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FL removal discussion

I have nominated List of Indian Premier League seasons and results for featured list removal. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare to "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:48, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Men's cricket

(I don't know if this has been brought up before too; I'm sorry if it has and I'm just repeating)

I think it is about time we start using the term "men's" in certain article titles and prose text similar to how "women's" is used currently. I propose this to cover mainly series/tournament articles (e.g. Australia men's cricket team in England in YEAR) and stats articles (e.g. List of men's Twenty20 International records). There has been a trend recently to use more gender-neutral terminology in certain parts of cricket-related articles (like maiden century/five-for stat mentions in match summaries, usage of terms like "ODI" over "WODI" in series articles et cetera), and a progression from that to a slight addition in the main article titles/headings might be a welcome change. ICC and a number of leading cricket boards already mention either gender when applicable in their articles and other releases; articles about sports like field hockey and basketball in English Wikipedia have also been doing something similar for some time, and I feel like cricket can start going in that direction too. I'll be glad to know what others think about this. Thank you.

Pinging @Bs1jac, @Cric editor, @Godknowme1 মাশ্‌ফী※Mashfi (ETP) 18:55, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

I certainly think things like List of Twenty20 International records, and the lists of umpires and grounds in each format should have "men's" in the title. Also team pages (e.g. Australia national cricket team) should have "men's" in the title.

I am not so sure about tournaments or series. Probably should treat men's and women's the same way though. Bs1jac (talk) 19:35, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

I too agree about the "men's" to be appended to the national teams' titles. And about tournaments I guess we can make changes based on what ICC calls them, since the 2023 edition the Cricket World Cup too has gender specification in its title. Cric editor (talk) 02:54, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Generally, the men's team are the primary topic, which is why we have e.g. England cricket team not England men's cricket team. And this is also the case with most men's cricket series- they continue to get way more coverage in general than women's series. Adding men's violates WP:CONCISE and looks to be an attempt to WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:15, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Generally but it cannot be assumed to be true by default. The Thai women's team gets a lot more coverage than their men's one, but we still have Thailand national cricket team and Thailand women's national cricket team.

Certainly agree that national team's titles should be separated, tournament names should follow ICC naming for each event. CarnivalSorts (talk) 15:40, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Denonyms vs nations

Similar to the Mashfi23's query about adding "men's" to certain article titles, I have another thing that I would like to be considered. Why do we use denonyms for men's bilateral tours, but the nation for women's tours. e.g., England women's cricket team in India in 2023–24 and English cricket team in India in 2023–24. As well as the potential to add "men's" to the title, I feel we should be consistent and start saying "England (men's?) cricket team in VENUE in YEAR".

It is of course refering to THE England/Australia/India etc (men's) national team rather than AN English/Australian/Indian team. Plus we don't use the denonym for certain teams as it is (e.g., New Zealand) Bs1jac (talk) 19:52, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

The usage of demonyms is arguable, we use these demonyms only in the case of men's tours and we use the other way you mentioned for women's tours. I think there should be uniformity among these type of articles, it should be either demonyms across both or neither. Cric editor (talk) 02:59, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Since we use only the nation name when used with the gender term (women's), we can very well look to use the term for men too and stop using demonyms in those titles to go along with Bs1jac's preference. মাশ্‌ফী※Mashfi (ETP) 07:03, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

We should be consistent with country or denonyms (although New Zealand is mostly used as a denonym on Wiki anyway), my personal preference would be the country so England cricket team in India in 2023–24. I'm sure I raised this issue years ago, and we didn't do anything about it. But we should treat this issue separately to the men's or no men's in names above, otherwise we'll end up conflating the 2, and probably nothing will get consensus. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:17, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I agree with all that. Separate issues. So to clarify, I too feel that England cricket team in India in 2023–24 would be my preferred title for such articles. Bs1jac (talk) 23:52, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Mashfi23, User talk:Joseph2302. Bringing this up again as it seems that Citation bot has done the opposite and changed a few women's tours to use the denonym. Can't see any discussion on this and I thought we were leaning towards changing mean's tours to use the nation, rather that women's tours to use the denonym. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bs1jac (talk • contribs) 21:49, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Did someone direct the bot to do it? I see that you've changed some of the titles back, thanks for that– we better decide something soon though মাশ্‌ফী※Mashfi (ETP) 08:43, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Frederick Capron

Hi, wondering if anyone has more sources on Frederick Capron - the notability claim is that he played 2 first class games for the MCC but in a period before "first class" as a term was officially used. Thanks. JMWt (talk) 11:09, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Scottish Super 10

Hi. A new T10 league has been launched by Cricket Scotland. Here's some coverage about the tournament, with the inaugural season in August 2024. Since it is not a league with T20 status, I'm just asking the WP:CRIC members whether the sources contribute towards WP:GNG or not. Can it be created as an article? I've created it as a redirect page for now and will decide if content can be added based on the opinions of cricket editors. Thanks. Robo^Cric Let's chat 15:27, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

This project shouldn't be an indiscriminate collection of hit-and-giggle competitions from all over the world. Keep it encyclopedic and based on the ICC definition of official cricket, otherwise we just devalue our overall content. AA (talk) 16:18, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

WP:TOOSOON to tell whether WP:GNG will be met. There have been countless planned events like this that have never actually happened (e.g. Euro T20 Slam that was supposed to start over 4 years ago). As such, I'd say wait until at least August. _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 20:01, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

FLC

I have nominated Ireland women's cricket team record by opponent for featured list. I think, it is one of the topics of interest of Cricket Project. Please join the discussion on whether this article should be promoted or not. Thanks. Robo^Cric Let's chat 16:06, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Please see my comments :) AA (talk) 11:55, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your participation AA Robo^Cric Let's chat 11:57, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

AFD

Hi. Even after 2 relists, this AFD is lacking participation. While I am confident that it deserves to be deleted, but it can't be closed as soft deletion is ineligible now. So, I invite the editors of this project to join the discussion. Thanks. Robo^Cric Let's chat 14:27, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

You're WP:canvassing for delete votes. In future you should ask for participation but leave out the bit about you being confident its a delete. Desertarun (talk) 15:08, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

I didn't want to canvass, it is a proper notice. I'm sorry but I had no intention for canvassing. Just, I wanted to explain that soft deletion was not eligible even though there have been one participant in the AFD. So, I wanted to seek attention of editors to participate in the discussion. I'm happy to remove that part and rely on the neutrality. Thanks. Robo^Cric Let's chat 15:27, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Most of us have inadvertently canvassed at some point. In such a low participation discussion like this nobody will much care, but in a more animated debate people will get annoyed for sure. Desertarun (talk) 15:36, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Jos Buttler

Jos Buttler has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:39, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Teddy Wynyard

I have substantially expanded this article and wouldn't mind getting it to FA, particularly as he is a Test cricketer. If anyone would be kind enough to review it and make suggestions, it would be much appreciated. Or, if anyone has any further sources I have overlooked which might add to it, that would also be appreciated :) AA (talk) 12:18, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

I've only had time to take my most cursory look at it. It looks good, but I did find one typo to fix. JH (talk page) 17:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Cheers! Thanks for fixing the typo!!! I'd like to find out a bit more about his dispute with Ranji ideally, only have so far that it stemmed from a bunch of grapes! AA (talk) 08:30, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

This is interesting as your source, Simon Sweetman, says: "Wynyard was featured in a caricature in Vanity Fair in 1898, with the caption to his caricature alluding to his reputed short and sometimes violent temper, whilst also mentioning his dispute with Ranjitsinhji, which had begun when Ranjitsinhji helped himself to some of Wynyard's grapes". In Simon Wilde's Ranji (1999), page 86, he writes: "It is revealing that that a profile of him (Ranji) in Vanity Fair in August 1897 referred to him having a 'violent temper' and to a well-publicised argument he had had recently with Teddy Wynyard, the Hampshire captain, after helping himself to some of Wynyard's grapes".

I would be inclined to accept the Wilde version here, especially as he is exact about the month of the issue. Wilde's context is the financial pressure on Ranji in 1897 when he was close to bankruptcy, and he goes on to say how Ranji was noted for his impatience — he had a reputation "for not suffering fools gladly".

Wilde mentions Wynyard again on page 249 in a list of Ranji's highest partnerships. Ranji and Wynyard opened the innings for MCC v CUCC at Lord's in 1904, and put on 237 in 140 minutes. Batagur baska (talk) 10:24, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Also, I have found a piece in Harry Altham's history which may be useful. Writing about Hampshire teams during 1900–1914, Altham on page 268 says: "In R. M. Poore and E. G. Wynyard, when service duties allowed them to play, (Hampshire) had two batsmen of unmistakable stature; Wynyard, a versatile athlete who had played in the Old Carthusian side that won the FA Cup in 1886, was a resolute and adventurous stroke-player good enough to be chosen for England in the Oval Test of 1896". I'll see if I can spot more references when I have time, but I'm afraid my books are somewhat scattered right now! Batagur baska (talk) 10:36, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Infobox help

Wondering if anyone might know how to get both the rugby union and cricket infoboxes to be embedded in the infobox for George Hamilton D'Oyly Lyon. I have all the info already in there, just no clue why it won't embed them :( AA (talk) 23:04, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi, AA. I saw this and I have tried to help. The difficulty is the military infobox only allowing a single use of the module parameter (module1, module2, etc. are invalid). I have nested rugby inside cricket and cricket inside military. There is one remaining anomaly in that "cricket information" isn't highlighted, so it looks as if some enhancements are needed in the military to improve its handling of modules. Could you please check that the information in the whole panel is still okay? Thanks. Batagur baska (talk) 09:49, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Cheers, it's a very annoying infobox the MILHIST one, for such an efficient and excellent Wikiproject! It all looks okay to me :) AA (talk) 21:39, 22 April 2024 (UTC)