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People of FooEdit

Should Wikipedia:Category names § Occupation refer to "People from Foo" instead of "People of Foo", for consistency with the remainder of that paragraph (e.g. "People from Georgia...", "Fooers from Boo")?

(See also my comment in categorisation discussion that "X of Y" are not automatically "X from Y".)

Mitch Ames (talk) 03:48, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Disambiguators in category namesEdit

Page watchers may be interested in Wikipedia talk:Categories for discussion § RFC on including disambiguators in category names. Izno (talk) 15:08, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

For the record, this was never formally closed, and is now archived at Wikipedia talk:Categories for discussion/Archive 18#RFC on including disambiguators in category names. It clearly leant towards using a disambiguator in category names if it is used in the name of the main article on the topic, and this specifically includes "(franchise)" or "(series)".
However, there was a strong consensus at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 September 28#Art of mythology against using disambiguators in category names for the subject of works of art or architecture. E.g. Category:Paintings of Venus was kept, rather than following Venus (mythology), even though the parent category is Category:Venus (mythology).
Disambiguators for the names of writers should follow the article on the writer. However, categories for paintings use the usual name used when stating the artist, and need not follow the name of the article on the artist. See Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 September 28#Various author and painter categories. – Fayenatic London 18:26, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Visual artsEdit

@Johnbod:: in 2009 you changed [1]

Subcategories of these categories are named "Type of work"/"Works" by [artist]".

to

Subcategories of these categories are named [Artist] "Type of work/"Works", with exceptions for artists with articles on more than one type of work.

stating "The current convention". That may have been true then, but it is no longer being applied now in either Category:Paintings by artist or Category:Sculptures by artist, so can we revert the above change?

I think the rider about exceptions may have been intended to refer to using the word "works" or a more specific type such as "paintings". If any such wording is still needed, can we be more specific?

As for Category:Portraits by artist, usage is split between the two above conventions "[Artist] portraits" and "Portraits by [Artist]". Would you foresee any objections to a bulk nomination to rename using the latter format? – Fayenatic London 22:19, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

On the first, I've made a change - how is that? On the second, yes, quite possibly. Johnbod (talk) 01:19, 1 December 2020 (UTC)
On the first, that will do, thank you Johnbod.
On the second, thanks Aza24 for Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 November 30#Artist portraits. – Fayenatic London 22:14, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

I have now added guidelines at the end of the page, on name of the artist (disambiguation or not) and name of the subject, amalgamating the conclusions of various discussions at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 September 28. – Fayenatic London 22:17, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Looks good, thanks, Johnbod (talk) 22:22, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Heritage and residence by city or regionEdit

Over the years, we've deleted a fair number of categories about people by city or region; many/most of them have been decent and migrant categories. Most recently:

Under Heritage:

  • Categories that intersect heritage with occupation, residence, or other such categories should only be created where that combination is itself recognized as a distinct and unique cultural topic in its own right, .... These categories should not be created without a substantial and encyclopedic well sourced head article describing the contents (not just a list). Such categories should be treated....
  • Heritage categories (such as decent or diaspora) should not also contain any individual migrant, emigrant, nor immigrant; instead, that person should be diffused to an appropriate subcategory.
  • Heritage categories should not be created by former city or region.
  • The heritage of grandparents is never defining and rarely notable.

Under Residence:

  • The residence of parents and relatives is never defining and rarely notable.

William Allen Simpson (talk) 16:03, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

As raised in discussion, "BARian people of FOOian descent" is confusing because FOOian is used for nationality in the preceding Occupation section. Propose swapping to "FOOian people of BARian descent" to match, and adding "BARian people from Boo" to match countries with an established {{Fooers from Boo}}.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 13:35, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

  • I'd like to see an article to justify any categories about descent. Rathfelder (talk) 10:53, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
  • How about:
  • Such categories should not be created without a well sourced main article describing the contents.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 11:01, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
  • Such categories should not be created without a substantial and encyclopedic well sourced article describing the contents not just a list.

To clarify that lists are, by WP:OCEGRS specifically called out as insufficient, and drawing some of the narrowing language from that policy. The policy states in the subjunctive ("cannot be written"), but the onus is on the proponent of the category and recent activities have indicated that it is wise to put them to their proofs. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:45, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

  • @Rathfelder and Carlossuarez46: I've merged your stricter guidance under Heritage above, as it would be placed in the existing paragraph. Naming Conventions were once policy, but have since been downgraded to guidelines.
    William Allen Simpson (talk) 22:24, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Category:Israeli people by ethnic or national originEdit

Currently, the Heritage section specifies:

An exception to this format is the subcategories of Category:Israeli people by ethnic or national origin, which use "Israeli people of FOOian origin".

I'm unable to find discussion in the Talk archives. Currently, over a decade later, there are no subcategories matching this pattern.

Category talk:Israeli people by ethnic or national origin#Proposed guidelines references an archived discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Israel circa 2009, but does not mention "origin".

@Good Olfactory: could you please shed light? Should this exception be removed?
William Allen Simpson (talk) 13:25, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

I think the Israeli exception was just a reflection of what existed in the categorization scheme; acknowledging the exception wasn't meant to be an indication that the exception was a good idea. For Israeli categories, "origin" was chosen over "decent" in this 2010 CFD. In any case, it's moot now, because the Israeli categories were changed to "descent" in a 2012 CFD. Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:22, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
After almost 9 years, I'm surprised that folks forgot to remove the exception. Done.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 05:17, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
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