheworld (talk) 06:16, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm in favor, and can set it up if I don't hear any objection within the next couple of days GormtheDBA (talk) 15:07, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
I think that would be wonderful. What would be more appropriate, a cut-and-paste archive or a bot archive? Prayerfortheworld (talk) 05:33, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject Homepage

Hi I don't do much but I am apart of the project I was looking at the project homepage the other day and I believe it could use a redo. I did the same thing almost a year ago for WikiProject Oklahoma and would be happy to do the same here for this project as well if you would care to let me. Ill give you an over view of what Ill do, Firstly I will create a subpage where I will create the new layout. There I will organize everything into easy to read sections and place anything that would make finding things for the project easier. After that's done I will allow others to take a look and change anything that needs to be changed. After its done and I'm giving finale permission from the project I will begin to implement the change over. If this is something that you think as a project would be a good thing to do hit me up on my talk page. Thank you for your time--SteamIron 01:26, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

It sounds like a good idea, but I think we should wait until more members put their two cents in this conversation. Which, from the looks of it, might take a while. Prayerfortheworld (talk) 05:15, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Season of Champions section

I just noticed that the non-bold "Season of Champions" events on the Season of Champions section aren't really Season of Champions events. I temporarily marked them as "CCA-recognized events," but that doesn't sound very adequate. What should they be labelled as? Prayerfortheworld (talk) 01:49, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

They are former Season of Champions events. In 2004, the CCA dropped the Mixed & Seniors as SoC events, but picked up the Canada Cup & the Continental Cup. I think when I created the template, I was kind of confused about what was SoC and what wasn't, as the the change had been more recent. -- Earl Andrew - talk 02:48, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
I'm just not sure if they should be considered "Season of Champions" events, and I'm not sure what to call them if they shouldn't be considered Season of Champions events. What do you think they should be called? We put all those events under the "Season of Champions" section and bolded the actual SoC events for last year's season; should this change? Prayerfortheworld (talk) 04:26, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
"Season of Champions and other CCA sanctioned events", maybe. -- Earl Andrew - talk 05:46, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
Seems a little too long... Can we make that just "CCA-sanctioned events"? That will cover the Season of Champions too. Prayerfortheworld (talk) 22:18, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Need a bonspile draw sheet

Hey guys. I realize that this might not be the best place to ask this. I am in need of a set of bonspiel brackets for a 24 team, 4 event, FOUR game guarantee bonspiel. If anyone's got one or know where to find one, I'd appreciate it. Eric Cable  |  Talk  12:26, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

List of WCT teams

Should this list be: 1) placed on one article and updated yearly? (as it is now: List of teams on the World Curling Tour), 2) placed as a subpage of or a separate page from each curling season and dedicated to that season only? (e.g. have an article "List of teams on the 2011–12 World Curling Tour" and list teams for only the 2011–12 season there), or 3) be merged in with the main season page? Prayerfortheworld (talk) 18:00, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm a fan of option 2, by the way. Prayerfortheworld (talk) 18:02, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
We should have a new page for each season. It's good for historical notes. -- Earl Andrew - talk 04:31, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
Okay then, I'll set that up. Prayerfortheworld (talk) 17:05, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
Done. Prayerfortheworld (talk) 17:24, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Great Lakes Curling Tour on curling season page

Should the Great Lakes Curling Tour be included on the 2011–12 curling season page? It's supposed to be working with the WCT, and some WCT events are in the GLCT as well. Of course, this raises the question of event notability as well, which would also affect WP:CURLING/AG. Prayerfortheworld (talk) 01:07, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Not unless we cover every other regional tour (such as the Ontario Curling Tour or the Champions Tour) -- Earl Andrew - talk 01:48, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Article quality/importance

I really think we should set some guidelines for the article quality and importance assessments (i.e. the {{curling|class=XXX|importance=XXX}} stuff). I don't know about you, but I'm getting a little confused about what to rate for class and/or importance. I've started the thread on WT:CURLING/AG, since this is probably going to end up on the AGs anyway. Prayerfortheworld (talk) 17:45, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Retirements/new teams

Has Bob Ursel retired? Also, are there any other retirements and/or new team lineups that should be placed on 2010–11 curling season#Notable Team Changes? Thanks! Prayerfortheworld (talk) 21:50, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

He was injured for much of last season, so he is probably just taking the season off. Just speculating though. -- Earl Andrew - talk 00:35, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Information on 2011-12 curling season WCT events

Do you think we should include information on the number of teams participating and the purse amounts as in pl:World Curling Tour 2009/2010?

Yes- it gives an idea of the growth of each event and the growth of the tour overall. --Coppercanuck (talk) 03:53, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
Any more opinions? Prayerfortheworld (talk) 19:33, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

WCT/Curlingzone down?

Are and down again? If so, yikes... Prayerfortheworld (talk) 23:07, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

The latter works, the former doesn't. -- Earl Andrew - talk 04:48, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
Unless it's a subpage you're talking about, both sites seem to be working at this time. Huntster (t @ c) 09:16, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
It seems as if it was a temporary problem. I just got a little scared that it would be down for a while. Thanks! Prayerfortheworld (talk) 23:17, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

New Order of Merit for WCT

For your information, there have been additions to the WCT order of merit system (here). I think this should be included on the World Curling Tour article and the 2011–12 curling season article, but not sure how. Any thoughts? Prayerfortheworld (talk) 19:34, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

New Olympic qualification procedure

Does anyone know the details of the new WCF-Olympic qualification system? The new rules, according to this article, state that there will be a two-year qualification period and a new qualification event in 2013. Any comments? Prayerfortheworld (talk) 00:00, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Curler Notability Guideline

I missed the full discussion that was on the Sports notability page (just saw this), but I have a question about whether simply having competed in a World Curling Tour event really makes you notable. The vast majority of players at a lot of these events aren't at the elite level. Sometimes they're good club teams looking for a challenge, or even sometimes pulled from the local club to fill out an event. If you look, say at Golf, simply being in a PGA tour event doesn't make you notable, you either have to be "on the tour" (and the WCT doesn't really have an equivalent for that) or do something worthy. If curling is going to have a notability guideline related to the WCT, really I really think it should be something like competing in a WCT Grand Slam event. Those are the curlers you can really consider elite and potentially worthy of an article. Not people who finished 1-4 at some cashspiel that their team wanted to try. The Bethling(Talk) 18:51, 3 November 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk)

This has come up before, but we've never really arrived at any real concrete decision. You can take a look at the discussion at WT:CURLING/AG. Prayerfortheworld (talk) 04:00, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Results in WCT events

Would all WCT events results pages merit the addition of linescores in curlingboxes? I've been hesitant to do so, but if there's no opposition to this, I think it'd be a good idea, albeit more work. Prayerfortheworld (talk) 01:04, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

International Curling Federation

International Curling Federation currently redirects to World Curling Federation. Would it be useful to create a separate article for the ICF, including its history and reasons for changing the name to World Curling Federation? --Peacock28 (talk) 01:14, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

I don't think that would be necessary, maybe a section on the World Curling Federation article page would be better. Intoronto1125TalkContributions 01:20, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
Agreed, a history section in the current article that documents both ICF days and more recent history would be nice. Huntster (t @ c) 01:38, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
I can work on that. Prayerfortheworld (talk) 02:06, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

German To English

The 2007 Pacific Curling Championships article is a stub. The German version of the article has more information, and I moved some of it to the English article, but I don't know how to make the end-by-end match scores work in English. --Peacock28 (talk) 16:15, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

The same goes for the 2007 World Junior Curling Championships. --Peacock28 (talk) 17:13, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
Hello! Thanks for helping out on that! I'll try to contribute as well, but for further reference, we use curlingboxes (e.g. {{Curlingbox}}) to fill out the results. You can click on the link, and there will be a bit of information to tell you how to use the curlingbox. You can also find more information on filling out curling articles at WP:CURLING/AG#Articles on curling events, and you can also refer to 2011 Pacific Curling Championships for information on filling out the Pacific Curling Championships articles, since they are a bit different than the other championships. Prayerfortheworld (talk) 17:37, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the help! --Peacock28 (talk) 18:03, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
No problem! Let me know if you need anything else! Prayerfortheworld (talk) 08:37, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Stubs That Aren't Stubs

I have a question. While looking through the articles classified as stub-class, I discovered some articles (such as Curling at the 1998 Winter Olympics) that obviously weren't stubs. However, when I checked the edit history, I saw that the articles had been extensively expanded long after the articles had been classified. Moreover, these articles weren't marked as stubs with the stub template; it was only on the discussion pages. This brings me to my question: is there a process for reclassifying articles' importance and/or quality, or are Wikipedians supposed to reclassify whatever they see fit? I know Wikipedia is free for everyone, but isn't this a bit anarchic?--Peacock28 (talk) 05:08, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

You know, I've tried to make a push to set standards for article ratings, but no one has responded... so without a standard, it really can be quite anarchic. Recently, no one on the project has been really doing ratings except the people that are active. I usually just classify articles that need work as stubs and articles with decent content as start-class, but I haven't done anything else after that (C/B-class, etc.). I would say that if they're not stubs, just change them to start class. Prayerfortheworld (talk) 07:12, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
First question: What about articles that are as complete as they will ever be, even if they aren't very long? If an article is about a minor curler who hasn't gone to many tournaments, then the article won't get very long before we run out of information. If that happens, is it accurate to mark it as "start-class," even though the article is finished? Second question: I changed some of the articles' quality ratings, but the table on the Wikiproject page still has them as stubs. Does it automatically update after a certain period of time, or does someone have to tell it to update?--Peacock28 (talk) 21:56, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
I suppose they could be marked otherwise, but I'm not really sure. As for the table, it's created by a bot, so I'm not sure if it updates itself or needs input. I'll poke around and see what happens though. Prayerfortheworld (talk) 22:33, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
It's updated. If you got it to work, thanks.--Peacock28 (talk) 22:40, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

GA Nomination

Looking through the list of curling articles by quality, I notice that there are no Good Articles or Featured Articles. Would it be worthwhile to nominate an article for GA status? If so, I think Kevin Martin (curler) would make a good candidate.--Peacock28 (talk) 02:56, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

I concur! I think it could use a tad bit of touching up, but the content's almost all there. Prayerfortheworld (talk) 04:19, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
I agree as well we need some good articles for this great sport!! For the Kevin Martin article I think the references are not all properly formatted (I could be wrong). Intoronto1125TalkContributions 04:39, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
I'll work on those. Prayerfortheworld (talk) 05:55, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
All right, is the article ready? If no one wants to make any more edits, we should nominate it for GA status now.--Peacock28 (talk) 02:03, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
The references are concerning me (the way they are formatted). Possibly an Olympic section should be created. Intoronto1125TalkContributions 03:02, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
I think the references are fine. Also, the article lists Martin's career chronologically, so it wouldn't make sense to make a section for the Olympics (unless we gave each large tournament a section).--Peacock28 (talk) 03:20, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
Some of the references do not use the reference format. Intoronto1125TalkContributions 04:43, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
I've fixed them as best I can. Does that look good? Prayerfortheworld (talk) 06:40, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
Oh, I see what you mean. My bad.--Peacock28 (talk) 20:33, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Inactive Participants

A significant percentage of the participants in this WikiProject haven't made any edits on Wikipedia in months, or even years. Should we create a list of inactive members, so that we know who can help with projects? If so, what should the "inactive" criteria be?--Peacock28 (talk) 23:41, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Not a bad idea. I would suggest six months inactivity...seems that would be beyond reasonable, and its not like a returning editor can't switch their status back to active. Huntster (t @ c) 23:45, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
Do you mean six months without making edits to Wikipedia, or six months without making edits to curling articles? If someone has left the WikiProject, but is still contributing to Wikipedia, we might as well take him off our list.--Peacock28 (talk) 00:11, 6 January 2012 (UTC)


Could the Project do a weekly or monthly collaboration, in which we would massively overhaul a low-quality article? It might stimulate interest in the Project and provide some central planning. Peacock28 (talk) 01:57, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Sounds great! I was thinking that we needed something like this, but not sure how it would work just yet. Let's see how planning goes. Prayerfortheworld (talk) 07:20, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
Great idea, any idea what we should start off with? I personally would like to see more articles on individual curlers. -- Earl Andrew - talk 08:40, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
Skip (curling) is both extremely short and poorly formatted, with most of the article being a list of skips, and very little devoted to what a skip is. Peacock28 (talk) 14:55, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
So, how do we get this off the ground? Peacock28 (talk) 01:16, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
Look, I've been registered on Wikipedia for under a month. I don't know that much about how any of this works. I'm not going to unilaterally create a periodic collaboration. I need actual feedback. Saying "That's a great idea, we should do that" doesn't count. I appreciate the help I've received from some of you (particularly Prayerfortheworld), but I honestly don't know what to do here. Should I wait and hope that someone creates a collaboration? Should I do it myself, and hope that other people join me? Should I drop the idea altogether? I don't know. I apologize for my brusqueness, but I'm frustrated by the lack of meaningful discussion. Peacock28 (talk) 01:14, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
Well, I would say, Be bold!. It's been a while since I've done a collaboration, so I'd say you have to start with nominations, and then we vote on nominations. And then the winner gets to be the collaboration of the month. And then we do it all again for the following month, etc. -- Earl Andrew - talk 04:23, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
I'm sorry for not contributing actual feedback. I'm not sure how it would be started either, since I've never done a collaboration before. I'll begin searching for a few articles that should be nominated for collaboration! Prayerfortheworld (talk) 05:25, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
I've started a list of articles to be improved here. Some of them can be improved to nominate for GA status, but most of them are stubs. I'll continue adding more as I come across them, and I think we should choose an article to start off the collaboration drive. Prayerfortheworld (talk) 02:42, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
I just noticed the collaboration section on the front page, so disregard that last part. Prayerfortheworld (talk) 02:46, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Improvement for List of curlers

The List of curlers article is in need of attention. I think that the lists need to be updated and streamlined, and another editor has placed a ref improve tag on the page. Should this be our next collaboration? Prayerfortheworld (talk) 00:30, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Ah, that page. I'll start adding some more names. -- Earl Andrew - talk 01:35, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
Haha, yes. I think what the editor is saying is that there need to be references on each entry in order to fully pass the "well cited" requirement, or whatever it is. Not too sure where to start to look for sources though... Prayerfortheworld (talk) 19:33, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
WCF & WCT is a start. Also, lists of former provincial champions... -- Earl Andrew - talk 19:47, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Category:The Brier

Category:The Brier has been proposed to be renamed. See Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 February 19. (talk) 07:08, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Improvement for World Curling Championships

I've brought this up here before, but I think that the World Curling Championships page needs a pretty big overhaul. We had a good discussion going on, but I think we need to figure out how to organize the page before we go about revamping it. Of course, I've always thought the option of creating separate sub-articles for the men's and women's Worlds may be a good thing to do, since it will allow the World Curling Championships page to be a "summary" page of all the world curling championships (i.e. men's, women's, mixed doubles, wheelchair, seniors). Going along with the "summary" page idea, I also think there needs to be sections dedicated to the mixed doubles and seniors Worlds, as well as an expansion of the wheelchair curling section, which was just tacked on by an editor outside of WP:CURLING in order to have something there to work with. But, I'd like to discuss with the rest of WP:CURLING, since it might help to make the article an even better page. Thanks. Prayerfortheworld (talk) 19:44, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

I went through a few of the pages for World Championships in other sports (athletics, swimming, gymnastics, and figure skating in particular) and I actually found their pages to be much longer and, in the case of figure skating, for cumbersome to read. I do agree with the current link to the Wheelchair Curling section and I believe Mixed Doubles should have it's own page as well. This would be consistent with Track and Field which has separate pages for their Outdoor, Indoor, Cross Country worlds among others.--MorrisIV (talk) 03:30, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Good article Kevin Martin

Kevin Martin has been named a good article! Congrats to everyone who worked on it! Prayerfortheworld (talk) 14:44, 4 March 2012 (UTC)


The majority of Skip (curling) is a list of notable skips. Should that be split into a different article? As it is, the article doesn't give much information about skips' roles, importance, &c.--Peacock28 (talk) 21:53, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I think the article can use some improvement. The list of skips should probably be split off, although I'm not sure why it's there in the first place. Prayerfortheworld (talk) 01:42, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
What else should be added to the skip article? Prayerfortheworld (talk) 01:49, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
A history section would be good. Also, almost all of the references come from the same source (Curling for Dummies). I still think the list of skips should be split into a separate article. Peacock28 (talk) 00:55, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
I think the list of skips is too long. How about we list the top ten successful skips (from WC, EC, PanPac and Olympics) for each gender? Intoronto1125TalkContributions 01:13, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
I concur. I believe the list is long, but we shouldn't trim it to the top ten for each gender. I like the current division into decades, but I believe that the 1990's and 2000's is too long (and the 2010's could potentially become too long as we move through the decade). I propose that we include all Olympians in the list, particularly medalists. Also, any skip who won the Brier or the Hearts should be listed. Marla Mallett for example, should be taken off. --MorrisIV (talk) 03:17, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Another suggestion would be to create two, three, or four columns in the Notable Skips section. See the Record Against Selected Opponents section in the pages on Tine Baun and Simon Santoso as examples of what I mean.--MorrisIV (talk) 03:20, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
How about this: We split off the full list of skips to a separate article, but leave a list of very notable (Olympic Medalists, Brier/Scotties winners) in the current article with a link (one of those See also or Main article subheadings) to the full list. Peacock28 (talk) 03:33, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
I suppose we could keep a few names on. I'm more interested in adding content to the article than I am in the list. Prayerfortheworld (talk) 04:07, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
What other content should be added to the article? Also, I'm not sure where to find the history of the position of skip, but I'll definitely help write anything. Any ideas? Thanks. Prayerfortheworld (talk) 23:44, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

WCF Hall of Fame

The World Curling Federation announced a new WCF Hall of Fame at the general assembly in Basel. I think that people in the WCF Hall of Fame will probably merit notability, so I'm going to propose an addendum to provision #10 of WP:NCURLING, which will read: "Is a member of the Canadian Curling Hall of Fame or the WCF Hall of Fame." I'll add it to the notability guidelines, and if there are any objections, we can always discuss it. Prayerfortheworld (talk) 16:42, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

I agree with the change. Intoronto1125TalkContributions 16:51, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
I also agree with the addition of notability qualifications.--MorrisIV (talk) 23:56, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
I will have to propose this on WP:Notability (sports). I'll let you know when the thread is started, and please support the proposal. Thanks. Prayerfortheworld (talk) 21:37, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
Posted on Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports)#Curling notability. Prayerfortheworld (talk) 23:07, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
Please comment and support the proposal posted on the notability talk page! Prayerfortheworld (talk) 21:11, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Tim Hortons Brier

Please join the discussion at Talk:Tim Hortons Brier#Requested move (2012) on the proposed move of Tim Hortons Brier to The Brier. Prayerfortheworld (talk) 05:08, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Medal/champion tables

I feel like there should be a standardization of the champion tables, such as those in the Tim Hortons Brier article or the List of men's World Curling champions article and related articles. There are, as it seems, two types of full-team documentation: 1) a list of people separated by commas, such as the one at Canada Cup of Curling#Winners, and 2) a list of people separated by line breaks, such as the one at List of men's World Curling champions. I also feel that the flagicon sizes should be standardized across these champion tables. I just want to hear the opinion of fellow editors on how these two issues should be treated. Thanks! Prayerfortheworld (talk) 01:16, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

I prefer this format. The Tim Hortons Brier format isn't bad, until finalists begin to get listed and then teams are listed on multiple lines and sometimes the first name appears at the end of one line and the last name at the beginning of the next line down. Yes, that is a minor aesthetic observation, but the way the World Curling champions are listed makes it much more legible. As for flag icons, I've never noticed that being much of a problem, except for the Swiss flag which has a slightly different size than most flags. Overall, I don't think there needs to be a stand flagicon size, as long as the flags are the same size through the same chart, infobox, etc.--MorrisIV (talk) 01:22, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
In terms of my personal opinion, I would prefer to see regular-sized flagicons, since they are prevalent across the WikiProject. I'm not a fan of the larger flagicons; they just seem unnecessary and, at times, inappropriate. For the champion tables, I really am torn between the two types. On the one hand, the list separated by commas is good to save length for the table, but adds width, while the list separated by line breaks does the opposite. Though I can't decide between the two, I think that using only one would be better than using both, since it's a little messy if both are present, especially in the same article. Thanks! Prayerfortheworld (talk) 01:23, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
I would agree with you for the champion table format, MorrisIV. There really are advantages to both, but I feel that the disadvantages of the comma'd list format outweigh the advantages. Prayerfortheworld (talk) 01:26, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Scotch doubles (curling)

Anyone have any amount of knowledge on Scotch doubles? I've never heard of it, and the article is in great need of expansion and notability establishment. Thanks. Prayerfortheworld (talk) 03:25, 28 June 2012 (UTC)


If you can, please comment on the current discussion going on at Template talk:Curlingbox. Thank you! Prayerfortheworld (talk) 21:16, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion: 2012 St. Paul Cash Spiel

2012 St. Paul Cash Spiel is currently proposed for deletion. If you can help, please contribute to the article! Prayerfortheworld (talk) 18:14, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Sorry I missed this earlier, but it looks like the article will stay. Have there been many problems with non-Curling editors proposing deletion of bonspiel pages?--MorrisIV (talk) 21:06, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
It hasn't been too bad. Just to note, it was never put on AFD, just proded. -- Earl Andrew - talk 23:18, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

World championship qualifying

On world championship articles, that list qualification procedures, one of the countries is regularly shown as qualifying as "defending champion". I believe that pages from 2009 onward have qualification explanations. However the current rules (both WCF and ECF) do not agree, is there any evidence that it was true for any of them?18abruce (talk) 17:47, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

I always thought that was the reason Canada never had to play Brazil in those Americas challeneges. -- Earl Andrew - talk 17:56, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
No, the rules state: "The Americas Region Association/Federation that finished highest at the previous WCC is automatically qualified", I just don't know how long it has been that way.18abruce (talk) 17:59, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
Oh! That makes more sense. Well, I had never read the rules, I just went by what others have said. -- Earl Andrew - talk 19:30, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
Well, be careful though. I was led astray with the olympic qualifying because they did not update their online rulebook for almost a year and a half and prayerfortheworld had it right even though the rules appeared to condradict him (or her, I don't know).18abruce (talk) 20:34, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
OK Well, your guess is as good as mine then -- Earl Andrew - talk 21:32, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

RfC on the use of flag icons for sportspeople

An RfC discussion about the MOS:FLAG restriction on the use of flag icons for sportspeople has been opened at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Icons. We invite all interested participants to provide their opinion here. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:58, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Please post the scores....You are two days is one of the most important things that the public is interested in.......

Thank you

Philip D. Sirois Yorkton, Saskatchewan — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:36, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

You're always welcome to contribute as well. -- Earl Andrew - talk 02:06, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Regards, from an observer, about several articles within the project's scope

Hello there I was navigating though Random as usual when I came across a Curling related article, and it seems that all the articles have the same format. Content, unsourced, spammed with red links, text, tables, order and everything that don't comply with Wikipedia Guidelines, I'm not familiar with the subject to verify its content or notability, but so far, a lot of content presented in the articles pose as POVs or OR. So the question is anyone willing to help on on sourcing this articles, or should I go along with WP guidelines and remove contentious material about curling that is either unsourced or poorly referenced. Eduemoni↑talk↓ 16:56, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

While I agree that there are issues with a lot of the pages (many are old vestiges from when referencing wasn't as strictly enforced as today), I do disagree with the red link issues. Most if not all the red links are notable under WP:CURLING, as well they are helpful when doing research on new articles. I like to use the "what links here" for new articles on curlers to find out what major events they've been in. Removing those red links makes it harder to write complete articles. Anyways, we should start a task force to start referencing some of the articles you've tagged. -- Earl Andrew - talk 17:03, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Portal:Sports is up for featured portal consideration

This is a courtesy message to inform the members of this project that I have nominated Portal:Sports for featured portal status. The discussion is at Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Sports. The featured portal criteria are at Wikipedia:Featured portal criteria. Please feel free to weigh in. Sven Manguard Wha? 18:33, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Curling images

If anyone has pictures from recent curling events, either of the events themselves or of the curlers in the events, they'd be much appreciated in helping us improve our articles. I feel that we're in need of pictures on countless biographical articles and competitions. Thanks! Prayerfortheworld (talk) 02:19, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

World Curling Tour

I think there may be a mix up on two lines of the World Curling Tour but I'm not sure. In the men's section it says that the Canad Inns Prairie Classic is hosted by Kamloops, British Columbia and the Labatt Crown of Curling (a redirect to Valley First Crown of Curling) is hosted by Portage la Prairie, Manitoba. But the Canad Inns Prairie Classic and Valley First Crown of Curling have the cities the other way round. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 08:03, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Fixed. Thank you for pointing this out. Prayerfortheworld (talk) 16:26, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 01:52, 10 December 2013 (UTC)


FYI, Category:Bonspiels (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) has been nominated for deletion -- (talk) 13:05, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Where/How do I comment on this one? Curling Competitions should be merged into Bonspiels, not the other way around. Eric Cable  |  Talk  13:15, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
Here. Prayerfortheworld (talk) 22:41, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
Also, Template:2014 Winter Olympics men's curling standings has been nominated. TfD post here. Prayerfortheworld (talk) 02:08, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Category:Bonspiels relisted

I have relisted the discussion on Category:Bonspiels at 2013 December 17, with the following request for clarification of a point of fact:

There is a consensus that the two categories should be merged if they have identical scope. In that case, the head article is bonspiel, so the category should follow that name. However Vanisaac asserts that a bonspiel is a particular type of curling competition, and that there are other types of competition; but Earl Andrew asserts that the two are identical. To allow an informed decision, please can editors try to resolve this point?

Your assistance would be welcome. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:58, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Olympics results

I've put in a table of all the round-robin matchups for the Olympics at the Curling at the 2014 Winter Olympics page. I would appreciate help in keeping the results updated throughout the Olympics, since I am in the Pacific time zone and facing probably the longest tape delay on the planet. Also, I've put up the announced US broadcasting schedule in my user space at User:Vanisaac/curling. The results on that page get updated automatically when the main article does, so only go there if you actually need to know when matches are going to be broadcast. This information has been linked from the Reddit /r/Curling community, so there should be other eyes out there, but I figure more is usually better in these circumstances. Much thanks, everybody, and good curling. VanIsaacWS Vexcontribs 15:49, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Times listed for playoffs on the olympic curling page. Are they local or ? Please notate a time zone for these. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 05:28, 13 February 2014 (UTC)


Is it possible that we could remove the events column and just have the members of the teams and the corresponding years? Also I have been working on creating a team table for every single curler that has a Wikipedia page. Flame6264

Although I'm no fan on the biography boxes on the upper right side of most pages I appreciate their use for curling. I like how current team members are listed in the box while historical team lineups for important events are listed before the main body of the biography.--MorrisIV (talk) 17:48, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
Alright, thanks for your input. I have been making many team boxes for players and have just included the team players. Flame6264
Events columns are optional. However, I've noticed that your line up lists are missing years. It helps to use the "events" tab on the player's wct profile to see what teams they were on for seasons not included in the teams tabs. -- Earl Andrew - talk 22:53, 27 April 2014 (UTC)


Category:Bonspiels (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) has been nominated for merger to Category:Curling competitions -- (talk) 07:10, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

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Draft:Krysten Karwacki

Hello! Could someone please take a look at Draft:Krysten Karwacki and see if it meets the curling notability guidelines? --Cerebellum (talk) 13:07, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Yep, she qualifies based on at least two criteria (on a WCT team and played in the national junior championships). -- Earl Andrew - talk 16:08, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
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Hammer emoji

I just discovered that there is a hammer emoji: "🔨" which would be very useful if we ever have to stop using the   template. I don't know how visible they are on everyone's browsers though. -- Earl Andrew - talk 15:32, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Here's how it would look in a linescore:

Team 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Final
  British Columbia (Morris) 🔨 2 0 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 X 5
  Alberta (K. Koe) 0 3 0 0 3 0 3 0 1 X 10
It's not visible on my browser. But I wouldn't object if people felt strongly enough about switching hammer signs.--MorrisIV (talk) 17:40, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
What's the issue with the current icon? Not visible enough? Huntster (t @ c) 17:42, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
There's no issue, but since the template name is "X", someone in the future might take issue with it being ambiguous. -- Earl Andrew - talk 17:53, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
The template name is "Hammer". "X" redirects to it these days, so any naming issues should be simple to fix. Huntster (t @ c) 18:00, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Canadian Junior medals in medal tables

A while ago we decided against doing this, but some of our newer members have decided to start adding medals won at the the Canadian Juniors to the medal tables on curler articles. Should we change our policy? I'm personally against it, but if I'm the only one, then it might be a good idea to change the policy. -- Earl Andrew - talk 02:35, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Any thoughts on this? -- Earl Andrew - talk 19:41, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
I am generally speaking against the inclusion of medals won at junior national championships in Medals Boxes. The competitions I believe are notable for inclusion are only the Youth Olympic Games and Junior World Championships.--MorrisIV (talk) 01:05, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Turan Akalın?

Hi, I'm an editor at Project Tennis with a question about Turan Akalın. His bio appears to be all wrong in it's tennis aspect since the only Turan Akalın listed by the International Tennis Federation has never won a sanctioned event. So he is not notable for anything tennis. If it was only for tennis the article would be deleted, but I see he has curling in his background also. What I don't know is if he fits wikipedia curling notability requirements. If he does that's fine but it should be written with his curling attributes in the lead with a passing mention that he has also competed in tennis. I don't read Turkish so the sources don't help me out. Does anyone here know if he passes Project Curling muster? Thanks. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:05, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Looks like he meets WP:NCURLING point #2. Here is his WCF profile: -- Earl Andrew - talk 20:57, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
I figured someone would know here. Thanks. So the curling info in his article is accurate? If so I'll move it up top and fix his tennis info. Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:04, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

sponsors in titles


I'm just wondering the use of Ford in titles for World Championships when in Canada. I don't think that it should be in the title and have seen in other sports where the sponsor is avoided in the title like in Football League Cup. Why is it there and can I get a good reason why the title is mentioned? I don't see why a company should get preferential treatment here.Soopafred (talk) 17:24, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

What about KFC Twenty20 Big Bash in cricket? It can go both ways on Wikipedia. For some events, such as the Worlds, the sponsor is an integral part of the name. For example, it used to be called the Air Canada Silver Broom. Dropping Air Canada would just be Original Research in my opinion. Anyways, we've discussed this topic in depth several times. See Talk:Tim Hortons Brier -- Earl Andrew - talk 21:45, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
Though for things like the World Championships, the sponsor is only there when the even is in Canada. I think it shows a lot of homerism that way. If all World Championships had the sponsor put in the title, I wouldn't have a problem with it, but nobody would put Zen-noh world championship. That's the big discrepency. If sponsors were in each title for the World Championships, I wouldn't have a problem, but they aren't. Only when the event has a main sponsor present in Canada. And if you're telling met hat it's integral, why isn't it in every tournament? It's the same event, is it not? Soopafred (talk) 14:50, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
Please check the facts first Soopafred. No homerism if you look first. If you look back at the actual title of the championships you will find that you are wrong. Ford is featured directly in the logo for Canadian and American hosts of the men's, Capitol One (or Mount Titlis) is featured regularly in European hosted championships. I don't know why Zen-noh wasn't used in the title, or why the 2013 Latvian championships chose not to use the sponsor in the title, but it appears (from a sampling of 15 recent championships) to be one of the exceptions. Please look and you will see that the sponsor is usually an integral part of the title regardless of the host nation.18abruce (talk) 16:46, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
I Just think that it's harder to track down the year, because you need to know the sponsor which changes pretty much every year. Should it be mentioned in the title, I don't think so because I have to ask myself who was sponsoring a World Championship in year X to find where I can find it quickly. Oh wait in year X, a new sponsor makes it unfindable. It should be at the very least redirect to the sponsored title to make sense though. I think a redirect link is simple and why shouldn't it be used? Soopafred (talk) 02:49, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
I agree that there should be re-directs. I imagine that there are some already. -- Earl Andrew - talk 03:10, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
I agree. The re-directs will make it easier. - Coppercanuck (talk) 23:43, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

"Old-style" links to WCF curlers database page

Hello! Is it "a big problem" or not? (I think - yes)

I see that there is some (big? not?) number of articles about (Canadian; maybe for curlers from other countries? I didn't look...) curlers who plays (or played) on international level in WCF sanctioned events - and about such person link in article to WCF database wrote as: (right now exists in article about Emma Miskew)

But such link producing "404 error" (redirected to "404 page" on WCF results site - "Oops!.." and so on; to here -

Correct link must be as: (for Emma Miskew)

I.e. player ID (5928) is equal - but previous part of link is wrong...

Today I looked to "search page" ("People") on WCF results site ( "through" - when link system was change?

Answer: 1st "shot" of this page was made 30 March 2015 (look at ).

And after this date all "old-style" links will be incorrect :( and someone who want to look to WCF database about Emma using this "old" link - will get "Oooops!..." only (and no other "automatic help" - something like little conversion script on WCF site: if "old-style" link recieved from user - let's easy extract ID and add to end of "new-style" link sample). We, Wiki-editors, haven't urgent problem at this minute - but that someone (reader - man or woman, - for whom we're working) has...

I think you understand what I try to explain (with my "Siberian English" ;) )? I think that is a problem for (many?) "old" articles...

Alexey Gustow (talk) 01:19, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

We have a template ( {{worldcurling|####}} ) that we use on most pages that we can change every time the WCF restructures their site (the Player IDs normally stay the same). Emma's page lacks this template, which is why the link doesn't work. I'll fix it. -- Earl Andrew - talk 17:32, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
OK, Earl, thanks for explanation. I "raised the alarm" because when I translated number of pages about Canadian women curlers days/weeks ago I saw those "mistakes" on some of them. I know about "worldcurling" template. I translated it to Ru-Wiki (and "worldcurlingtour"/"worldcurl" too) days ago - good things. -- Alexey Gustow (talk) 20:28, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

"Red links" list created

Some days ago I created "red links" list for category:Curling (using very good "Missing Topics" tool). For today there is 16'740 "red links". This page is in my user space yet - maybe it must be a subpage of Project Curling? I think such page can be useful. Let's look here: User:Алексей Густов/Curling (red links). -- Alexey Gustow (talk) 16:21, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

This is very useful, thanks! -- Earl Andrew - talk 17:27, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
I enjoyed, Earl! :) Let's copypaste it (or created) to project subpage for our mutual "benefit". It's very useful for me in RU-project "Curling" (ru:Проект:Кёрлинг) - when I'm looking for "what really needed to create today for Ru-curling-Wiki?". Look at RU-"red links" page (ru:Проект:Кёрлинг/К созданию). Magnus Manske (author of "Missing Topics" tool) created beautiful thing!
P.S. But right now I haven't time for Wiki - I must go out of and watch today's draw of STOH on TSN. Haaaaard!!! :))-- Alexey Gustow (talk) 20:42, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Jennifer Gates' birth date

There is a discussion at Talk:Jennifer Gates about whether or not we should include her birthday in the article. This could have repercussions of other articles in WP:Curling as well. -- Earl Andrew - talk 17:55, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

1996 Canadian Junior Curling Championships put up for AfD

Hello, 1996 Canadian Junior Curling Championships has been put up for deletion. -- Earl Andrew - talk 14:21, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Curling hoaxes

I have deleted as hoaxes three very detailed pages from a fairly new editor, Jmac curling (talk · contribs):

I am 99.99% certain that this is another case of someone who just likes making up fantasy result tables, because there is absolutely no confirmation to be found online, and the tables and teams bear no relation to what I read in 2016 World Men's Curling Championship. (Jmac's list of teams is much more comprehensive, with entries from Ethiopia, Madagascar and Haiti among others. In his 2016 final, Turkey beat Finland.)

I am writing here for two reasons:

  • in case the 0.01% chance has come up and these things are real, in which case I will apologise to Jmac curling, but will not restore the pages unless a reliable, published source is produced for verification;
  • because Jmac curling has also been editing existing pages like 2015–16 curling statistics and somebody who knows the subject should check what he has been up to there.

Regards, JohnCD (talk) 22:20, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

JohnCD (talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmac curling (talkcontribs) 20:54, 21 July 2016 (UTC) I do not appreciate that you think I made this stuff up this event has been a event since 2001 when it was started. The only reason these pages were made was it was upon request by the teams who have played in the tournaments that they would like the results online. Which I was hired to do (as a volenteer(not paid)). I spent hours and hours of work on these and would appreciate it if you could restore. In relation to the 2016 World Men's Curling Championship teams must qualify from regions (2 from North America and South America, 2 From Asia and Australia and 8 from Europe) the teams that didnt make it to worlds participate in the Royal Jordan Curling Cup as well as coutries that qualified to worlds.

Thanks, [[User:Jmac_curling|Jmac_curling] —Preceding undated comment added 20:54, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Real or not, I've never heard of these events, so they're probably not notable, and therefore should be deleted. It sucks to spend hours and hours of time on an article, only to have it deleted, but we've all been there. Why don't you spend your time making constructive edits on actual notable curling events? There are so many notable events that need articles but don't have them, still. -- Earl Andrew - talk 14:28, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Three new categories added

I added three new categories: Category:US curling champions, Category:Russian curling champions and Category:Continental Cup of Curling participants. Enjoy! ;) -- Alexey Gustow (talk) 08:19, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

References to Youtube videos

Hi all !

One more idea (I hope it'll useful) by me. I already used it in some of my Ru-wiki curling related articles (for example, about 2012 Tim Hortons Brier or Ed Lukowich). Idea is: to make references (or points to "External links" if it's article about curler) to Youtube videos of full games (or other). Of course, video must be from "serious" source (for example, Youtube-channel "Curling Canada"). Look to "example" I done today (on English): here. What you can say about? -- Alexey Gustow (talk) 20:17, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Scotties Tournament of Hearts provincial qualifiers put up for deletion

See here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2017 Manitoba Scotties Tournament of Hearts -- Earl Andrew - talk 16:46, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Notability of curlers being reviewed

Hello, some input from the community is requested here: Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports)#Curling notability rules. -- Earl Andrew - talk 13:57, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

2017 Asian Winter Games

The 2017 Asian Winter Games curling competitions have started. It would be much appreciated if some of you could help update scores/standings. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 17:09, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

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Discussion at NSPORTS

Hello all. In an effort to finally resolve the never-ending and annoying GNG v SSG issue, I've proposed a revision of the NSPORTS introduction. You are all invited to take part in the discussion. Thank you. Jack | talk page 06:20, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Proposed page move

I am planning on moving Mixed curling article to Mixed doubles curling, since that is the entire content of the article. Given that there is no article on "Mens curling" or "Womens Curling", I don't think there is a need for a Mixed curling as an article. Please let me know if you have any concerns. meamemg (talk) 16:29, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Hmm, there is a distinct and older form of curling (four player) known as mixed curling, and articles that relate to that form might link to this article, so we'd have deal with that. Ideally, we'd have an article on both. -- Earl Andrew - talk 22:00, 21 January 2018 (UTC)


wondering if anyone knows why there were no tie-breakers in the Pacific-Asia championships, and none scheduled for the European championships.18abruce (talk) 16:51, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Hmm, I know they've been doing away with more than one tiebreaker at the international level, lately. (So if 3 teams are tied, one gets the short straw). Maybe they've done away with them altogether? -- Earl Andrew - talk 17:37, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
I just noticed that the new WCF rule book has erased the entire section on tie-breakers, be nice to have an explanation though.18abruce (talk) 18:26, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
They may have removed them altogether because of the addition of a third Asia-Pacific team at the Worlds. ETA: Just read the rules, and yes there will no longer be tiebreakers at WCF events. -- Earl Andrew - talk 20:53, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
Just noticed that, despite the rule book saying, "When teams are tied for a play-off position, team(s) shall be eliminated without playing an extra game, as tie-breaker games will not be played" there are tie-breakers in the schedule for the olympics. In fact that rule is listed directly before the olympic tournament rules so it is odd.18abruce (talk) 19:42, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
Well, the Olympics doesn't use the page playoff system either; it's a whole different kettle of fish. -- Earl Andrew - talk 19:58, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
None of the current WCF championships use the page playoff system anymore either, but it is still in the rules. The thing about the tie-breakers is that the rules specify that they are not to be used in any of the WCF tournaments, which includes the olympics. Yet they are scheduled. We will see I guess.18abruce (talk) 20:11, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
I didn't know they got rid of the page playoffs! Wow... -- Earl Andrew - talk 20:51, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
I think the no tiebreakers change was made after the schedule and rules for the olympics was set. So I think this olympics will be the last WCF tournament with a tiebreaker. meamemg (talk) 22:13, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

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Missing data for 2007 Pacific Curling Championships

I just noticed that in the 2007 PCC article, the scorecard for China vs New Zealand in the Men's competition is incomplete. I attempted to rectify this, only to find that the World Curling results database has the same issue. I understand that this data is reasonably expected to be missing and forever lost for fairly old events, but in an international championship from just a decade ago (especially one in which every other match has full data available!), it seems unlikely that in this one specific match no-one remembered to write down the score. Does anyone have info on why this might be missing and whether or not it might be plausible to dig up? SellymeTalk 04:11, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Cathy Overton-Clapham

I'm new to editing on Wikipedia, but I noticed that the page for Cathy Overton-Clapham doesn't really have much info past 2013. Potentially something to work on? Allthegoldmedals (talk) 15:47, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Oh yes, you'll notice we have a lot of curlers who need some major updates on their articles. -- Earl Andrew - talk 16:19, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

World Curling Tour

The list of events for the World Curling Tour needs major updates (haven't been updated in years). Just finished updating the women's events for the 2018-2019 season. Does anyone want to work on updating the men's events? Also, should we add the mixed doubles tour? Allthegoldmedals (talk) 14:58, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

We should definitely add the mixed events. Feel free to update the men's event.s -- Earl Andrew - talk 16:24, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
Done and done! Allthegoldmedals (talk) 19:09, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Article quality/importance

I know there have been discussions about this in the past, but I'm not really sure what the guidelines around quality/importance ratings are, or who can change them and when, but I'm pretty sure there are many curling articles out there that have had many changes made to them since the last time the quality/importance ratings were updated and should probably have a different rating (e.g. the article on Kaitlyn Lawes is currently rated start-class). If anyone who knows a bit more about this could offer some input I think the whole WikiProject could benefit. Allthegoldmedals (talk) 14:54, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

New template "PACC" created

New template "{{PACC}}" created (with documentation subpage, check English on it) - it produces a link to article about Pacific-Asia Curling Championship (if 1st parameter - "year" - exists and less than 2010, link to Pacific Curling Championship; you don't need remember about "-Asia"). Used in article "Ian Palangio". Enjoy! -- Alexey Gustow (talk) 06:21, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

New template "EuCC" created

New template "{{EuCC}}" created (with documentation subpage, check English on it) - it produces a link to article about <any year> European Curling Championships. Used in article "Zsolt Kiss (curler)". Enjoy! -- Alexey Gustow (talk) 08:45, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Grand Slam Record Tables

I noticed that, in the tables for Grand Slam records (in skips' articles), some results have links to the corresponding Slam and others do not. (Example from John Epping's Elite 10 results shown below, where "QF" for 2015-16 and 2017-18 have links, but not "Q" and "SF" in the others) Is this random, and is there a guideline for whether or not there should be a link?

Event 2014–15 2015–16 2016–17 2017–18 2018–19
Elite 10 Q QF Q QF SF
As far as I've been able to tell it's random; I always try to add the links whenever I update those tables, but it would seem they are often left out. Maybe just whenever updating curlers' tables we can try to add links where missing, unless there is some actual guideline I'm missing. UmpireRay (talk) 15:30, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
Alright, I guess since that would be useful information, I'll try to add in the links. Allthegoldmedals (talk) 16:45, 10 November 2018 (UTC) (Sorry, I forgot to sign the original message)
Mostly laziness on my part. Ideally there'd be links on all of them. -- Earl Andrew - talk 19:03, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
Ok, I'm working on adding links to a lot of them. For former skips who are still active on the Grand Slam tour (e.g. Mike McEwen, Val Sweeting, Cathy Overton-Clapham), should the Grand Slam tables still be updated? I noticed that some are but some aren't. Allthegoldmedals (talk) 21:00, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
Yes they should. -- Earl Andrew - talk 23:50, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Table "Teams and events"

Is this table useful? In player's articles in section "Teams and events" table with "whole curler carrier - from schoolteams to seniors": seasons, line-ups (coaches too! they worked hard too), events (include national champs/cups/trials), places. For example look at "Zsolt Kiss (curler)" or "Lee Merklinger".

By the way - same question about table "Record as a coach of national teams" in coach's articles (for example look at "Daniel Rafael"). Coaches are people too! ;-) -- Alexey Gustow (talk) 09:47, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

(table below - "Elite 10" etc. - is from previous theme about Grand Slam, not mine) -- Alexey Gustow (talk) 09:49, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

"Unreferenced article"??

Please, anybody say to "Boleyn" about "links to WCF and WCT databases are sources about curlers and curling events!" Look at here. It's clear "vandalism" I mean. I'll do nothing in Eng-curling-Wiki if it will be decided as "correct action of correct Wiki-editor" - because for what to waste my power and time to "zero result"?? -- Alexey Gustow (talk) 13:20, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Boleyn wants you to add more references that aren't just from the WCF and WCT databases. Technically articles on living persons need to have a few references from proper reliable sources that aren't just from databases. I've noticed that Bolenyn has been monitoring your edits quite closely (and I think s/he has crossed a line in the past to the point of bullying, to be honest), so you might not be able to escape his/her watchful eye without going through a formal complaint process. In the meantime, I recommend doing more research on your new articles so they have more information than just a list of teammates. For example, look at the additional reference I added to the article on Lee Merklinger, and how I expanded the lede a bit. -- Earl Andrew - talk 16:41, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Canadian Junior Medals...

I believe this topic has been discussed many times in the past, but just to clarify (hopefully for once and for all), are national junior medals supposed to be included in curler infoboxes? Many curlers have them (Kaitlyn Lawes, Shannon Birchard, Selena Njegovan, Jocelyn Peterman, the list goes on), but many others do not, and there is quite an inconsistency there. I am also planning to create an article for Jenna Loder, so I was wondering if Canadian junior medals should be included or not. Thanks! Allthegoldmedals (talk) 23:58, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Our current policy is they shouldn't be in the infoboxes (see Wikipedia:WikiProject Curling/Article Guidelines#Medals Tables). If enough people support adding them in though, we can always change the guidelines. I'd be opposed though. -- Earl Andrew - talk 03:34, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
Ok, I won't add them in, then. I don't really have an opinion either way, but if no one else weighs in, should they be removed from the articles that already have them? Allthegoldmedals (talk) 12:54, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
Go ahead. I had been removing them, but some editors kept putting them back, and I didn't want to start an edit war over something so trivial. -- Earl Andrew - talk 16:16, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
I see no reason why they should not be included in the infoboxes. In the curling world of Canada the junior championships bear enough notability for coverage in most of the major local and national media as well as with national sports broadcasters. I would vote for include and amend in Wikipedia:WikiProject Curling/Article Guidelines#Medals Tables. 17:14, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
In fact if you look at it closer it does not make any sense based on what the article guidelines are. The Canada Winter Games is included but includes inferior competitive curlers and also includes the Arctic Winter Games but not junior national championships? Bizarre. Both the Canada Winter Games and Arctic Winter Games are primarily junior competitions but again feature inferior competition. These events feature little to no coverage by local or national media or sports broadcasters.
The biggest beef of all I have is the Canadian Olympic Trials. This has no business being in the infobox in my opinion. Particularly because it is placed under the provincial medal list. It makes no actual sense why this is included as a provincial medal as these competitors are not competing in an interprovincial competition. This is a national competition. While this is a particularly noteworthy competition every four years it has no bearing on a provincial or national medal. These should rather be included in a list of results or notable wins, but these medals are not awarded to "Ontario", "Manitoba", "Newfoundland and Labrador", or any other province or territory for that matter.
One other problem with the infoboxes and one that has been ongoing is what to do with all the infoboxes in the wakes of all the changes to the national competitions. Some curlers have had their infoboxes that show medals with them as competitors for "Canada", "Province", and even "Wildcard". It can get very messy on some profiles, it seems as though this has been discussed before or others have been working to streamline it to the single province, which in my opinion makes sense. It is still a big question as to what the meaning of these national competitions are even more. Are the a competition between provinces or the best qualified teams. Anyway, that's my airing of grievances for now. Krazytea(talk) 18:00, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
I do agree that the Canadian junior championships are definitely more notable than the Canada Winter Games and Arctic Winter Games. I guess I will leave things as is until a resolution is reached. The point you make about the Canadian Olympic Trials is also one that I have thought about quite a bit. I do think that the trials are pretty important and therefore should have a spot in the infobox, but maybe in a section more like the current sections for Olympic appearances, Worlds appearances, Grand Slam victories, etc? Allthegoldmedals (talk) 18:16, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
Ya I would agree with including the Trials as you discuss, plus I would add a section like the Grand Slam results and put Olympic Trials results in there. Perhaps even include a section for National and World championships there, again in a results section like the Grand Slams. Figure skating and gymnastic pages do something similar for BLPs. Krazytea(talk) 18:19, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
Ok, if enough people agree we could make a new infobox parameter for the Trials. About the section for the results (I assume you mean like the Grand Slam record tables), the only thing is that the Trials only happen every 4 years, so there wouldn't be a lot of data in those tables. It would take a lot of work to update a lot of articles if we also did a section for National and World championships, so I'm not sure if it's worth the effort, especially since we already include medals and number of appearances in the infoboxes. I'm not against the idea, but I'm not sure if it would be worth our time for the number of people participating in this WikiProject. Guess it's time to wait for a few more people to give their opinions and see what happens from there. Allthegoldmedals (talk) 18:45, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
I think the general idea behind the medals list in the infobox was "does this event hand out medals", which for the Arctic Winter Games, and Canada Games is a definite "yes", and I believe the Olympic Trials do as well. Historically, I don't think the Canadian Juniors have given out medals, but I believe they do now (this is not something I'm 100% sure on, though). Personally, I don't think think adding a table for Olympic Trials participation is necessary, but might be interesting to have in a career statistics table like I've done for Rachel Homan. -- Earl Andrew - talk 19:13, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
That makes a lot more sense now. It looks like they've given out gold medals for a while at least (as seen in 2018 and 2009) but I haven't really found anything about silver and bronze medals or any medals from much before then. The career statistics table is a good idea, and provides a lot of information about those who have them. With a bit of work we could add them to more curlers' pages, it might be more difficult for older events, but if they're notable enough there should be information out there that we could use. Allthegoldmedals (talk) 19:39, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
There is also the slippery slope issue of adding medals for the Canadian Mixed, Seniors, Mixed Doubles as well in the medal tables, and then for the Junior championships for other countries. As it stands, it's hard enough to find sources for the national championships of other countries for the infobox medals. -- Earl Andrew - talk 20:02, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
Fair enough. I suppose the career statistics tables should work for now, if we start to add them. Allthegoldmedals (talk) 20:29, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
I agree a slippery slope but I would still add the junior medals. I also think a results table as in Rachel Homan is fine for Trials results and then I would put Olympic appearances or Trials results further up in infobox. Krazytea(talk) 21:52, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
I suppose we have no resolution, so I can help make career statistics tables for more curlers. Should those be for all curlers, or skips only? For that matter, are Grand Slam record tables supposed to be for skips only? I've mostly only seen them on skips and former skips' articles, but occasionally they are on non-skips' pages (for example, Liz Fyfe). Allthegoldmedals (talk) 01:01, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

They can be for any and all players (theoretically), but I've only ever added them for skips. -- Earl Andrew - talk 04:26, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Standings in double/triple knockout

How do you determine a definitive standings rank in a double or triple-knockout competition? I'm starting to make a career statistics table for Casey Scheidegger, and one of the pieces of information in the table is the ranking from an event, but the Alberta Scotties is triple-knockout, and most years of the competition (e.g. 2013) don't have a standings table. Thanks! Allthegoldmedals (talk) 23:17, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

I don't think you can. If there isn't official standings it would be WP:OR to invent them ourselves. meamemg (talk) 23:24, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
That makes sense. Should we use DNQ instead (which is what WCT uses) or put a dash to symbolize no official information given? Allthegoldmedals (talk) 23:28, 27 February 2019 (UTC)


Is this project maintaining or working on Portal:Curling? If not, it should be deleted as it is classed as unfinished. Legacypac (talk) 23:52, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

The postal was created without consulting this project. -- Earl Andrew - talk 12:14, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

A new newsletter directory is out!

A new Newsletter directory has been created to replace the old, out-of-date one. If your WikiProject and its taskforces have newsletters (even inactive ones), or if you know of a missing newsletter (including from sister projects like WikiSpecies), please include it in the directory! The template can be a bit tricky, so if you need help, just post the newsletter on the template's talk page and someone will add it for you.

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Template WJCC created

Template {{WJCC}} creates a link to article about World Junior Curling Championships (similar template as {{WMCC}}, {{WWCC}}, {{EuCC}}, {{PACC}}, {{STOH}}, {{Brier}}). Use if you like. -- Alexey Gustow (talk) 02:30, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Template "Finland-curling-bio-stub" created

Hi! Template {{Finland-curling-bio-stub}} created. Enjoy! -- Alexey Gustow (talk) 04:12, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

We have 1500+ articles about curlers

Today we all riched to 1501 a number of articles in category Category:Curlers by nationality and it's subcategories. "Anniversary" article is Eszter Juhász. If you want, look to my subpage with "red links list" generated manually by MissingTopics tool, here: User:Алексей Густов/Curlers by nationality (red links).
For today:

  • Last rebuilding date: July 31, 2019
  • Articles checking: 1501
  • Red links found: 3642

Congrats all! Good game! :) -- Alexey Gustow (talk) 22:35, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

Hurrah! -- Earl Andrew - talk 22:36, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

"Curling ice makers" (icemakers) or "Curling ice technicians" category

Hello all! Maybe one of us will create a category "Curling ice makers" (icemakers) or "Curling ice technicians"? They are very important persons in curling "business" - not less important than curlers or coaches or managers. (for example Hans Wuthrich (icemaker)) Add this category somewhere in Category:People in sports (or Category:Sports equipment makers?) and Category:Curling of course. What you say? -- Alexey Gustow (talk) 22:30, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I think a new category is warranted. "Ice maker" is the common vernacular term, though ice technician is probably more official. Whoever creates it should make sure to add it to Shorty Jenkins' article as well. -- Earl Andrew - talk 01:28, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
I would support whatever term the WCF uses when the Chief Ice Maker/Technician is introduced in the world feed. This usually occurs during the Medal matches of the major competitions--MorrisIV (talk) 11:06, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
Can you create it? Or what "parents" categories it may have? -- Alexey Gustow (talk) 03:30, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

I made it right now - do you want to change something? It's here: Category:Curling ice makers . And I added to it Shorty Jenkins and Hans Wuthrich (icemaker) for beginning (what people to add else?). -- Alexey Gustow (talk) 07:54, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, I added a few. On that note, Dave Merklinger and Jamie Bourassa are probably notable enough to get articles if anyone wants to write them.-- Earl Andrew - talk 14:31, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Group "Curling on English Wikipedia" on Facebook

Today I created group "Curling on English Wikipedia" on Facebook to inform all who interested it about new articles about curling in Eng-Wiki (what bot daily shown in User:AlexNewArtBot/CurlingSearchResult). Group is here. -- Alexey Gustow (talk) 17:49, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, Alexey! I've joined. I've been meaning to start a Twitter account too, perhaps to be used to ask curlers questions/get clarification on things, or to ask questions of the broader community. Would anyone be interested in that? -- Earl Andrew - talk 17:58, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
OK let's play together with Peja and others :) About Twitter - it's good idea, maybe someone from Tw will add his efforts to this Wiki-project. -- Alexey Gustow (talk) 11:58, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

All European champions now exists

All European champions (men's and women's) (not mixed yet) now exists. The last article is Katarina Hultling. -- Alexey Gustow (talk) 08:32, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

New template "WSCC" created

New template {{WSCC}} created - for links to World Senior Curling Championships. Parameters: 1st - year (optional), 2nd - any text (optional). Example look at article "Birgitta Törn". -- Alexey Gustow (talk) 12:28, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Notability - Curling World Cup

Is any curler who has participated in the Curling World Cup presumed notable? Or only if they have won? Allthegoldmedals (talk) 15:11, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

The guidelines were instituted before this tournament existed, so not sure (if I were to re-write the criteria, I would lean toward 'yes', but considering the top prize was less than a Grand Slam, this could be debated). It did count as a WCT event, so the winners are notable. Are there any curlers who played in it that wouldn't be notable for some other reason? -- Earl Andrew - talk 16:12, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
I've looked into some of the curlers from the Curling World Cup, and it seems that some (mixed doubles mostly, but also some from 4-person teams) aren't notable under the current criteria. Examples include Yu Jiaxin, Wang Xiangkun, Malin Wendel, Fabian Wingfors, Cao Chang, Yuan Mingjie, and Zhi Ling. I'm sure there's more, but these are just a few that I found. I'm not sure whether I'd agree that they would all necessarily be notable, since many of them have really only participated in the Curling World Cup (and some in world juniors without medalling or on tour without winning events) and thus haven't received much media coverage. It was a fairly large international event, though. Allthegoldmedals (talk) 17:58, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
Fair enough. I'd probably avoid creating articles on them for now. -- Earl Andrew - talk 18:22, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
Makes sense. Should they still stay redlinked, though? Allthegoldmedals (talk) 18:37, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
If someone isn't notable, they shouldn't have a redlink. Of course, if they do have a redlink, it makes things a lot easier when they do become notable, but strictly speaking we shouldn't be doing it. -- Earl Andrew - talk 18:42, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Request for information on WP1.0 web tool

Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.

We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at this Google form where you can leave your response. Walkerma (talk) 04:24, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Template WMDCC created

Now template {{WMDCC}} created - for links to article about any World Mixed Doubles Curling Championship. Example look at Iveta Staša-Šaršūne. Enjoy! -- Alexey Gustow (talk) 23:47, 20 November 2019 (UTC)